changing/stripping language menu

[awe007]

hi,

i´m in some trouble with a language menu. it appears before the main menu and with it you can change the language of the root menu where you select the main movie.

i´ve read some guide from 2cool (thx for it) but i still can´t solve my problem. i know i can remove the menu with "remove playback" but after this the root menu ever starts in english and not in my desired language.

menu edit reports the following command
g[15] = 1, LinkTailPGC (button 0)

the menu has the following command table


[000000ec] Number of Pre Commands 7 [0007]
[000000ee] Number of Post Commands 17 [0011]
[000000f0] Number of Cell Commands 0 [0000]
[000000f2] Size of Command table in bytes 199 [00c7]
[000000f4] 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov SPreg<preferred audio language> [61 00 00 00 00 90 00 00 ]
[000000fc] 2.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25966> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=1] [20 a6 00 00 65 6e 04 01 ]
[00000104] 3.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<26226> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=3] [20 a6 00 00 66 72 0c 01 ]
[0000010c] 4.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<26996> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=4] [20 a6 00 00 69 74 10 01 ]
[00000114] 5.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25701> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=2] [20 a6 00 00 64 65 08 01 ]
[0000011c] 6.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25971> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=5] [20 a6 00 00 65 73 14 01 ]
[00000124] 7.Pre Command (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=1] [20 06 00 00 00 00 04 01 ]
[0000012c] 1.Post Command Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 00 00 0d 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000134] 2.Post Command Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<63> [71 00 00 0e 00 3f 00 00 ]
[0000013c] 3.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000144] 4.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000014c] 5.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<1> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<1> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 01 00 01 ]
[00000154] 6.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<1> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<69> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 45 00 01 ]
[0000015c] 7.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<2> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 02 ]
[00000164] 8.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<2> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<66> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 42 00 02 ]
[0000016c] 9.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<3> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 03 ]
[00000174] 10.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<3> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<67> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 43 00 03 ]
[0000017c] 11.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<4> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 04 ]
[00000184] 12.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<4> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<68> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 44 00 04 ]
[0000018c] 13.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000194] 14.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000019c] 15.Post Command (SetSTN) Set Audio Stream: GPreg<13> [41 00 00 8d 00 00 00 00 ]
[000001a4] 16.Post Command (SetSTN) Set Subpicture Stream: GPreg<14> [41 00 00 00 8e 00 00 00 ]
[000001ac] 17.Post Command (LinkPGCN) Link PGC 45 [20 04 00 00 00 00 00 2d ]


i don´t relay understand what happens! after pressing the button g15 is set to 1. the post command compares the value in g15 and therefore set g13 and g14 to different values (the one for the correct language). i don´t know if i understand it right....

perhaps someone can give me some hints (understanding the commands/ how to solve my problem). can i remove the menu and just add a new command to another menu to tell the dvd to play the root menu in my language. the other way could be to change the commands in the way to play the root menu directly without language menu...

unfortunaley at this moment i´ve no idea how to realize this..


thx for any help...

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
i´ve read some guide from 2cool (thx for it) but i still can´t solve my problem.Which guide are you referring too?

[2COOL]

@awe007
the other way could be to change the commands in the way to play the root menu directly without language menu...
How about trying this. Use MenuEdit and see what your language menu's buttons correspond to.

2.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25966> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=1][20 a6 00 00 65 6e 04 01 ]
3.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<26226> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=3][20 a6 00 00 66 72 0c 01 ]
4.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<26996> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=4][20 a6 00 00 69 74 10 01 ]
5.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25701> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=2][20 a6 00 00 64 65 08 01 ]
6.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25971> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=5][20 a6 00 00 65 73 14 01 ]

With the button of your choce go to Pre Command 1. Hexedit by double clicking on line and inputting the new values for the desired button.

OLD > 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov SPreg<preferred audio language> [61 00 00 00 00 90 00 00]

Button 1
NEW > 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<25966> [71 00 00 00 65 6e 04 00]

Button 2
NEW > 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<25701> [71 00 00 00 64 65 08 00]

Button 3
NEW > 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<26226> [71 00 00 00 66 72 0c 00]

Button 4
NEW > 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<26996> [71 00 00 00 69 74 10 00]

Button 5
NEW > 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<25971> [71 00 00 00 65 73 14 00]

[2COOL]

5.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<1> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<1> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 01 00 01 ]
6.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<1> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<69> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 45 00 01 ]
7.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<2> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 02 ]
8.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<2> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<66> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 42 00 02 ]
9.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<3> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 03 ]
10.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<3> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<67> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 43 00 03 ]
11.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<4> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 04 ]
12.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<4> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<68> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 44 00 04 ]


i don´t relay understand what happens! after pressing the button g15 is set to 1. the post command compares the value in g15 and therefore set g13 and g14 to different values (the one for the correct language). i don´t know if i understand it right....You are understanding it right. ;)

[awe007]

hi 2cool,

thx for the help but i don´t understand what you mean...looks like i´m a little bit confused

the button i press for my language is

button2

5.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25701> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=2][20 a6 00 00 64 65 08 01 ]

unfortunaley i dont understand this complete command. i thought gp 14 and gp 15 are the values for the menu and not gp0...
perhaps you´re so kind to explain the meaning of this command...

i tried something different but it doesn´t work. i found the command for the link to the pre language menu


[000000f4] 1.Post Command (LinkPGCN) Link PGC 4 [20 04 00 00 00 00 00 04 ]

i changed it to 51 where why german menu ist stored...ok that works..but when i press main movie in that menu the player ends...looks like there´s a problem when leaving out commands from the language menu..:-((


thx for your help...

added: hi just played around with settings...i replaced pre command 1-6 with just "nop"...but there no effect...i thought when doing this you can press a button but nothing happens....now im realy confused about the meaining of these commands...

thx

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
hi 2cool,

thx for the help but i don´t understand what you mean...looks like i´m a little bit confused

the button i press for my language is

button2

5.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25701> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=2][20 a6 00 00 64 65 08 01 ]
Your first precommand is currently checking the value of GPreg<0> and this should determine what menu to display when used for the following pre commands . Did you try hexediting only Pre Command #1 as I proposed? Do you know how to hexedit a command?

OLD > 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov SPreg<preferred audio language> [61 00 00 00 00 90 00 00]
NEW > 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<25701> [71 00 00 00 64 65 08 00]

Save and preview to test after editing.

[awe007]

hi just played around with settings...i replaced pre command 1-6 with just "nop"...but there no effect...i thought when doing this you can press a button but nothing happens....now im realy confused about the meaining of these commands...

the other thing is: how do you get the value "71 00 00 00 64 66 08 00"..?? i dont understand this...but i´ve changed the first pre command without any effect..the menu still appears and waits for my selection...


thx

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
5.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == (cmp-val)<25701> then (LinkPGN) Link Program 1, [button=2][20 a6 00 00 64 65 08 01 ]Hmmm...here's some info on this command. http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/linkpgn.php?p=4.

Can you find out what your button 2's command is? Use MenuEdit or DVDRemake demo. Just provide the hex value.

[awe007]

moreover i noticed the hax value produce set-val 25702 and not set-val 25701...


strange

thx

frank

[000000f4] 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<25702> [71 00 00 00 64 66 08 00 ]

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
moreover i noticed the hax value produce set-val 25702 and not set-val 25701...


strange

thx

frank

[000000f4] 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<25702> [71 00 00 00 64 66 08 00 ] Sorry! I did a typo. 66 should be 65. I'll go ahead and correct my previous post.

BTW, do you want your DVD to ALWAYS start with your German Menu?

[awe007]

ok i changed it but without any succes...it looks like it doens´t matter what command you enter the menu still appears and is waitung for the user choice..:-((


thx

frank

[2COOL]

OK. Have you checked out this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=67564). I know it could look intimidating at first.

[awe007]

thx for the info...i´ve read this tutorial but i haven´t tried it...all the commands..it´s confusing...in my view there must be an easy way just to store the value of the if condition as you said above...but i dont know why nothing happens when editing the pre commands. moreover just to jump directly to the german root menu doens´t work...perhaps i bypass with this some comamnds/value settings that are necessery for the proper working of the dvd....very difficult..:-((


thx for your help

frank

[2COOL]

This was actually my first proposal adn whenever you give a try, I'll help you out on whichever step you get stuck at. ;)

[awe007]

thx 2 cool,

you´re very kind and i think much people are very happy that you´ve helped them because u know really a lot....

i´m going on to play a little bit around with the settings..

by the way ...one mistake i made was not to change the still time from 255 (loop) to e.g. 10 sec....with this afters 10 sec the menu disappears but continues wit the default setting which then play the english root menu not the german..

anyway...thx for the quick help and the info with all commands...i think this will help me and perhaps i can solve the problem

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
by the way ...one mistake i made was not to change the still time from 255 (loop) to e.g. 10 sec....with this afters 10 sec the menu disappears but continues wit the default setting which then play the english root menu not the germanIf you were referring the bypassing guide I mentioned, you didn't insert a new Cell Command. This would've fix your default English menu from starting. If you don't want to blank out your Language menu (Omitting Steps 24 to 29), then I guess 10 seconds gives you some time to click on another language option if you are quick enough. So after 10 seconds, with no selection, your German Menu should display.

[awe007]

2cool,

you´re speaking about your
How to remove Aspect Ratio Menus! and Language Selection Start Menus too!
right..??

ok i´ll give it a try ...but honestly it looks very hard to understand at first sight....:-))

ok...let me summerize...the guide explain to change the starting point of the main menu..therefore when i do nothing as soons as the language menu appears afters e.g. 10 sec my german root menu comes up because i changed the starting point and therefore the german one is the default one...i hope i understand this right..?

ok....thx again..

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
you´re speaking about your
How to remove Aspect Ratio Menus! and Language Selection Start Menus too!
right..??Yes
ok...let me summerize...the guide explain to change the starting point of the main menu..therefore when i do nothing as soons as the language menu appears afters e.g. 10 sec my german root menu comes up because i changed the starting point and therefore the german one is the default one...i hope i understand this right..?I'm kinda deviating from the guide as the I'm trying to test something out. Yes, if you had successfully perform Steps 1 to 23, then the 10 secs you inputted instead of 0 in step 21 then, your German Menu should display. The Cell Command I have you inserting in Step 11, will execute your button 2's command automatically, instead of you having to manually select it in the Language Menu.

Again, if you didn't select anything, your German Menu should display. You would have 10 seconds to decide if you want any other menu besides German to display. If you want to do it this way, then in the guide, you can safely skip Steps 24 to 29. These steps are for actual menu removal.

[awe007]

hi,

ok i´ll try it...

there´s something strange...

i can nop all commands except

[000000f4] 1.Pre Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[000000fc] 2.Pre Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000104] 3.Pre Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000010c] 4.Pre Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000114] 5.Pre Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000011c] 6.Pre Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000124] 7.Pre Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000012c] 8.Pre Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000134] 1.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000013c] 2.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000144] 3.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000014c] 4.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000154] 5.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000015c] 6.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000164] 7.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000016c] 8.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000174] 9.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000017c] 10.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000184] 11.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000018c] 12.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[00000194] 13.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[0000019c] 14.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[000001a4] 15.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[000001ac] 16.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
[000001b4] 17.Post Command (LinkPGCN) Link PGC 45 [20 04 00 00 00 00 00 2d ]

the last one number 17. the menu still works and when i pres german the german root menu appears. i would ask you for your opinion. in my view this sound to the fact that the if condition that chooses to play german or not isn´t stored in this menu (where i have disabled all commands except the link pgc 45 command)..

strange..

thx

frank

[2COOL]

I still want to know what your German button's command is. ;)It's either setting a GPreg, jumping to another PGC-Menu, or both. Can you find out for me? This is a very important piece of information I need to try to understand your commands.

[awe007]

hi 2cool,


the button command as written in menu edit:

g[15] = 1, LinkTailPGC (button 0)

so if i understand it right when pressing the button g15 gets the value "1". but what is the meaning of LinkTailPGC (button 0).

perhaps this gives u an idea what is going on....i very confused by the fact that i deleted all commands except the last post command and the menu still works...

the last comman is (linkpgcn) link pgc 45
ok when i go to pgc-menu_45

there´s only one command

1.Pre Command (JumpSS VMGM) Jump to VMG PGC: 2 [30 06 00 02 00 c0 00 00 ] actually i dont relay understand the meaning of it...don´t know which jump the command causes..

thx again

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
the button command as written in menu edit:

g[15] = 1, LinkTailPGC (button 0)

so if i understand it right when pressing the button g15 gets the value "1". but what is the meaning of LinkTailPGC (button 0).I know you are struggling to understand what the commands mean and what they do but instead of me trying to educate you on DVD 101, here's a fantastic site for you to study till you drop. I've provided the link to your answer on LinkTailPGC.

http://www.dvd-replica.com/DVD/linktailpgc.php?p=1

Did you understand what LinkTailPGC is now? Your button command, in plain talk, is saying...Set Gpreg 15 to a value of 1 and go to the Post Command #1 of this menu's PGC Command Table. Also, no highlighting of buttons is set.

So going back to what you gave on the first page, Post Commands 5 & 6 are checking Gpreg 15 to see if it's value is 1 and since Gpreg 15 has been set to 1, then both of these commands are true. And a true command will be executed. So, since it's true Gpregs 13 and 14 are set accordingly with the different values and these values will, in other commands down the road, will also be compared. If you have any computer programming experience, understanding the logic is very easy. Remember, now only true commands will be executed, even if they are "Set" commands. I have highlighted the ones that have been executed for you.

1.Post Command Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 00 00 0d 00 00 00 00 ]
2.Post Command Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<63> [71 00 00 0e 00 3f 00 00 ]
3.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
4.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
5.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<1> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<1> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 01 00 01 ]
6.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<1> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<69> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 45 00 01 ]
7.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<2> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 02 ]
8.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<2> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<66> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 42 00 02 ]
9.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<3> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 03 ]
10.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<3> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<67> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 43 00 03 ]
11.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<4> then Set GPreg<13> mov (set-val)<0> [71 a0 0f 0d 00 00 00 04 ]
12.Post Command If GPreg<15> == (cmp-val)<4> then Set GPreg<14> mov (set-val)<68> [71 a0 0f 0e 00 44 00 04 ]
13.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
14.Post Command NOP [00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ]
15.Post Command (SetSTN) Set Audio Stream: GPreg<13> [41 00 00 8d 00 00 00 00 ]
16.Post Command (SetSTN) Set Subpicture Stream: GPreg<14> [41 00 00 00 8e 00 00 00 ]
17.Post Command (LinkPGCN) Link PGC 45 [20 04 00 00 00 00 00 2d ]


perhaps this gives u an idea what is going on....i very confused by the fact that i deleted all commands except the last post command and the menu still works...

the last comman is (linkpgcn) link pgc 45
ok when i go to pgc-menu_45

there´s only one command

1.Pre Command (JumpSS VMGM) Jump to VMG PGC: 2 [30 06 00 02 00 c0 00 00 ] actually i dont relay understand the meaning of it...don´t know which jump the command causes..Post Command 17 is the only jump command in this PGC Command table. Jump to VMG PGC: 2 means to navigate to Pre Command #1 in VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_2 / PGC Command Table. Whenever you see VMG (Video ManaGer), it pertains to your VIDEO_TS.IFO.

By the way, we were "working" on doing this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=67564) on creating a new Cell Command but it seems you have deviated from the game plan and went ahead and NOP'd your commands. What happened? Anyway, here's the translated hex command for your German button, [71 00 0d 0f 00 01 00 0d]. This is what you needed when hexediting that new Cell Command in the guide I mentioned above.

[awe007]

2 cool,

thx for the detailed information. finaly i solved the problem. with the help of the link you provided i was able to get the hex for the set g15=1 command. i inserted this command, blanked the menu and changed the endless loop....the result is a clean an straight way direct to my german menu without any bohtering interruptions.

again thx for help. afters some days the dvd programming language gets clearer. it is just a simple if then else command compared to my first steps in turbo pascal...hehe...the only thing that changed are the commands....

ok...

thx for your help....

frank

[2COOL]

@awe007

I'm glad we finally got success on this Language Selection start menu project. After doing a few, it should become alot easier for you now and there's also alot of DVDs out there with dual aspect ratio menus for you to work on, using the guide, to up your proficiency too. ;)

[awe007]

2cool,

thx for the help. as you said it after some other tries on different dvds you get used to it and you should be able to bypass the menu.

i´m following the way you mentioned.

a) search the vobid of the "menu-screen"
b) look which command is executed by pressing a certain button
c) add the command in the pre commands. most of the times you´ve only to insert a new store command such as g15=1 and then change the display time from 255 (loop) to lets say one second. moreover i blank out the language menu. the two movies i made with this method work perfectly.


thx for the help....the only problem which now occurs is a sonic scenarist error....looks like there´s a lot of more work to do...:-((

thx

awe007