Subtitles in AutoGK

[gorduser]

First of all, let me say that I think AutoGK is great. It will be brilliant once it supports Ogg.

I am ripping a DVD at the moment and seem unable to get the subtitles to appear in the rip (Xvid)

It's a French movie (Francais AC3 5ch) and there is one English subtitle track. Going to advanced settings...I am unsure as to what I should select if anything or if I have to add the subtitles later... Sorry...n00b question...but then AutoGK is aimed at me right??

btw...tried to instal the latest 0.96beta - was a disaster, not being able to get the programme to load at all, so managed to go back to 0.8 which works fine.

[manono]

Hi gorduser, and welcome to the forum-

I'll assume that you want the English subs as part of the video (burned in, or embedded, or hard coded).

Just select those English subs on the main screen, and do nothing in advanced settings. Then, for safety reasons, run the Preview, and when the movie starts playing, scroll to a place where there's some dialog and make sure they show up. There's nothing worse than running the 2 passes, and then checking the movie only to find that you didn't get your subtitles, and have to do it all over again.

If you want separate or external subs to be displayed through DirectVobSub, then select the English subs on the main screen, and the external subs in advanced settings.

In neither case do you check forced subs in the advanced settings. Forced subs does not mean that you're going to force AutoGK to put the subs into the movie. Those are for those rare cases when there is dialog, or perhaps some signs, in a different language (Elvish in LOTR, Alien languages in the Star Wars movies, etc.).

I hope that makes it clear. I'll revise that portion of the guide to reflect your question as I've gotten that question before. Maybe I wasn't entirely clear (or maybe you just didn't read the Guide (http://len0xmirror1.serveftp.net/~len0x/tutorial/AutoGK.html)). ;)

[gorduser]

You are correct in saying that I want UK subs....

Sadly this particular movie (3 colours blue) does not seem to want to give up it's subtitles. I've tried every which way (including the force - I know, not the right one) and although I have done the movie twice now, there are no subtitles.....

I ripped the whole of the DVD in the first place using DVDdecrypter and it's currently sitting on my hd (is it possible that I didn't rip the whole DVD?)...I assume that if AutoGK is showing me a British subtitle track then it must be able to see it.

BTW, each time I use preview, it shows no subs. Do I take it that if it's not in preview, it's definitely not in the final rip?

thanks for your help,

(might have to go back to Gordian Knot and rip this...)

[manono]

Hi-

Do I take it that if it's not in preview, it's definitely not in the final rip?

You take it right. So, did you use DVDDecrypter in IFO Mode, and not in File Mode? And you have an IFO as part of the files (it'll say something like VTS_01_0.IFO)? And you have a Stream Information.txt file? And that Stream Information.txt file says there are English language subtitles in there? And you've tried to Preview all the sub streams that are in there? Sometimes the subs are labelled with the wrong language. If you're not sure you set up DVDDecrypter correctly, then check the guide. Lots of pictures showing how to set it up.

And maybe you can cut-and-paste the contents of the Stream Information file here. There's a chance, I suppose, that it's not in a format that AutoGK can read. But I'm not so sure anymore that you did anything wrong. This might be a job for len0x.

[gorduser]

Ok, will get back to you on that...Not at home at the mo and currently have no power at home....until this evening.

thanks for the help so far...

[gorduser]

Well, I managed to use AutoGK on one of the DVDs with subtitles....and it worked...but....The preview showed double subtitles - I chose to ignore this (and not take it as read) that the subs would appear correctly....And they did..

I am still fighting trying to get the other two DVDs with subs to work. Three Colours Blue and 3 Colours Red are proving resistant to any attempts to extract the subs from.

I have set up DvdDecrypter to IFO mode, with the streams ticked. I am now trying with the "enable stream processing" ticked, which is about the last thing I haven't done.

this is the stream text file that I get from the DVD, but it does not appear in AutoGK (as in only the "English" sub is available, not the two subs mentioned in the text file)

0x21 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 01: Wide] / LBA: 12313 / PTS: 00:00:42.980 / Delay: 42920ms
0x22 - Subtitle - English - [SubPicture 01: Letterbox] / LBA: 12314 / PTS: 00:00:42.980 / Delay: 42920ms
0x80 - Audio - AC3 / 5ch / 48kHz / DRC / Français / LBA: 10 / PTS: 00:00:00.060 / Delay: 0ms
0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 / 720x576 (PAL) / 16:9 / Letterboxed / LBA: 1 / PTS: 00:00:00.060 / Delay: 0ms

I will post the log on this one later.

[manono]

Hi-

The preview showed double subtitles

That's normal. Two sets are being displayed because one is being played from the .avs, and the others are the .idx/sub files in the movie folder. You were right to ignore the double subs.

I am now trying with the "enable stream processing" ticked

And extract the subs? Bad move. Guaranteed to get no subs through AutoGK. Plus, there will no longer be any subs to extract from the vob files later on.

You might try and get the subs through GKnot, in the Subtitle Tab. And then see if they show up when you run AutoGK's Preview. I don't know for sure that it will work, but it's only takes 10 minutes or so to find out. But it definitely won't work if you already took out the subs by using Stream Processing in DVDDecrypter. When done, open the idx file and make sure it has all the timestamps.

That Stream Information text file looks normal to me, but I don't know enough about them to be sure. This is a job for len0x.

[gorduser]

Ok, so you were right...nada, doesn't work that way either...

I have various issues here, which I think a part of the problem;

1: I don't think that AutoGK is installed correctly. I had a complete melt down installing the Beta, so went back to version 0.8, but this crashed last night - several times....I tried reinstalling, uninstalling, reinstalling...you know the routine - and it kept crashing...then suddenly it worked. - the installation crashed everytime if I tried to instal the "full" plugins - relating to AviUtil - It asked for the directory in the instal routine and I'm afraid that I was unable to find it. This led to the crashing of the remainder of the install (Somewhere around VirtualDubb?). Was this the point at which Vobsub installed??? - Anyway, gonna have another go today.

2: I did a rip using Gordian Knot - and got a sub and an .idx file - I think the idx file red 2KB and the .sub file read 0k and is empty on examination...is this about right? Virtual dub two pass Xvid, didn't give me subtitles burnt in...so no go there...Too many variables, I should probably work one programme out at a time.

3: I thought that if I managed to extract the subtitles I could then add them back to the finished AVI....But I have absolutely no clue what program I should be using or how to go about it....Various things come up when I search, but most relate to DVD and adding subtitles to them.

So...running out of ideas here, but very much appreciating the time and help...

a) What size should subtitle tracks be (approx) ?
b) how can i merge subtitles to an avi if I manage to get them out of the DVD?
c)Where is AviUtil on my HD, so that I can instal AutoGk correctly with all plugins.
d)I have DVDdecrypter 3.1.9.0 does this make a difference?

*edit this is the idx file for 3 colours red, which I got using Gordian Knot...does it shed any light?

# VobSub index file, v7 (do not modify this line!)
#
# To repair desyncronization, you can insert gaps this way:
# (it usually happens after vob id changes)
#
# delay: [sign]hh:mm:ss:ms
#
# Where:
# [sign]: +, - (optional)
# hh: hours (0 <= hh)
# mm/ss: minutes/seconds (0 <= mm/ss <= 59)
# ms: milliseconds (0 <= ms <= 999)
#
# Note: You can't position a sub before the previous with a negative value.
#
# You can also modify timestamps or delete a few subs you don't like.
# Just make sure they stay in increasing order.


# Settings

# Original frame size
size: 720x576

# Origin, relative to the upper-left corner, can be overloaded by aligment
org: 0, 0

# Image scaling (hor,ver), origin is at the upper-left corner or at the alignment coord (x, y)
scale: 100%, 100%

# Alpha blending
alpha: 100%

# Smoothing for very blocky images (use OLD for no filtering)
smooth: OFF

# In millisecs
fadein/out: 50, 50

# Force subtitle placement relative to (org.x, org.y)
align: OFF at LEFT TOP

# For correcting non-progressive desync. (in millisecs or hh:mm:ss:ms)
# Note: Not effective in DirectVobSub, use "delay: ... " instead.
time offset: 0

# ON: displays only forced subtitles, OFF: shows everything
forced subs: OFF

# The original palette of the DVD
palette: e83f07, e19120, f3c71b, f8ff18, 9bd22a, 54a530, 12eb12, 15bef6, 0300e3, 4c0353, c12262, ffffff, b3b3b3, 808080, 4e4e4e, 000000

# Custom colors (transp idxs and the four colors)
custom colors: OFF, tridx: 0000, colors: 000000, 000000, 000000, 000000

# Language index in use
langidx: 0

[manono]

Hi-

a) The idx will be 50-100 KB maybe, depending on how much dialog there is. The sub file might be 4-8 MB, again, depending on the amount of dialog. That's for one language. If there are multiple languages of subtitles, then they get bigger. So you didn't get any subs. But if you had already removed them with Stream Processing in DVDDecrypter, then there were no subs left to get. If that's what you did, you'll have to rip the vobs again (using DVDDecrypter with NO Stream Processing) and then have another go at it.

b) You can't, without reencoding. However, you can play them as separate, external subtitles, either the idx/sub files, or OCR'd to SSA or SRT formats (much smaller file sizes), through DirectVobSub. You have that installed already. You just have to make sure that they have the exact same name as your movie (MovieName.avi and MovieName.idx and MovieName.sub).

c) You don't need AviUtil, nor any of the Plugins that AutoGK offers to install. Actually, aren't they installed as part of the VobSub package (maybe VDubMod also)? Since you don't have AviUtil installed in the first place, then that must be why the install failed.

d) Yes. That's the one you should have. Some of the older ones don't work with AutoGK.

[gorduser]

I managed - using Gordian Knot ( The Vobsub part of Gordian Knott) - to get two subtitle files...

I am now seeing if with GK I can merge these into my avi...weird one this...I can only think that something is not setup or running properly.

[vascovaz]

I am portuguese and , obviously, I wnat my ripped movies with portuguese subtitles. I mus said that I have encountered the same problems as our french friend.

After ripping the DVD (with DVDshrink or DVD decrypter) I don´t see the option for portuguese subtitles on the Autogordianknot interface. But if I load the ripped IFO file with PowerDVD I can see the movie with the portuguese subtitles !

Regards

Vasco

[Jyx]

I also have problems getting the ripped text into the final *avi file.
I succeed to rip the idx and sub file with gordian knot. But i can't
get it into the final avi. And I've read the tutorial ;-)
I will try with some other movie some other time.
Anyway, I think that AutoGK is a great software.

[vascovaz]

After instaling the latest beta Autogordianknot I can preview the movie with portuguese subtitles and they even appear on the subtitles windows for beeing selected, but then ... when I want to start processing the film the I can´t select the "start" icon because it didn´t appear active !!

If I download to the 0.8 version I can access the "start" but the "portuguese" subtitles didn´t show up on the subtitles windows !! I can only get "english" subtitiles.

The most strange is that it is the same ripped DVD that I am trying to recoode with AUto G Knot beta or current version.


Regards


Vasco

[manono]

Hi vascovaz, and welcome to the forum-

Before encoding, you have to first "Add Job". And then the "Start" button becomes available to start the encoding. I'm glad the subtitles are working for you now.

Jyx-also welcome-

Open the idx file with Notepad. Is there anything in there besides the few lines of settings? Check gorduser's post with the settings 6 posts back. Are the timestamps in there below the settings? If not, then you don't have any subs. You didn't remove the subs in DVDDecrypter by chance (enable Stream Processing and select the subs)? And you don't have either "Display only forced subtitles" or "Use external subtitles" checked in the Advanced Settings, do you?

[vascovaz]

Thank You Manono, yes you said, now everything appears OK:)

Vasco Vaz

[Jyx]

Originally posted by manono
Jyx-also welcome-
Are the timestamps in there below the settings? If not, then you don't have any subs.

Thx for the greeting. My idx-file (link (http://gibbus.servequake.com/~jyx/BlackHawkDown.idx)) is about 46 KB, and it contains a lot
of lines like this (below the settings):

timestamp: 00:01:05:800, filepos: 000005000
timestamp: 00:01:12:360, filepos: 000006000
timestamp: 00:01:20:840, filepos: 000007800
timestamp: 00:01:32:920, filepos: 000009000

I also got a .sub file that is about 4.4 MB.
Originally posted by manono
You didn't remove the subs in DVDDecrypter ...? And you don't have either "Display only forced subtitles" or ..., do you?
No, no and no. I have the exact same settings as you have in this (http://len0xmirror1.serveftp.net/~len0x/tutorial/Pics/Advanced%20Options.jpg)
in your(?) tutorial. When I preview in gordian knot the subtitle works fine.
So I'm almost sure I've ripped the subtitle correct, what do you think?

When I start a preview (in AutoGK) the log windows says (when the preview
starts to play):

[2004-02-22 15:32:50] Indexing input for preview.
[2004-02-22 15:36:04] Indexing subtitles for preview.
[2004-02-22 15:39:08] Job finished.

But still no subtitles. Very strange I think. When I look at the three
lines above from the log I get the feeling that everything is correct.
But obviously something is going wrong.

[VanZan]

I'm having the same problem with subtitles...this time with a rip of Triple X.

I ripped the movie in ifo mode with DVD Decrypter and the stream information states there are english subtitles (there are many instances in the film where the Russian terrorists are speaking in their own language)

However when I start up AutoGK I cant select any subs...only "None"....I'm using 0.8


** Scratch that *** The very next thing I did was to update to 0.98b...and now I can select subtitles!!!