RA gives bitrates that are too high

[SiliconSoul]

i used MipSmooth filter on a dvd source with the big3 and used the bitrate RA gave me.... used the MovieLQ preset and im oversized. 4,701,166KB or 4,591MB.... it looks like this a problem with RA giving me the wrong bitrate...

i also used numenu to downsize the menu... before encoding

here is the RA bitrates
"C:\Winfast_workarea\dvdripping\sopranos.s1d2\SOPRANOS2\VTS__01_P01.16~9_1.AVS",0,9224,2235,0,6
"C:\Winfast_workarea\dvdripping\sopranos.s1d2\SOPRANOS2\VTS__01_P02.16~9_1.AVS",0,9224,2354,0,6
"C:\Winfast_workarea\dvdripping\sopranos.s1d2\SOPRANOS2\VTS__01_P03.16~9_1.AVS",0,9224,2264,0,6
"C:\Winfast_workarea\dvdripping\sopranos.s1d2\SOPRANOS2\VTS__01_P04.16~9_1.AVS",0,9224,2197,0,6

and the doitfast4u bitrates
"C:\Winfast_workarea\dvdripping\sopranos.s1d2\SOPRANOS2\VTS__01_P01.16~9_1.AVS",0,9224,2279,0,6
"C:\Winfast_workarea\dvdripping\sopranos.s1d2\SOPRANOS2\VTS__01_P02.16~9_1.AVS",0,9224,2279,0,6
"C:\Winfast_workarea\dvdripping\sopranos.s1d2\SOPRANOS2\VTS__01_P03.16~9_1.AVS",0,9224,2279,0,6
"C:\Winfast_workarea\dvdripping\sopranos.s1d2\SOPRANOS2\VTS__01_P04.16~9_1.AVS",0,9224,2279,0,6

here is my first avs
LoadPlugin("C:\Winfast_workarea\avsfilters\2.5\mipsmooth\MipSmooth.dll")
import("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.avs\addaudio.avs")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.avs\mpeg2dec3.dll")
Mpeg2Source("VTS__01_P01.16~9_1.d2v",idct=0)

AddAudio()
MipSmooth(preset = "MovieLQ")

all other avs are the same except for the third one... and here it is
import("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.avs\addaudio.avs")
LoadPlugin("C:\Winfast_workarea\avsfilters\2.5\mipsmooth\MipSmooth.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.avs\mpeg2dec3.dll")
Mpeg2Source("VTS__01_P03.16~9_1.d2v",idct=0)
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U\new.avs\decomb.dll")
Telecide()
Decimate(cycle=5)
AddAudio()
MipSmooth(preset = "MovieLQ")

P01 time = 56:40
P02 time = 49:52
P03 time = 51:23
P04 time = 48:53

please help! is it something wrong ive done or RA ? or the filter... i want to say it looks like RA gave too high bitrate... and the coitfast4u bitrate is closer to correct

this has happened before on the season1 disc 1 sopranos backup..

[69Mws]

RA calculates the bitrates somehow different than dif4u.

However dif4u calculations are more "cautios", meaning the risk of getting an oversized result is very low. Using the dif4u calculations mostly ended up in ~ 4.31 GB for me.

With RA I often had results that were 4.37 GB, which was very impressive, but however the risk of getting an oversized result is also higher with the calculations done by RA.

Greetz
69Mws

[SiliconSoul]

my total size including the downsized menu is 4.48 GB
is it because this is a TV dvd with 4 episodes that it is messing up and giving too much bitrate?

RA total size show it should have been 4462.83 MB
but when i bring it into nero it shows 4591 MB

is there ever going to be updates to RA?


maybe it is because i added filtering to the AVS?
i also used a trick i saw in a thread here to copy all the batchccews files over to docce4u dir and rename so that it used batchccews instead of docce4u.... thats how i was able to easily edit the avs
i did a 6 pass encode on each episode.

[Master Yoda]

I dont think theres gonna be any updates to ra.But the dif4u bitrates should be ok.....

[69Mws]

No idea, 4.48 is very, I never had such a big oversize :confused:

Biggest end result I had with ra was 4.40 GB on german R2 of American Wedding, but I could fix it afterwards by re-encoding the two commentary tracks down to 128 kbps :)

Greetz
69Mws

[SiliconSoul]

i hate to use the same bitrate on the longer episodes ... the RA bitrate seemed better till the size was huge! :)

[Master Yoda]

The only time i had a disc come out way oversized was a pal disc that had about 20 odd subs.I would say give the bitrates dif4u gave.Normally i use ra for caculation's, but if it has lots of subs or if it ends up over sized(only had one disc over sized). i use what dif4u gives as it seems to calculate the subs better.

[SiliconSoul]

the strange thing is that there are no subs... im going to use the dif4u bitrates anymore or find a better bitrate calculator one like RA that takes everything into consideration... happen to know one?

audio bitrates are 384 for 5.1 and 192 for 2 ch
and there are no subs...

[SiliconSoul]

what are the max megs that can fit onto a dvdr?

im using this setting in RA
4680000000 bytes (recommended)
and the total size says 4464.83MB
is that correct? or high from the start?

[SiliconSoul]

http://www.dvdrhelp.com/calc.htm

using this dvd bitrate calculator it gives an average bitrate of
2242 and max 9210

i gave it the total audio of 384 + 192 = 576
and 134 megs for menus

http://dvd-hq.info/Calculator.html

using this one it gives these results
same data as above
max: 8950
avg: 2200
min: 850

what it looks like is that RA is not calculating the audio bitrates correctly....

[SiliconSoul]

RA calculation are totaly screwed up
look at this
raw
1181.38 MB
muxed
1216.62 MB

so its showing that the audio is only 35.24 megs when it is really
233MB ... this is for the first PGC

or am i wrong in asumming that muxed means with audio?

and the overall MB is wrong...
reauthored size...

muxed: 4462.83 MB
Video_ts: 0 MB
total: 4462.83 MB


something is definately wrong... i do not understand how you guys are getting dvds that are the correct size... unless there are just bugs with RA and certain dvds

[SiliconSoul]

has anyone else noticed that RA is not using the correct size for the audio? or is this the first time it has happened?

[Fresh T.]

I've noticed that RA doesn't use the correct size for subtitles, i.e that it doesn't take account for it in some way. If you just use DIF4U -> DoCCE4U/BatchCCEWS -> RA (only for the .scp script) it works fine, 'cause DIF4U has a more accurate bitrate calculator.