The monster rears its ugly head (again)

[zamarky1]

Hi all ya

Given the new version of clone dvd is out , and shrink is at 3.1.7b5.......

Which one ?. I am sure this is a question on a lot of minds. I am not experienced enough to answer this question and so i throw it over to the gurus.

Sure some of you are biased ( you know who you are !) but is it time to take a fresh look and an honest reappraisal ?

Do we want the best reproduction from whatever tool that gives us that or are we stuck with blinkers on and refuse to shift camps if there is a valid reason to do so ( from both sides of the fence)

I use both for now untill i have time to sit and study the big three method so i am neutral. I like them both, but if i am honest i like shrink better as it gives me more options to play around , but thats my nature and this is my hobby , so you can see where i sit on all this , but i wonder which tool is producing the bacon with the new releases.....


who wants to chime in ......i would ver y interestd in hearing from some of the big guys on this and from the rest of "us".


Regards

Mark

[mrbass]

whichever one works for you best.....closed

edit: reopened....please don't turn this into a 'what is best thread' but discuss the merits of each one.

[wildman]

never used clone dvd I do like dvdshrink because it is free and the author is very kind in offering every bit of support!

[brynolf]

DVD shrink:
+ Easy to use
+ Great transcoding engine
+ Deep analysis
+ Free!
+ CSS decryption
- Needs Nero to be able to burn your dvd
- Not possible to remove extras
- Not always good at analysing discs correctly

CloneDVD (sneak preview)
+ Easy to use
+ Greatly improved transcoder
+ Gives the same quality as shrink without deep analysis
+ Easy to remove unwanted extras while keeping menus
+ Integrated burning support
- No CSS decryption
- Cannot compress different items differently
- Does not work with DVD43 (that's what I've heard, don't know actually)
- Not free

[zamarky1]

Hi
i'm getting great milage out of both.

Shrink :

I simply love the way i can re-author so easily and get stunnng results. O.k i've only done about 6 backups so far but i do them carefully testing and comparing to the original. So far i find myself starting clone less and less.

I like playing around with trailers and shrink lets me do things very easily. The new intergration with Decrypter is great as well, for example last night i was up vry late (and responding to posts when tired....but lets not go there :-0 )and encoded a movie the wrong way. I set shrink to do it again and went to bed. Because i was all set up to burn afterwards everything was in place. When i got back this morning the disc was burnt by decrypter with the correct version of the encode on it. Nice . A little thing but the little things add up to the total sum of the big picture.

Then there are the other features of this program like varying the compression rate where you want it. Lets me play and play and tinker to my hearts content. Then their there is the shrink community. Great bunch of people with the same mindset. What more could you ask for.

The other thing is its a bit more hands on then clone and this is great for a soft landing into the big 3 land. Get to know the basics first then push off into more (much much more) complexity.


Clone:

Very very simple interface and ease of use. Great results , which at the end of the day is what its all about.

Has always worked without a glitch for me. The cost is reasonable for what it does and the quality it gives. Its just a little too simple for me. I like to tinker. But it has its places. When you dont have the time to play , its great to just knockout a quick backup for the weekend trip away.

The one thing it does that shrink does,nt is let me save the menu's if i want them. Myself , i prefer movie only with an assortment of trailers on the front (cartoons , music video cuts, animations, comedy clips.....i like to make my "own" mini productions)but i have found most people i lend my backups too prefer the menu style.

So two great tools that are easy to use. But i wonder about the technical aspects. The engines they use (respectively) and the types of footage that suits each engine better...ie when one will give a cleaner encode then the other ?.

i personelly would love to hear about these aspects from the more technically savvy (on all things shiny disc ;-) )among us here

Anyway my two cents at this point in my desire to be a "shiny disk jedi"


regards

mark

[krackato]

Whatever happened to Instant Copy? I still use it (although I don't burn that many discs lately). If I remember correctly, it gave better results than DVD Shrink which were especially noticible when you did a screenshot comparison.

[djan]

Originally posted by krackato
Whatever happened to Instant Copy? I still use it (although I don't burn that many discs lately). If I remember correctly, it gave better results than DVD Shrink which were especially noticible when you did a screenshot comparison. The same for me ! I prefer InstantCopy even if it's not free and it takes much more time (because its multi-pass). I keep using it.

[int 21h]

Originally posted by djan
...(because its multi-pass).

What evidence do you have for this? Last I heard IC was using a one pass encoding system with multiple compressions of each frame to pick out the best quality...

[djan]

I mean multi-pass analysing. It analyses 3 times each video.

[ron spencer]

How can Elby CloneDVD do the same quality as Shrink without Deep Analysis/Advanced Analysis?

[djan]

Originally posted by ron spencer
How can Elby CloneDVD do the same quality as Shrink without Deep Analysis/Advanced Analysis? Hi,

I think he wanted to say the same quality when DVD Shrink doesn't make Deep Analysis.

[sweetness]

This is my two cents:
Will we be talking about this when dual layer burners come out?
Right now I’m stuck in limbo. I want quality and speed, but what's the price($ and time) I have to pay?
Conclusion: stick with the free apps and save your money for a new burner.

[dragongodz]

"Will we be talking about this when dual layer burners come out?"
yes. doing ,ovie to avi on 1 or 2 cds is still talked about and done aswell so why wouldnt this ?
even when dual layered burners come out not everyone will be able to afford them. also media will be more expensive to start with. plus new software for burning will be needed etc etc etc. so simple new technology lag will mean single layered burners will still be the main for quite some time after the dual layered burners come out.

oh and you may see these software change to allow things like 2 dvds to 1 dual layered dvdr etc eventaully aswell. some already can combine titles etc.

[Gaia]

Originally posted by dragongodz
"Will we be talking about this when dual layer burners come out?"
yes. doing ,ovie to avi on 1 or 2 cds is still talked about and done aswell so why wouldnt this ?
even when dual layered burners come out not everyone will be able to afford them. also media will be more expensive to start with. plus new software for burning will be needed etc etc etc. so simple new technology lag will mean single layered burners will still be the main for quite some time after the dual layered burners come out.

oh and you may see these software change to allow things like 2 dvds to 1 dual layered dvdr etc eventaully aswell. some already can combine titles etc.

I thing dual layer burners are released too early. There are still lots of problems with quality of single layer media and burners too. I fear first dual layer burners and media are going to be crap. It's wise to wait sometime before bying.