ScenAid 0.9.0.5 released

[D3s7]

New Build on the website

This build has the following changes:
Fixed problems with VOBID Demux sub detection
Tweaked the 'sub' routines to improve detection/placement
Added the ability to right click on a tab and open the IFO for that VTS

As usual please post problems here

[jorel]

i never used your program before,
i'm new in dvd authoring...any faqs or manual?

double thanks !
:)

[jel]

@ jorel
not sure how much you know about the 'big 3' process, or using scenarist for that matter, but essentially Scenaid is used to generate a .scp Scenarist script file of your project to save you a lot of hassle manually reauthoring your project.
although only in its infancy it is already functioning incredibly well.
basically it will(purely speculation on my part) take the place of ReAuthorist in the chain of programs that comprise 'the big 3'.
so if you are following the guide (doom9) when you get to the part where you have to generate a script using RA, instead fire up Scenaid and browse to your DIF4U demux folder. Once it has finished analyzing, generate a script and you are done ;)
@ everyone else.
finding nemo, r4 pal .... a success story!
i was having a lot of issues backing-up nemo using the adjusted cell mode method - subs and audio out of sync, so i decided to demux by vobid and reauthor ..... 56 vobids .... 36 pgcs ... not a lot of fun.
so used the latest build of Scenaid and .....
whoooooo hooooooo!
worked perfectly.
all i had to do was replace the dts and non-cce placeholders with data, compile and perfect back-up!
:D :D :D :D :D
the only thing i should warn users is that it took a while for Scenaid to process/analyse the files ... approximately 35 minutes, so please be patient when using it on complex projects.
it is DEFINITELY worth it!

thanks D3s7, keep up the good work!
j

[influenza]

the only thing i should warn users is that it took a while for Scenaid to process/analyse the files ... approximately 35 minutes, so please be patient when using it on complex projects.

wow that's a long time. On my machine it usually takes anywhere between 10 and 20 secs. I must have quite simple projects :D

[jorel]

Originally posted by jel
@ jorel
not sure how much you know about the 'big 3' process, or using scenarist for that matter, ...

j

be sure!
i don't know nothing!
:p

and have tons to read!
:)

[Eyes`Only]

35 minutes??! Can't wait for the conversion to C++

[D3s7]

Ok guys... found a slight bug for PAL people that .5 won't quite find no-cce files properly unless they are renamed from .m2v to .mpv

also there was a slight issue with sub detection if it finds the forced sub file first

Both have been resolved and I'm waiting for feedback before releasing another build


jel : if you can send me your .log file please... I'd like to see if there's something in there to clue me in on the slow process

I'm going to rip finding nemo tonight and see what it does for me

[Eyes`Only]

Just wanted to say I think the users are appreciating the fast fixes and quick releases of issues that are fixing their problems. I know I am! :D

[D3s7]

<Blushes>

[nicolati]

Hi. It's the first time for me here.:p I tried with your new releases, but it doesn't work correctly. The 0.9.0.5 makes Scenarist crash. Only the version 0.9.0.3, that before gave errors with subtitles, now works fine; but I had to change my version of Scenarist to 3.0. The only problem is that SceneAid 0.9.0.3 generates the dummy files with 4:3 format instead the 16:9.
I'm a PAL user, an Italian user.
Bye.
nicolati

[shoarthing]

Hi - yes, am a 'PAL person' & no, scenaid [0902/03/04/05] hasn't yet worked on LOTR_Two_Towers - the 'standard' backup I try applications out on.

So far, no version has imported the subs properly [OK, can do this later, but prefer not]; & the current version hasn't worked with 'no-cce' files unless renamed.

Worth persevering with, though; & grateful for all the work put into this to date.

[D3s7]

shoarthing: Ok well I already said there was a problem with the no-cce files which will be fixed in .6

that being said, please explain a little more "no version has imported the subs properly"

nicolati: more information please - how many VTS we talking about? what kind of demux (PGC/VOBID) - if you could please zip/rar up the ScenAid.log and ScenAid.scp file for me and email it I'll take a look and see why it's causing Scenarist to crash

NOTE: you can try by clicking FIle/Options and checking the "don't import subs" box and see if that helps - that would at least narrow the problem down a little

- D3s7

[influenza]

Just wanted to say I think the users are appreciating the fast fixes and quick releases of issues that are fixing their problems. I know I am!

I can second that. The above described problems with the no-cce and subs were discovered by me yesterday afternoon. 30 minutes later they didn't exist anymore. So that's some fast fixing. Thanks d3s7 :)

[de66ka]

Hi,
I never tried your program before. This week I found the forum-thread and tried your little peace of software.
I'm a Pal-user and tried first version 0.9.0.4.
I demuxed "Goodbye Lenin" using Dif4u (by vob-id). Your program creates an scp-file of at least 15 MB. But there was a problem with the subs. All subtitles (numbered correct in Dif4u) are in the scp-file with the ending "0001". So Scenarist tries to import the same subtitle several times.

Then I tried version 0.9.0.3. on the same demux. Subtitle-Numbering seemed to be correct, but importing into scenarist fails. Every subtitle produces an "error" in the scenarist-log-window.

Yesterday I found version 0.9.0.5. I use it on my demux, and what can I say.... The program doesn't recognize the subs, so no subs were imported into scenarist.

So far now. I hope my post give you the chance to improve the usability and function of your soft.

Greets de66ka

[iks]

Great work! I love this program.
But now I had to do a demux by cell-id (Fast and Furious, PAL) and wondered if this is difficult to implement in ScenAid.

Greets, iks

[influenza]

Hmm I wonder why a cell demux would be necessary. Never came across one myself. But this isn't the place to discuss that I guess :)

[wmansir]

I'm trying .5 out on Aliens (Quadrilogy Disc 3, R1) by VOBID and I think I may have come across the forced subs problem. The normal subs are detected imported fine, but there is a set of "special edition" subs are not being imported. (They are forced subs that let you know when you are watching SE footage).

Also, the import script didn't create dummy tracks. I'm keeping x80 and x82, but there are no dummy tracks where x81 and x83 should be. If you need any more help beta (alpha?) testing let me know. Or if you want .LOG or .SCP files.

That remindes me, what program do you guys use to view/edit those large TXT files? I've tried several notepad like programs but most of them get killed by the size of these files. Right now I'm using a program called TextEdit from www.haxial.com. It handles the large files well, but it is crossplatfrom and has a unusual interface. So I'm still on the hunt for a better program.

[Eyes`Only]

I use ultraedit as my text editor. Try it and you'll see why :) Right Click>Ultraedit on any file is quite a useful feature, too

also, 0x83 is unnecessary, though I can see a need for 0x82

[taskman]

I thought I would just let you know that I have just managed to make a good copy of The Sin Eater region 2 with the help of scenaid. I had a few problems, which were easily solved when I realised I was still running an older version even though I had installed the latest version. How stupid do you think I felt when I realized this.

Keep Up the good work.

I can't think of any reason why someone would want to use any of the one click solutions when there are tools like this available.

[joaoccc]

Hello
i'm using .5 version in pirates of carabbien that i demuxed by vobid and when i try to use scenaid the program don't import the files from the demux directory, don't give any errors.
i let it stay one night trying to import and don't do nothing. But version .3 import the files.

Regards

[XadoX]

I use the Version .5

Makeing a Script for VOBID Demux works fine. At importing in Scenarist also no errors. But if i want to export the movie i get several errors.

<i>Error Subpicture Decoding Stream Number for wide of Stream 2 is 9 in "PGC:<VTS1_Title1_PGC1> (Title:<VTS1_Title1> VTS:<VTS_1>) ". It should be less than 2.
Error Subpicture Decoding Stream Number for letterbox of Stream 2 is 9 in "PGC:<VTS1_Title1_PGC1> (Title:<VTS1_Title1> VTS:<VTS_1>) ". It should be less than 2.
Error Subpicture Decoding Stream Number for wide of Stream 2 is 9 in "PGC:<VTS1_Title2_PGC2> (Title:<VTS1_Title2> VTS:<VTS_1>) ". It should be less than 2.
Error Subpicture Decoding Stream Number for letterbox of Stream 2 is 9 in "PGC:<VTS1_Title2_PGC2> (Title:<VTS1_Title2> VTS:<VTS_1>) ". It should be less than 2.
Error Validate From DB failed.
Error DVD Video files could not be created</I>

@D3s7: I you wish i can send you my log files!

[D3s7]

Ok... I need somone (preferably a PAL person) who is having sub problems to email me to test a new build I'm working on.

This build IS NOT ready for release yet and I wouldn't use it for your final project but should hopefully address the sub issues - especially if your having problems with subs being put in at the wrong spot

Thanks

- D3s7

[de66ka]

No problem,
I'm ready to test your new build.
I've a demux of "Goodbye Lenin" (Pal-Version)on my harddrive. No version of your program detects the subs correct (see a earlier post of me).
If you feel free, mail me at "axdecker@web.de".

de66ka

[wmansir]

Originally posted by Eyes`Only
I use ultraedit as my text editor. Try it and you'll see why :) Right Click>Ultraedit on any file is quite a useful feature, too

also, 0x83 is unnecessary, though I can see a need for 0x82

Thanks, I've been trying out Ultraedit and it works pretty good. It's a bit of overkill for my needs, but nice none the less.

Also, for the tracks (I assume you meant "a need for x81" to keep the tracks in the right places.)

I ended up placing some dummy tracks with the correct names into the VTS folder so Scenaid detected and added them to the script. The only problem was Scenarist thought they were real clips and I got some layout errors when trying to build my project (something about the size of the VOB being wrong, contact tech support). The fix was to just just turn the dummy clips to placeholders and then back to data, which was quick and easy.

Also, I might have spoken too quickly about the Force Sub issue. I can't recall if that was the definite cause of the problem in my case. The subs were also labeled "(not detected)", and were a special case (kinda like button over, but without them actually being buttons). I ended up removing the forced sets and getting rid of any references to not detected, since they can be treated as regular subs. Then I rebuilt the scripts and it went fine.

After those two workarounds things seem to be working fine. It still has the stuttering between VOBIDs, but from what I have read that is a problem with Scenarist.

[D3s7]

Ok guys... just wanted to let everyone know what's been going on

Been trying to resolve the sub issues people are having and ahve a new build out to a few people to test.. hopefully I get back thumbs up from them

Added a new feature that allows you to select if you want to keep original Sub structure or only up to the highest demuxed sub

Added CC functionality

Improved logging and visual effect. Also, found a HUGE chunk of the script that isn't needed for valid imports (tested on 2.6/2.7/3.0) - this cuts about 140lines PER TRACK out of the script file. should help with import speeds a little.

Also coming up soon (thanks to a little utility Zeul wrote) is the ability to control Scenarist directly from ScenAid - anywhere from just opening it up to open, import,compile, close scenarist when finished. Of course, I personally just open and import as I always wanna check out my script :)

[nicolati]

Using ScenAid 0.9.0.5 I receive an error in Scenarist 3 during the mux step:
Info Multiplexing VOB "D:\eMule\Incoming\Star.Wars.Ep1.by.SbR\VIDEO1_TS\mux_data\\StarWars0905new-VTS01V001_t.vob".
Info Multiplexing VOB Main Stream
Error The number of frames of audio 3 is shorter than video's "D:\eMule\Incoming\Star.Wars.Ep1.by.SbR\VIDEO1_TS\VTS01\VTS__01_V001-80-448K-ch6.AC3"
Error Please use longer audio file for seamless vob connnection
Error dvd_mux : DoMux Multiplexing Error
Error Terminated Multiplexing (StarWars0905new-VTS01V001_t.vob).
Error Audio gap is detected
Error Multiplex is failed.
Error Multiplexing failed, Track "VTS01V001"

Error MuxFromDB:MuxVTS failed
Error Multiplex failed
Error DVD Video files could not be created

There is a thread that says about this problem, but I can't use Scenarist manually and however I wanted to report you this error.
Bye.
nicolati

[D3s7]

Movie must have angles :)

that's a problem I'm seeing on a few angled movies when the audio isn't the same length as the video.

Trying to find a fix to avoid it but for now a little manual work is needed, go to the DoItfast4u home page and search in the knowledge base, there's an article on how to fix this type of error

[nicolati]

Ok. Thanks. I will try it. The film is Star Wars The Phantom Menace Italian Version. It has 2 angles, then I have used the VOBID Method.
Bye.
nicolati

[Haohmaru]

Hi !

Im just trying to backup Alien Quadrology Disk3 (R2 PAL).
When i import the script into Scenarist i get 2 minor errors :

Info Importing dummy_16_9_data
Error Class(Video) Tag(Size, 1522540772) failed to paste
Info Importing dummy_4_3_data
Error Class(Video) Tag(Size, 1522540772) failed to paste

Except these, everything is fine, so i had ignored that. After all the steps the backup seemed to be worked fine, just like the original.
Theatrical and Special Edition worked both.
Its only one thing that isn't good. And that's beacouse Sceneaid didn't make dummy audio tracks.(I know it cant't yet in Vob ID demux)
In the original ifo there are 5 audio tracks, i only want to keep english (0x80) and hungarian (0x83), so i unchecked the others in DIF4U. But beacouse the dummy tracks were mising, after scenarist english was 0x80 and hungarian 0x81. And the whorse is, if i select in the menu hungarian audio, the player starts the movie with no sound (of courrse) beacouse he has set 0x83 what has no really audio track, only the place of it generated by ifoupdate. If i let the "copy audio subpicture tables" checked in ifoupdate then it plays also not 0x81, but 0x80 what is english.
Is there any chance that Sceneaid will have the ability to generate dummy audio tracks if there was demuxed by VOB ID?
Or has someone an idea for fixing this ?

[Trahald]

as d3s7 said.. its not a fault in scenaid that it cant make dummy audio with vobid demux. its that you CANNOT do dummy audio in vobid demux. well.. not that you cant but scenarist will never compile it like that.

If tracks are linked seamlessy in a pgc they must have audio that have durations the full length of the tracks (except for the last track but one vobid does no good).. hence no dummies allowed. you either MUST keep all the audios.. or if you kill some,you have to mess with the ifo or change the menu buttons so they point to the correct audios.

closest thing i could think of is a making a track with silence in it at a very low bitrate (doesnt matter how low since the track is silent) and use them to replace the ones you killed .. i dunno what the legal minimum is. with vobid these silence tracks would be in every pgc with non-still videos. this would probably not be worth the effort for the small gain except maybe dts.

[Haohmaru]

Ok thx, so no dummy audio tracks by Vob ID demux.
Can you (or anybody) tell me how to change the menu buttons so they point to the correct audios ?
Is there a tool for that ?

[Eyes`Only]

ugh that would probably throw sizing off too :confused:

[ThAD0oD]

Hey, Im ripping a movie with 6 subtitle streams, ScenAid seems to not import the start times of the subs in the .sst. I used DIF4U, ReAuthorist and DoCCE4U, then ScenAid to generate the .scp.

It seemed to import everything fine into Scenarist... then I get hundreds of "The subtitle stream is across scene border at xx:xx:xx", from each subtitle, from each stream, at about 3 different timecodes... took 4 hours to run through all that :/.

I looked in the track editor at the subs, and all the subs had begin timecode at 00:00:00, yet they had the right end time. Of course compiling failed and it took me a few hrs to figure out what the hell was goin on hehe.

The .SCP was 28megs... so I wasnt about to sift through it myself... with 6 sub streams at ~1600 subs per stream .. makes a big .scp.

Tried with 0.9.0.4, and 0.9.0.5 same error.

The .scp made by ReAuthorist doesnt have the subtitle problem, but alas it has a video import problem I have yet to fix :/.

NTSC movie.

ScenAid.LOG is 1mb so i cant really paste it :/ , but I look in there and all the right timecodes for the subs were taken

eg:

(3/6/2004 9:39:58 PM) Scanning Sub Line: 1036 00:57:53:09 00:57:55:25 VTS_09_VSUB_P1A1-01-English_1036.bmp
(3/6/2004 9:39:58 PM) Scanning Sub Line: 1037 00:58:06:10 00:58:09:17 VTS_09_VSUB_P1A1-01-English_1037.bmp
(3/6/2004 9:39:58 PM) Scanning Sub Line: 1038 00:58:13:02 00:58:16:00 VTS_09_VSUB_P1A1-01-English_1038.bmp
(3/6/2004 9:39:58 PM) Scanning Sub Line: 1039 00:58:16:03 00:58:20:26 VTS_09_VSUB_P1A1-01-English_1039.bmp

Im out of ideas... anyone else?

[n1ck0s]

there is an option in scenaid not ot import subtitles. check this and try to import them manually.

[D3s7]

That's actually not an error, if you manually import the .sst's you'll find the same warning/errors.

Basically, the bmp starts in one scene and ends in another. I'm working on a fix to minimize these but like I said, you'll find the same thing when manually importing

[influenza]

d3s7 is it possible to remove the stop attribute from the subs when importing? I belive that resolves those errors/warnings

[Haohmaru]

I have succesfully made another backup from Alien Quadrology (disc 5 PAL) ScenAid is a really powerfull tool.
But there is a little annoying thing. At every layer break (the disc contains about 50 )the backup freezes for a half second, but not the original disc.
I checked my last project (AQ disc 3 PAL) and it has a similar problem. This disc has only 2 layer breaks, but it freezes for a very short time (the original not at all) at the begin of almost every new Vob ID. This is quite annoying beacouse it has more than 60 and that means i see skippings in every 2-3 min.

Is this normal? Is there a way to solve this problem ?

[Trahald]

i did notice that on vobid demux, scenaid is not setting all the cells it can as [SM] seamless.. on a seamless branching title some of them will have to be [NSM]non-seamless(if the pgc playback has to jump within the vob)..but many can be seamless.. i just manually go back and change all the ones i can to seamless

[ThAD0oD]

Originally posted by D3s7
That's actually not an error, if you manually import the .sst's you'll find the same warning/errors.

Basically, the bmp starts in one scene and ends in another. I'm working on a fix to minimize these but like I said, you'll find the same thing when manually importing I know thats an actual warning, but that should only happen for the subs that are across that scene boundary... every single one of the subs do that warning becuase it ScenAid imported them with a video start time of 00:00:00 instead of the actual time...

I resolved a compeltely different way anyway ;)

[n1ck0s]

Originally posted by Trahald
i did notice that on vobid demux, scenaid is not setting all the cells it can as [SM] seamless.. on a seamless branching title some of them will have to be [NSM]non-seamless(if the pgc playback has to jump within the vob)..but many can be seamless.. i just manually go back and change all the ones i can to seamless

I was always wondering if the seamless-non seamless option was set correctly for the cells. It seems that cells always have the default setting (e.g. the first cell of each tile is always non-seamless).

Is there any rule of thumb when to change this settings? What do you mean by "all the ones i can"?

Sorry if the answer is obvious, I'm very confused w/ this SM, NSM staff.

[TRILIGHT]

Originally posted by n1ck0s
I was always wondering if the seamless-non seamless option was set correctly for the cells. It seems that cells always have the default setting (e.g. the first cell of each tile is always non-seamless).

Is there any rule of thumb when to change this settings? What do you mean by "all the ones i can"?

Sorry if the answer is obvious, I'm very confused w/ this SM, NSM staff.

If I remember correctly, the Scenarist manual mentions only being able to set SM on contiguous video data. In other words, one scene or cell that followed another could be set SM but you could not do the same with a jump from one video asset to another or back witin the same, etc. Basically, you can't use SM very often but it should be set when you are able to do so. I've noticed this glitch with ScenAid myself.

PS. For those wondering... I wasn't really here. You didn't see me. hehe ;) Seriously though, I'm like Lestadt in "Interview with a Vampire". I'm practically dead but still struggling to make it out. I hope to rejoin the land of the living again soon.

[influenza]

hehe. Nice to have not seen you trilight :D

[D3s7]

Well I'll have to definitely take a look at that then

If anyone can shoot me an IFO and screenshots that might be helpful

Trilight: nice not seeing you :)

[TRILIGHT]

Nice to not be seen. :D

By the way... DAMN fine work on ScenAid, D3s7! I've seen a number of anomalies when doing VOBID stuff but perhaps you're still working on that part? For instance, I remember seeing some form of error reported during the mux that stated a particular VOB was not the expected size or something like that. I recreated that portion manually and even replaced it with a nothing dummy asset but I still couldn't get it to compile. Not sure if that is a script error or what but it appears to be. I'll try to get you more info if you aren't familiar with the error.

[D3s7]

Oooh thanky..

There are a few problems I know of still that have to do w/ audio durations causing muxing issues. Others I'm still working out as I find them. Die Another Day has been a headache but unfortunatly I haven't been able to get enough time to take a good long look at it.

Work in progress though...

Now that the foundation is there building the house hopefully won't be as difficult. It be easier too if Scenarist would stop tossing hurricanes and floods at me :)

BTW: keep sucking on them rats to keep yourself alive.... you'll be jumping on the roof of a reports car real soon

[n1ck0s]

PS. For those wondering... I wasn't really here. You didn't see me. hehe ;) Seriously though, I'm like Lestadt in "Interview with a Vampire". I'm practically dead but still struggling to make it out. I hope to rejoin the land of the living again soon.
Back from the dead :devil: to help me out? Flattered... :p

[Trahald]

As Trilight said.. it must be continuous (ivlu/angle is considered continous) data to be seamless (which automatically rules out the first cell so it must be NSM). you can apply logic to only choose which ones will allow the seamless[SM] tag to be set but really its quicker to just try all the ones listed as NSM.. if scenarist gives you a choice for seamless pick it.. if not goto the next

and W*sorta*B Trilight

[walkistalki]

I found another strange issue with dif4u-scenaid. The Mission, region 2 pal has 5 pgcs, of which the last 3 are stills. When scenaid creates the script it imports the first of the 3 as a movie, the 2 others correctly as encoded stills.

D3s7, i can send you all the log files/created script if you want (70kb zip)

thanks very much for the program!

[D3s7]

Yep.... shoot me the ScenAid.scp/.log and the .ifo for the VTS in question

[n1ck0s]

Originally posted by Trahald
As Trilight said.. it must be continuous (ivlu/angle is considered continous) data to be seamless (which automatically rules out the first cell so it must be NSM). you can apply logic to only choose which ones will allow the seamless[SM] tag to be set but really its quicker to just try all the ones listed as NSM.. if scenarist gives you a choice for seamless pick it.. if not goto the next

and W*sorta*B Trilight

It sounds easy enough :) thx. Is this only a "demux by vobid" thing? I had playback issues w/ "THE MATRIX" on a standalone (pauses every two minutes or so at the second part of the movie). This wasn't a "by vobid" project and it plays fine w/ PowerDVD.