Elby Clone dvd 2

[t1955feb]

New version of clone dvd download link http://www.elby.ch/en/products/clone_dvd/index.html

[KungFuCow]

Crashes almost instantly for me when ripping from a virtual drive. Dont have any real DVDs handy to try from.

:(

[mrbass]

Nice improvements for sure. It's the only commercial dvd backup program that I'm aware of that doesn't work with dvd43 (on-the-fly decryption). So one must use dvddecrypter or pony up $ for anydvd.

[DVDRFreak]

I did some testing with this new version.

Must say it is realy much better then the CloneDVD 1.xx versions I did try. Did run it on GON a 2 hours and 40 minute movie and NARC of course.

Took 17 minutes to do the complete GON DVD and the quality was as good imho as Recode or Shrink. Need to do some more testing but if this is right then I must say they did do an excelent job. Same quality half the time.

Will do some more testing. See how stripping out stuff works.

I did not experience the crashes described by the other users. Ripped the DVD to HD with DVDdecryptor and mounted it with Daemon tools 3.44.

[valnar]

I'm curious as to the quality compared to InstantCopy.

Anyone test that with a close to 8GB movie?

-Robert

[DVDRFreak]

Originally posted by valnar
I'm curious as to the quality compared to InstantCopy.

Anyone test that with a close to 8GB movie?

-Robert

GON movie only is 6.1 GB. (I demuxed and reauthored it so I only have the movie with one soundtrak for testing). Quality wise it is the imho comaprable to Recode or DVDShrink. Maybe a little better on some scenes but also worse on other.

Rejig is the only transcoder that gave me almost perfect quality on this movie (old engine). It is however not so far that it can do a one click backup with menu's.

I did not compare it to instantcopy because I do not use it. I have problems with instantcopy encoded movies and fastforward on my home player and in Powerdvd.

[DMagic1]

Looks good, Im glad they got the quality bar fixed.

One thing about CloneDVD I liked was that like DVD95Copy it removes extras without still images or colors. You would never know anything was ever there, unlike Recode and Shrink. Clone does a lot better at removing extras than DVD95Copy since it can remove parts of a title set like Shrink does. DVD95Copy will only remove the whole title set.

[tf]

Well there is always DVDStripper (free) that does it better anyway :-)

-tf

[windtrader]

tf - I tried to get dvdstripper to work and it kept crapping out and I could not get a single thing out of it. Is there something I am missing to get it going properly?

[tf]

Just config it to the paths it wants and as soon as everything is in order, you can press the "Rip using dvddecrypter" button. From there it's pretty easy.

-tf

[windtrader]

Well. I got motivated again based on your post. Downloaded latest again just to make sure. Setup the directories on a HD with plenty of space. Hit start to start processing a Daemon nmounted ISO. Crunched along until the ripping was done, then it pops a window that says "Run-time error '6': Overflow. then dies.

[tf]

Try with a proper dvd - perhaps it has problems with daemontools.

It has worked 100% with real dvds here, have backed up about 25 movies with it so far.

-tf

[LakersFan]

I haven't had much luck with Disney movies using DVD stripper. In fact I just backed up "Eloise" for my daughter and ended up giving up with DVDStripper and just used the evaluation version of CloneDVD2. It removed all the extras I asked it to and it worked perfectly. Oh and the picture was just fine for a 6yr old!

IMHO DVDstripper is for simple removal of extras, etc. It stinks on complex titles. And the fact that you can't use it to remove subtitles or certain audio drives me nuts!!!

-LF

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by tf
Well there is always DVDStripper (free) that does it better anyway :-)

-tf

We are talking about a transcoder, not a just a stripper. Lets stay on topic.

[LakersFan]

You're right. I apologize.

Sticking to the topic...
for a transcoder/stripper, I liked CloneDVD2 a lot. Output is just as good as Shrink, plus it effectively strips audio, subtitles, and unwanted extras.

The downside? You'll have to cough up some cash. :p

-LF

[ddlooping]

The downside? You'll have to cough up some cash. :p
Hence the proposed option to use TitleSetBlanker or DVDStripper in conjunction with DVD Shrink. ;)

[windtrader]

IMHO DVDstripper is for simple removal of extras, etc. It stinks on complex titles. If this is true, what's the point. The reason I was drawn to test it is I have a few title now and then that I would like to keep all the menu structure, compress the extras, place a dummy vob for the main title. Take the main title out and re-encode it using something like DVD2DVD then slip it back in and have it all play like new. That sounds more in the complex than simple situations.

I am testing it now. Unfortunately it fails to work on an DVDDecrypter created ISO that is mounted to Daemon, so I need to run it with the original disc. No big deal, just less convenient.

[ron spencer]

I had major issues with DVDStripper as well on complex movies...never worked with Disney Movies as all...

Works with simpler ones like runaway jury

Recode works well...replace stuff with images.

[opsis81]

CloneDVD2 can be used also as a DVD stripper only.There's a new option that allows you to choose the output filesize.I always choose 9999 MB,I combine it with AnyDVD and I'm ripping directly with it.In some minutes I have my stripped DVD to my harddisk ready to be transcoded.DVDStripper is a very good software,but it needs much more time and a very huge harddisk.The only problem I see it's that AnyDVD and cloneDVD are commercial software,but if you already own them there's no problem.

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by opsis81
CloneDVD2 can be used also as a DVD stripper only.There's a new option that allows you to choose the output filesize.I always choose 9999 MB,I combine it with AnyDVD and I'm ripping directly with it.In some minutes I have my stripped DVD to my harddisk ready to be transcoded.

Almost forgot that great new feature. I've gone from not really liking CloneDVD when it first came out, to beginning to lean more to it for all my transcoding needs.

[windtrader]

Just and update. The problem I had DVDStripper was caused by reading an ISO file mounted with Daemon as a virtual DVD disc. When I ran the program against a physical DVD it worked as advertised. I was able to keep all the DVD menu and extras and reduced the main title to a series of still images.

I ran the output through DVDShrink and was able to shrink this down quite a bit. I plan to test replacing the main title stills with a separately shrinked main title, then use IFOUPDATE to synch up the IFOS. Hope this works.

[krbo]

Latest CloneDVD still uses 8bit DCT prec.


Question for more technical users:

- will it affect picture quality ?

,as I checked (bitrate viewer) all other transcoders uses 10bit

[Gor]

>Latest CloneDVD still uses 8bit DCT prec.


>Question for more technical users:

>- will it affect picture quality ?

>,as I checked (bitrate viewer) all other transcoders uses 10bit


Hi,

I assume you refer to the MPEG2 syntax element intra_dc_presision.

This element is not 'used' by CloneDVD in any respect: it is not changed.
So whatever settings of intra_dc_precision there are in the input video
material will also be in the processed video material.

The gain in terms of reducing video bandwith by changing intra_dc_precision
would most likely be pretty small: usually there are many more non intra
macroblocks than intra macroblocks and the bits coding the DC coefficient are
only a small fraction of the bits of an intra macroblock. And last but not
least the DC coefficients are differentially encoded what makes the idea
of playing arround with intra_dc_precision quite questionable.

Regarding the impact of intra_dc_precision on the picture quality in general:
there are DVDs with quite acceptable picture quality using only 8 bits.

[windtrader]

I've been using many of the transcoder for the past year or more. DVD2One, DVDShrink, Recode, and others briefly tested and discarded. Only recently did I finally use CloneDVD 2, the lastest version from Elby. I had used AnyDVD from time to time but for some reason did not try CloneDVD.

CloneDVD 2, along with AnyDVD, is now the new standard for the most fully capable one-click solution. The main capabilities that I find the most valuable and wanting are listed below.

ADVANTAGES
1) ability to selectively shrink the main move, extras, and menus in one pass.

2) ability to retain working menus and selectively remove other elements of DVD with a short (few seconds) blank placeholder. This is useful to me when I want to keep all the extras and menu navigation but eliminate the main title only.

3) ability to extract out main movie or extra without any shrinking. This is useful to me since I use DVD2DVD to reencode all main titles that require more than 10% shrinking.

4) ability to transcode video with high quality results. This has not been proven to me yet, so I have to wait for further personal testing and other member feedback. I strive for high quality shrinks but in this case it may be less of an issue for me since I am limiting my use of CloneDVD2 to a maximum of 10% shrinks.

5) Less important but nice is the ability to retain the full menus and being able to shrink out just the main title.

The other features are pretty much equal to those found in DVDShrink.

DISADVANTAGES
1) seems less able to select parts of a movie to be transcoded. I see the feature to select a chapter or range of contiguous chapters but not the ability to select several non-contiguous chapters, or ability to set cut in and out points at user selectable frames.

Overall, I find the new product very promising and starting to use CloneDVD2 for all my DVD backups (transcodes) except for the longer titles which will be handled by DVD2DVD (reencode).

[Richk50]

"Overall, I find the new product very promising and starting to use CloneDVD2 for all my DVD backups (transcodes) except for the longer titles which will be handled by DVD2DVD (reencode)."

I agree. Quality is much better than it used to be and in my opinion as good or better than any of the other one click products.
For large jobs, I also use DVD2DVD.

[tf]

With DVD ReBuilder out, I think the competing one-click transcoders will face a hard time, since it's just as easy, but with much better results.

Still, stuff like shrink has its advantages.

-tf

[StifflerStealth]

I have the latest sneak peak of CloneDVD 2, in fact I still have about 20 days left. I used it on a 7.6 Gig DVD. I kepted everything just to see the results of a heavy compression. I thought the video was fairly good on my 15" flat panel monitor. I did not want to waste my time or DVDRs to see how it would look on the big screen, because I new it would be that great. Is there a quality difference between the Sneak Peak and the final. Also, I was disapointed by the quality since it was was being hyped so much on the web site. Stuff like a new, completely rewritten transcoder, blah, blah, blah... Then when I used it, I was like "Is this it?" It was hyped so much, that the end result didn't seem good.

Stiff

PS. I used a transcoder only because I was getting really mad at trying to figure out how to redo a DVD using CCE.

[windtrader]

Is there a quality difference between the Sneak Peak and the final. Also, I was disapointed by the quality since it was was being hyped so much on the web site. Stuff like a new, completely rewritten transcoder, blah, blah, blah... I don't know how much improvement is in the new version but I can tell you if the main title was anywhere near 7.6 gb then any transcoder will produce a marginal quality output and any differences between them is more academic than practical.

Transcoders deliver very good results when the compression is less than 15-20%. AFter that, encoding methods provide better results but are more involved and take more time.

[StifflerStealth]

@Windtrader: You are correct. I didn't think of it that way.

I guess I need to find a DVD that's around 6 gig to give a fair test before the time expires. They don't make 'em that small anymore, though. :(

Stiff

[DMagic1]

I see the offical release version(not preview) of CloneDVD 2 is now out.

[jzaman]

One movie (full movie, english subtitles, english director cuts) that I've cloned with IC8, DVD2One, CCE (via DVD2DVD-R), Recode 2, CloneDVD and DVD95Copy is "Road To Perdition". Yah...I know I'm nuts for purchasing all these transcoders and encoders over the last 18 months. I just finished up "Road to Perdition" with CloneDVD2 v2.0.4.1 in 26 minutes 32 seconds including burn time at a disk size of 4.34 gb. The quality, transcode time and ease of use is top notch. I can not differentiate it from my IC8 transcode but it is still under the encoder quality standard. However, it is acceptable and quick. Using Bitrate Viewer (Commercial version) and comparing a main movie second vob from the original disk with the same vob from the CloneDVD2 transcoded version I found the following:

DCT Precision AVG Bitrate Peak Bitrate

original 10 6227 9221
cloneDVD2 10 4782 7562

My impression so far is positive.

[windtrader]

jzman

What is the size of the orginal title coming in with all secondary audio and subtitles? And then what is the output size and what does it contain(any extra audio,etc) And finally what is CloneDVD showing as the compression ratio?

I'm curious to hear how much compression people are getting from the new version with "good" results.

thx

[jzaman]

windtrader:

In my "Road to Perdition" example it was 21% compression with only English subtitles and English director comments and 28% compression with all subtitles and comments. All audio streams are also untouched. Main movie is 6.3 gb.

In my opinion, it seems to scale well to 30% compression without any significant flaws. Beyond 30% it is in the eye of the beholder or the size of the screen that tells the tale.

[bobwillis]

Hi all,

Well in my test, I used saving private ryan (about 65%), and IMHO, I thought it was better than ICv8 (problems in the dark - chapter 9) and dvdshrink (with deep analysis) - general pixelisation. The film Shackleton (55%), I thought ICv8 was the clear winner with DVDShrink (deep analysis) & Clone DVD on a par. The beauty of CloneDVD is the ability to strip material and transcode on the fly whilst ripping (with anydvd) at great speed (typically 15 mins to do a film). Marvellous stuff. Of course, anything under 80%, I would use DVD2DVD (with CCE) anyway. So generally, for material >80-85%, CloneDVD2 has become my new tool of choice.

Hats off to elby,
regards,
Bob

[wunschkind]

hi,

i have problems with the final clonedvd 2. shrinking a title (no menus ...) there are no problems. clonedvd needs 20 minutes.

but if i have a movie which is short enough and has not to be shrinked, clonedvd needs 50 minutes to simple copy it to my harddrive.

i don´t understand this. can someone help me?


thank you very much

[MeridiusUK]

HI ALL

I have been using IC8 for ages and thay never seem to upgrade the software, but it is still the best encoder.

So the Question is, is CloneDVD beter quality than IC8 or on par or not as good.

I use dvd shrink to edit my movies eg talkinbg out extras and then use IC8 to compress it but i was woundering if clonedvd did a better job at compressing than IC8.

I hope somone can test these two programs to see the end results has antone tried it yet.

thanks all

[djan]

Originally posted by bobwillis
Of course, anything under 80%, I would use DVD2DVD (with CCE) anyway. So generally, for material >80-85%, CloneDVD2 has become my new tool of choice.

If it's for 80-85%, DVDShrink does very well the job, so no need to give $ for a program when there is one free. And for me, IC8 gives much better results than CloneDVD.

[djan]

Originally posted by MeridiusUK
HI ALL

I have been using IC8 for ages and thay never seem to upgrade the software, but it is still the best encoder.

So the Question is, is CloneDVD beter quality than IC8 or on par or not as good.

I use dvd shrink to edit my movies eg talkinbg out extras and then use IC8 to compress it but i was woundering if clonedvd did a better job at compressing than IC8.

I hope somone can test these two programs to see the end results has antone tried it yet.

thanks all

Why don't you test yourself ? The best is you take a movie and you test the 2 progs. Your eyes are the best judge. If you want my own taste, I prefer from far IC8.

[zORLu]

I compared CloneDVD and IC (latest versions) and I came to the conclusion that IC is still better (best) than CloneDVD. I tested
it with Bad Boys 2, movie only.
I selected several frames and saved the images with Media Player Classic. Furthermore I used Irfan View to compare the images. Mostly
the IC images are more sharp and less blocky (especially at color fades).
Unfortunately IC needed more than 100 min. (best quality) to convert the movie to DVD5. CloneDVD about 17 min.
For me quality is more important than speed.

zORLu

[windtrader]

What version of CloneDVD and IC were you using?

I don't know how fast your PC is but for 100 minutes of time, you can get the best quality from DVD2DVD using D2SRoba. With the latest update to include transcoding for the resizing pass (conditional pass), I can do a full encode of a typical main movie title in that same 100 minutes. Give it a try.

[djan]

DVD2DVD is a way so difficult to use by beginners. And much more difficult when you want to make a full backup. With IC8, you make some choices, you push the start button and you finally get your backup. It can even handle full backup without difficulty. I know DVD2DVD is free and it's its advantage. But whatever, I'm now using DVDRB. :D