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Shadoworks
18th February 2004, 09:48
We have a friend that was using Dr. Divx created by Divx.com that told us he had reported a few flaws in Divx.com's forum and suddenly his registration didn't work anymore. No matter what he did he couldn't get the app to register. I even went to his house and tried to help him re-install it. He was sure that Doom9's recent post about SoftwareKey's was what had happened. He was not firewalled and convinced a few of us that divx.com had yanked his registration that he paid for just because he was unhappy and said something about it. So we set up a test to see if divx.com is using SoftwareKey's products. I bought the divx codec 5.11 and a dr. divx registration key. We setup an old machine on a dsl connection and joined their forum. No firewall of course, other than the gateway. But basically wide open. I tried the products out. I think I was very fair in my posts to the forum. I made a couple posts on the good in Dr. Divx but every flaw I found I told them about it. Nothing happened for a month or so. I decided to step it up this week and really pointed out the weak points in the program and compared it heavily to VirtualDub. I stated it was inferior to Gordians Knot and wammo, we got what we were looking for. My dummy machine was breached today by none other than divx.com. My registration was yanked and the program simply states the trial period is over. Try to re-register it and it throws up an error. But to make it worse, this takes the cake, I watched them take files from my machine just to be asses about it. I had a feeling this would happen so I've been sniffing my traffic pretty close. So I posted this message in their forum earlier:
The story about 321 Studios remote deactivation before proven guilty (official press release) makes you wonder what more companies are using SoftwareKey's products and may thereby revoke your license at their will? This is a strong argument for using an active firewall. What about the Dr.?
To my suprise they admitted to it with this reply:
you are not allowed to question the authority of DivX or our products. your license has now been deactivated... and we also stole some mp3's from your collection. thekid... If you wish to purchase a new license for Dr. DivX let me know i can give you a good deal on your old one
To this I replied:
You think that's kewl kid?? Well that's okay because we already knew this. We watched you do it. And I think that's pretty unethical don't you. www.divx.com is hacking into our machine because we had some issues with your program. I knew you would! In fact we at Shadoworks have been watching you for some while due to other reports of the same kind of mischief. This is why we posted some things to get your attention if you might say. Now if this isn't a violation of law and ethics I don't know what is. And you have stupidly confessed to the masses. And for those of you reading this I hope you know this could happen to you. Don't dare say any wrong about Divx.com or you will be violated in the same way these KIDS think they have violated us. You're lucky I'm older and wiser and work for the other side now or you'd be down for a while, just for trying this. If this is the kind of proffesionalism divx.com is all about then we should evaluate what we buy from them. This was but one instance as we have heard of this happening to other people that disagreed with their ideals. Use caution my friends.
I really hated to go about this in this manner. All I did was speak my opinion though and instead of asking me to leave the forum or helping to fix my problems of a product I paid $60+ dollars for I was deactivated and hacked. What kind of a company is this when leaders of software divisions act this way. I am a developer myself and I understand as many do here that it sucks to get criticized about your work. We try very hard to put out the best products. But I don't run ddos attacks on people that don't like it, and for a major company to attack me and my friends and take our money then gloat about it just pisses me off! Be aware my fellow encoders and use caution!

communist
18th February 2004, 10:23
:eek:
Must be a very bad joke...
Good thing - I never even installed Dr. DivX :p

Wilbert
18th February 2004, 10:23
I understand your frustration if this is indeed true. I hope thekid will react on this.

ps, you are not allowed to cross post. I will close the other posts ...

Shadoworks
18th February 2004, 11:06
Sorry about the cross posting. It is true and I guess I got a little excited for a bit, heh.

The Edge
18th February 2004, 11:49
If true that's quite unbelievable! :eek:

bond
18th February 2004, 12:28
i can only laugh out loud, i _very_ much doubt that this is true!

guys, think logically:
what does it bring divxnetworks to do this?
what does it bring them to make their customers fear them?

nothing!!!

i _very_ much doubt that they would even hack a guy who they know is using an illegaly obtained key, well hacking is simply illegal!

dxn is a company! they cant afford getting legal troubles only because one person badmouthed divx :rolleyes:
they are no kids who like doing illegal things or spreading nonsense!

Nic
18th February 2004, 12:36
For those that haven't followed it at divx.com
http://forums.divx.com/viewtopic.php?forum=24&topic=57447

-Nic

bond
18th February 2004, 12:41
i dont really get why you, shadoworks, cant answer in this thread and have to start a new one in the general discussion forum :rolleyes:

find his dispute settled statement here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71118)

Wilbert
18th February 2004, 13:22
I attached his post here, and removed the two threads in the general discussion forum:

Shadoworks:

dispute settled

After calming down a little and talking with DivxDynomite of the divx.com forum we have come to the conclusion that since I don't have a log of the intrusion that my proof of this incident is unprovable. And if someone breached my system and then logged into thekid's account and made the post about deactivating my product and stealing my files then I do apologize to the kid. I guess things got a little out of hand for a bit. I will contact divx.com tommorow and see about reactivating my products although I am a Virtualdub and XVID user. We'll see what happens. Maybe this has been a huge misunderstanding? I don't know. I wont pursue it much farther.

Wilbert
18th February 2004, 20:17
I attached the response of thekid (in the thread Nic linked). I think that cleared it up.


wow some of you guys are paranoid

sounds like some people need to turn their computer off and go outside for a walk...

seriously, get some air

it will do your head some good

DivX nor anyone working for DivX has the authority to 'hack' into anyones computer and remove anything or de-authorize your software. We can turn off a serial number if we find that it is being abused (i.e. shared) but if your program is registered it would still work.

that said... there are instances where the protexis keys can get corrupt and cause the problem you stated.

We don't care what you say about our products. In fact we appreciate the comments even the negative ones becuase they help us make better products.

Hope that clears things up

thekid...

communist
18th February 2004, 22:27
Hmm a sudden change of heart? I mean at first he was quite proud having hacked his computer :confused:
Either someone hax0red thekids forum account or he is really a bit 2 faced ;)

leadman584
19th February 2004, 05:49
The real "TheKid" is the one that gave full version keys for Dr. Divx and Divx Pro to dozens of us for alpha and beta testing Dr. Divx. Doesn't sound like the same guy to me.

Justinus
19th February 2004, 06:47
I read the story in DivX forum already. I didn't find it funny at all even though they tried to change the air in the forum with later posts. Instead of making a joke on the top of other people's misery, thekid better did take the problem right away and seriously. If someone's PC got hacked, the 150GB of data has been formatted, and registration key has been tampered, anybody would be mad when someone's trying to make such a pun. When I lost my 40GB of data, I couldn't laugh at all. Also, if that is the quality of the customer service, I may have to rethink twice before buying any product or recommending anyone.

Shadoworks
19th February 2004, 12:20
Hi all. I see my little brother made a few posts last night and quite a bit got stirred up. I tried to change names but I don't see any way to without registering again. I can vouch that what he said is true. He has been helping me with figuring out a way to distribute encoding with defferent machines. I signed up recently and have made a couple posts on it in the DVD2AVI forum. He's the programmer in the family. I've always been into encoding. So I asked him for some help on some ideas I've had with avisynth. And a friend of ours brought up the whole Dr. Divx deal to him and asked him for his help. I think my posts to thekid today have resolved the issues as far as for me. I myself don't know what to think of it all but I know something strange did occur. Most of the files formatted were mine. So don't get me wrong it hasn't been fun for me re-copying my collection to disk. As far as the registration of Dr. Divx it still doesn't work, which doesn't hurt my feelings as bad because I don't use it. I think it was just the principle of the matter to him. He is pretty hard core. I haven't seen many that can do what he can do with a computer. And I know that when he read that post, with the circumstances that were going on at the time, who knows what he was thinking. I think it's pretty suspicious myself and I believe him if he thinks someone was up to no good. Whether right or wrong I hope you guys can understand that my brother grew up on irc playing war games with his buddies, seeing who can break into each others machine, knocking each other off line etc., and there seems to be things you don't say in that enviroment. I think what the kid said, whether joking or not I don't know, fell into the things you don't say to anyone. And maybe he forgot that he wasn't on irc. When he showed me the posts today he said, "wars have started over less than this". I don't want a war with nobody, just to make my movies. That's all. Whatever decoders, encoders, codecs you use it's all for the better of the community. I hope none of this will affect that. I apologize to Doom9 and any readers the posts may have affected in any bad way. I hope it was just a big misunderstanding because it does hurt us all if it wasn't.

r6d2
19th February 2004, 13:31
Originally posted by Shadoworks
I see my little brother made a few posts last night and quite a bit got stirred up.If you don't know how to use a password, don't be surprised if your system is hacked again and you have to keep backing up your CD collection over and over.

communist
19th February 2004, 22:15
Well at least you made it to the front page of doom9 :D ;)

Shadoworks
20th February 2004, 16:03
I didn't care if he logged in on that account. We both have used it to post and ask a few questions on avisynth lately. It won't be used anymore after this post.:) Not having a firewall up is my fault because I had it disabled. It kept giving me trouble with connecting to a workgroup machine so I disabled it and forgot about it. Never again:) Lessons learned. Thanks