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geffroman
1st February 2004, 20:09
UPDATE: DVDReMake 2.0 & DVDReMakePRO 2.0 is out! (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77541)




I have only spent a few minutes with DVDReMake Demo (http://www.dimadsoft.com/products.php?rfr=psu) . It appears this program could eventually allow me to replace three (3) programs with just one (1) tool.

Example:

I like BEST quality Video and Full Menus and Extras... This is just not always possible on a DVD-R 5. Case in point 007-James Bond Collection.

I keep full menus, but I put Special Features on their own disc much as the Studio does now with new 007 DVDs. The idea is to have the Special Features Disc start up in Special Features mode and behave as if it was a Bonus Disc all along.

1) - In the past I needed IFOEdit for edits.
2) - MenuEdit for Button deletions.
3) - VOBRator for viewing of PGCs to make my edit decisions.

It appears now I can do all my viewing of menus and video by Title Set/PGC/Program/& CELL. I can also make interactive edits to menu buttons without opening MenuEdit using DVDReMakes Preview window. I can see most everything IFOEdit shows me. I'm not sure this can replace IFOEdit for me but it will make some of my projects far simpler.

As others have said it also is a great interface for MenuEdit even if that's all you use it for. Now you can view the whole DVD in less time than MenuEdit can take to open just one VTS.

Dimad, I hope you keep with this project.

Questions:

1) - Is it your intention to allowing editing to the body of data that you are displaying?
2) - Will you be adding buttons for Expand All/Collapse All?
3) - Need to be able to select multiple buttons for Delete/Hide.
4) - Given time & developement could this be the logical GUI driven replacement to IFOEdit?

Regards... Jeff

2COOL
2nd February 2004, 22:26
The demo has a feature that was denied in free version of MenuEdit. This is the feature about viewing button commands. This is useful, for the moment, for Step 8 in this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=67564). ;)

maa
3rd February 2004, 01:06
You can see them in VobEdit you know , just can't change them if its a motion menu....

2COOL
3rd February 2004, 01:14
@maa

Originally posted by maa
You can see them in VobEdit you know , just can't change them if its a motion menu.... I can provide an unposted guide using VobEdit upon request for the time being but using the DVDRemake demo is much easier and faster. Of course, I use the demo for viewing purposes only.

VidHack
4th February 2004, 04:14
Hello All,

Dimad has released DVDReMake_068 Demo in the hopes of getting some user feedback and to show the program in its beta stages. To get the App to a stable Version 1, your support and feedback is needed. The people in this very forum were very instrumental in helping MenuEdit grow into the usefull tool we all enjoy. What is needed is lots of debug info from any demo users. The IFO parsing code has matured to the stage that it handles most DVD's, if not all. So, please readers of this thread, if ANY problems are found OPENING a DVD, Viewing the video, clicking buttons, basically anything...Post it here. Also, the project is growing and isn't finalized, so, please post your wishes or wants. It may be rolled into code and we all can benifit from the final App. I would like to of course thank DIMAD, for continuing to listen to us all, but for letting us "Have the Disk the way WE WANT IT" - Thanks.

VidHack

mikegun
4th February 2004, 14:01
hi,

I opened some disks without any problems (PAL/NTSC).
I understand that its important that the ifo-parsing works for opening a disk, but isn't the output the harder part ?

regards,

mikegun

maa
4th February 2004, 14:34
Well I have four examples of non-opening DVDs so the output doesn't really matter.....

(I reported to Dimad already)

mikegun
4th February 2004, 15:02
Originally posted by maa
Well I have four examples of non-opening DVDs so the output doesn't really matter.....



... obviously ;-)

anyway. I can't wait to test this. I really like the interface !

rgds.

mikegun

Dimad
12th February 2004, 00:10
Originally posted by geffroman
Dimad, I hope you keep with this project.


I'm trying to.


Questions:

1) - Is it your intention to allowing editing to the body of data that you are displaying?
2) - Will you be adding buttons for Expand All/Collapse All?
3) - Need to be able to select multiple buttons for Delete/Hide.
4) - Given time & developement could this be the logical GUI driven replacement to IFOEdit?
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1) yes.
2) it can be done
3) yes, it was this way with MenuEdit. Now it takes a mouse click to hide/delete a button, so I don't see much point in complicating interface by allowing multiple buttons selection. But if I'll hear this request often enough - I'll implement it.
4) It might be. Or may be Derrow will have time to develop IfoEdit futher and it will be more powerfull and easier to use then DvdReMake. We will see. DvdReMake is designed in a way that it shoud be fairly easy to add more features to it. It just a question of "time & development efforts".

mikegun
17th February 2004, 13:42
hi,

I had a look at the latest demo and I can't see how to "unhide"
items. this would be very useful if you accidently hide an item.

regards,

mikegun

Dimad
18th February 2004, 21:25
Originally posted by mikegun
I had a look at the latest demo and I can't see how to "unhide"
items. this would be very useful if you accidently hide an item.


There is no "undo" available at the moment. For sure it is one of the features on DvdReMake todo list. As a workaround one can use "Save" or "Save as..." and "Open" to save/open edited project.


Have anybody tried DvdReMake demo on older computers running win95 or 98 (especially if there is not much memory installed on them)? Do you experience any problems?

Federicos
19th February 2004, 15:00
Hi,
i'm using the demo to understand well the structure of the dvd.
An idea for a (4 me) useful feature: the ability to copy the instructions shown in the upper right window.
The parsing is more clean than ifoedit and, for now, i'll have to switch between the 2 progs to find and modify some instructions...copying end printing them will be a great help.

Thanks.

Dimad
19th February 2004, 21:47
It will be possible to edit commands directly in DvdReMake soon. All commands (all flavors and various combinations of set and if) will be supported. I guess, it might be an end to hex command editing :)

Command coping and pasting will also be supported.

Acerjen
2nd March 2004, 05:02
I am having trouble getting American Wedding to import into DVDReMake.
Get to Titleset 5 and tells me "incorrect tileset". this is on a fresh rip using DVD Decrypter. Any ideals?


Thanks,
Later.

mikegun
2nd March 2004, 09:23
hi,

I can not open an project created with 0.6x with the latest (1.0)version ?!

regards,

mikegun

Dimad
2nd March 2004, 10:43
Hi, everyone!

DvdReMake 1.0 is finaly released. There is no guide yet :(, but it is coming.
Actually the only thing to know about how to use DvdReMake is that you need to "right click" on the item you want to change. :) Everything is done through pop-up menus.


MenuEdit users can upgrade to DvdReMake from their DimadSoft account.

I can not open an project created with 0.6x with the latest (1.0)version ?!

Yes, unfortunately had to change drp format :( for release 1. Some info about dvd was not saved old way, and this could result in incorrect LinkCN command when disk is exported after editing. I hope there will be no more such changes for future releases.


I am having trouble getting American Wedding to import into DVDReMake. Get to Titleset 5 and tells me "incorrect tileset". this is on a fresh rip using DVD Decrypter. Any ideals?


DvdReMake creates a log file in the directory where it is started from. What does it say in DvdReMake.log?

Could please everybody who wants to submit bug report attach DvdReMake.log file? Thanks.

mikegun
2nd March 2004, 13:18
hi,

as there is no forum on the dimad-site so far I hope we can discuss all issues concerning dvdremake here.

regards,

mikegun

Rimmer
3rd March 2004, 00:52
I purchased menuedit a couple of weeks ago and love it. Just stumbled upon this post and got the demo of dvdremake.
This looks just as good if not better :) especially as you don't have to open each VTS seperately.
Question.
In menuedit after replacing cells etc of intros or whatever you had to run it through ifoedit to correct it. Pardon me for asking but does DVDremake take care of it now? As the Gui is far easier especially for someone like me with limited ifoedit knowledge.

Wish List
1)Maybe an option to preview movie parts with sound in VTS sets with Play, FF, RW options etc.
2)To be able to remove unwanted audio streams ie 5.1 or DTS or directors commentry.
Cheers

Rimmer
3rd March 2004, 02:39
Ok just done my first project with it. Slight hiccup. Played in two software DVD players and ifoedit.
I have removed some of the bonus features.

1)Navigate to bonus features.
2)Buttons go from top to bottom. Default button 1 on bonus i have hidden along with button 2. Kept button 3 for outtakes and return button. So far so good.
The next section is the problem.
3)When navigates to outtakes I kept default button 1, 2, 3 and return but deleted 4 (Top to bottom again)
When I arrive at this screen the button will not stay over/next to any button positon when hovered over with mouse or navigated to with arrow keys, it flashes briefly then goes away but if i select the button it works.

Is this user error or program?

Thx

Dimad
3rd March 2004, 10:16
Originally posted by Rimmer

Question.
In menuedit after replacing cells etc of intros or whatever you had to run it through ifoedit to correct it. Pardon me for asking but does DVDremake take care of it now? As the Gui is far easier especially for someone like me with limited ifoedit knowledge.


Yes, that is the biggest difference between DvdReMake and MenuEdit.

When dvd is imported DvdReMake parses all ifos and checks if information in them corresponds to vob files. Quite often (even in professionaly authored disks) there is a mismatch between info in ifo and vob files. In this case vob files are parsed to tetermine correct info.

Actually, this may be used as an "undocumented" feature. You can replace vob files with whatever you like or even delete them. DvdReMake will use cells found in new vobs (by vob/cell id), or automatically substitute blanks if some cell listed in ifo is not found in vob files.

When modifyed disk (or should I say butchered? as it is not yet possible to add new things like titlesets, titles, PGS, etc) is exported, DvdReMake recreates all ifo files from scratch so that they correspond to the modified disk.

All timings and offsets in nav packs in vob files are also almost completely recreated (even if cells are not cut). May be one of this timings is computed/written incorrectly (like "Highlight end time").

Are you comfortable with VobEdit? Can you compare first nav-pack of original and modified cells with menu where you have problem?

Rimmer
3rd March 2004, 10:36
Ta for the reply dimad. Love the prog so far.
I have never used Vobedit, but I'll give it a go to see if I can understand it.
I'll try anything once, twice if I like it ;)
Ok just tried the disc from the above post. Ok, until you get to bonus features/outtakes then freezes. So I assume its a problem/bug with the program. Is it possible to run it through ifoedit or something to correct it. What can I do?
Thx

Dimad
3rd March 2004, 12:36
Could you please decribe in more details what you were doing?

I assume that you rip a whole disk with something like DVD decrypter,
then without doing anything to it import disk to DvdReMake.

What is next? Do you hide/cut any cells in menus? In movie?

As I understand you modify 2 menus (say A and B).
On A there 4 buttons, you've hidden (or deleted?) buttons #1 and #2.
On menu B there are also 4 buttons and you've deleted (hidden?) button #4.

After that when you play exported by dvdremake disk in software player it shows all menus ok (menu A as well), but does not show hihlights (shows briefly) when you get to menu B.

When played in standalone you can get to menu A (are highlights ok?) and select button to go to menu B. Then it freezes? Or it goes to B? If so, can you see highlights on B?

Do you "hide" or "delete" buttons? Deleting changes numbers on buttons after the deleted one.

Do you use any other program before/after DvdReMake to modify disk content?

Rimmer
3rd March 2004, 19:54
Ok this is my method.
1)Rip entire disc in file mode via DVD decrypter.
2)Import disc into dvdremake - Basic mode.
3)Hide two blocks in video manager 0.02mb & 0.11 files.
4)VTS 1- Main movie and menus. In bonus features menu there are 4 buttons 1 at top 4 at bottom. Hide button 1 & 2 leaving button 3-link to outtakes and button 4 return.
5)Still in VTS 1 outtakes menu. 5 buttons 1 top 5 bottom, hide button 4 leave the rest.
6)Hide two blocks in VTS 2 bonus features from point 4above (movie files).
7)Hide block in VTS 3 the movie file from hidden button in point 5.
8)Hide block in VTS 6 - Movie file after intro then leads to Disc menu after it plays.
9)Hide 2 blocks in VTS 7.

Files in VTS sets -
Video manager-Warning file 0.11mb , & 0.02mb file, & 0.1mb file
VTS1-Main movie files & menus
VTS2-5 bonus movie files & 0.01mb file
VTS3-1 bonus movie file & 0.01mb file
VTS4-1 bonus movie file & 0.01mb file
VTS5-1 bonus movie file & 0.01mb file
VTS6-1 bonus movie file & 0.01mb file
VTS7-2 bonus movie file & 0.01mb file

Then export movie.
Results - Play movie in software player.
a)Navigate to bonus. First two buttons that were hidden in point 4 are hidden and pointer next to buttons appears, stays on screen or moves if you navigate to return. = OK
b)Navigate to outtakes. When you press up on remote or hover over with mouse, no little cursor stays next to any of the buttons where we hide button 4 in point 5 but you can still select the outake and it works. Its just the cursor next to the button doesn't stay active/in place.

After this I just burn if under 4.3 or encode. I do not put it through any other software to modify disk content.
Just burning it now to test it in a standalone.

PS Just found 2 bug's in prog.

If I highlight a block in video manager to play/scroll through in window as if to browse a movie, I cannot even though its a few seconds long. Then if I then go to one of my blocks in main movie VTS I cannot scroll through them either. I then have to close program then reimport movie. But if I go to main movie blocks first I can scroll through.
Also if I also do the above, then click on one of the blocks in video manager then (imagine there are 20 or so movie blocks in vid manager) then you would use the slidebars to view the movie blocks. If i catch the little grey bar next to the left arrow "<" it drags over the slidebar and you get multiple little grey bars.http://groups.msn.com/RimmersPics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1
The only way to sort this is ti restart prog too.
Thx

EDIT: Just burnt. Plays ok until Menu B Outtakes. Player freezes only way to get out it to press menu or title etc.
When navigated to menu b the little cursor briefley appears (1 second) next to the button then goes off and player then freezes.

Hope thats enough detail for you Dimad.

Rimmer
3rd March 2004, 23:41
Ok thought I'd give another a go with a different disc. Navigation not working on this one :(
Set up is going to scene selection when it should be going to movie setup audio selection.

jir591
4th March 2004, 03:32
What is the difference between hide button and delete button?

Dimad
4th March 2004, 08:00
Originally posted by jir591
What is the difference between hide button and delete button?

Here is an explanation (Q#2): http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=57186
"Delete" does the same as "remove button" in MenuEdit, "hide" is "hide + jump to non deleted".

@Rimmer
I have two news for you: good and bad :)
Good: I've double checked vob export code - everything seams ok.
Bad: I can't reproduce your problems. Could you please make a zip for me with:
all original ifo files + vob file with original cell where there are highlight problems;
same things exported by DvdReMake;
DvdReMake.log file;

You can easily get vob file with needed cell by opening it in MenuEdit and deleting everything else (hint: start deleting from the end). You said it is a still - should not be very big. Send it to dimad at dimadsoft dot com.

Are you sure you "hide" buttons? This should not affect navigation in any way.

Rimmer
4th March 2004, 10:37
Ok Dimad files are on their way.
I always hide files/blocks not delete.
Ta

Dimad
4th March 2004, 12:08
thanks a lot for files. It was a problem with end highlight time. It was setting it right, but to incorrect value :) (in some cases). Try 1.0.1, I think problem with highlights and freezing (not been able to select anything on menu) is fixed.

RB
4th March 2004, 12:46
Dimad, congratulations! This looks incredibly good. Should upgrade from MenuEdit real soon :)

Something that immediately popped to my mind when I saw DVDReMake... you seem to be able to get every bit of information about the DVD structure, including button commands etc. Now in addition to the ability to export the "butchered" DVD, what about a "Demux" export that demuxes all assets and at the same time creates a Scenarist script recreating the complete original structure? I know that means a ton of work, but it would become the ultimate "DoItAllAndDoItRight4U" almost one-click app ;)

Or as an alternative, given what you have already accomplished, maybe you are the one who could eventually write a working "Remux M2V" function that would remux an M2V with different GOP structure into the original VOBs...


When dvd is imported DvdReMake parses all ifos and checks if information in them corresponds to vob files. Quite often (even in professionaly authored disks) there is a mismatch between info in ifo and vob files. In this case vob files are parsed to tetermine correct info.
I hope this doesn't "fix" the frame count for still images/still menus in the IFO? As you may know, in these cases the IFO usually reports something like 12 frames or so but there is only a single (or a series of) I-Frames for the still pictures.

jir591
4th March 2004, 14:07
Dimad,

So I can remove / change the functionality of the button but I can't remove / change the button label (play, deleted scene, etc) from the menu. Is that correct?

Dimad
4th March 2004, 14:18
Originally posted by RB
Dimad, congratulations! This looks incredibly good. Should upgrade from MenuEdit real soon :)


Thanks. I hope from now on it will get "even better" as most misterious part -dvd bits and pieces- is done. There might be some more small things, like Rimmer found, here and there not noticed during beta testing, but it is just a question of someone running into it and reporting.

Have to say A HUGE THANKS, I mean A HUGE THANKS, to MPUCoder for the information on his site and time he spend answering my tedious e-mails. And of course to beta testers (hey you know who you are :) If you want, just let me know and I'll put your names/nicks here as well :) ).


Something that immediately popped to my mind when I saw DVDReMake... you seem to be able to get every bit of information about the DVD structure, including button commands etc. Now in addition to the ability to export the "butchered" DVD, what about a "Demux" export that demuxes all assets and at the same time creates a Scenarist script recreating the complete original structure? I know that means a ton of work, but it would become the ultimate "DoItAllAndDoItRight4U" almost one-click app ;)


Well, it might be easier then you think (or may be more complex then I think ;) ). Problem is, I've never worked with Scenarist and I don't have specs of scenarist scrips.


Or as an alternative, given what you have already accomplished, maybe you are the one who could eventually write a working "Remux M2V" function that would remux an M2V with different GOP structure into the original VOBs...

Actually that is the thing I was wondering about for a long time (since replace cell was added to MenuEdit). Why should one bother with GOP structure. Dvd basically is a set of rules to navigate between pieces - vob cells. Replace cell with some other cell (does not metter how it was created as long as it is valid VOB) with all the needed streams and that is it. I don't have much experience with this, but don't tell me (I will not beleive it anyway :) )that there is no program that can correctly multiplex video, audio(s) and subpicture(s) into one vob cell.


I hope this doesn't "fix" the frame count for still images/still menus in the IFO? As you may know, in these cases the IFO usually reports something like 12 frames or so but there is only a single (or a series of) I-Frames for the still pictures.

I'm not sure I understand. DvdReMake looks into vob to find out what is its duration and uses this as playback time to write into ifo.

Dimad
4th March 2004, 14:22
Originally posted by jir591
So I can remove / change the functionality of the button but I can't remove / change the button label (play, deleted scene, etc) from the menu. Is that correct?
You are right. At the moment DvdReMake (just like MenuEdit) can't modify video (or as a matter of fact any other stream).

Edited: Sorry, not exactly right. DvdReMake can cut cells, so in a way it is streams modification.

Acerjen
4th March 2004, 14:57
Dimad,

Another useful program. Thanks for all the time and effort you are
putting into this. I like the remuxing a .M2V file ideal that another
user had. That would be aewsome to encode a video using CCE and remux it in. That is the one thing that IfoEdit never did correctly. If you can make it happen, it would be greatly appreciated. And I am sure that I am not the only one that would appreciate it. Either way, thanks again.

On another note, I am a user of your other program, MenuEdit. Use it every week. Thanks. I am going to upgrade to the registered version of DVDReMake, but I won't be able to do so till next Friday, my next pay day. Will your prices remain the same till then? Just curious.

Thanks again. Take care. Later.


Acerjen

RB
4th March 2004, 16:11
Originally posted by Dimad
Well, it might be easier then you think (or may be more complex then I think ;) ). Problem is, I've never worked with Scenarist and I don't have specs of scenarist scrips.

I'm sure a lot of people like D3s7 (SceneAid), Eyes Only (DIF4U) and myself would be glad to help. The Scenarist scripts are basically structured text files and not too difficult to understand.


Actually that is the thing I was wondering about for a long time (since replace cell was added to MenuEdit). Why should one bother with GOP structure. Dvd basically is a set of rules to navigate between pieces - vob cells. Replace cell with some other cell (does not metter how it was created as long as it is valid VOB) with all the needed streams and that is it. I don't have much experience with this, but don't tell me (I will not beleive it anyway :) )that there is no program that can correctly multiplex video, audio(s) and subpicture(s) into one vob cell.


Well, of course there are such programs. Scenarist and Maestro for instance. Problem is they cost a huge amount of money. My point was that we should be able to avoid these complex programs and the tedious task of breaking the DVD completely apart and then reauthor the whole thing including complicated things like BOV. We still need to do this if we tried to use the "replace cell" feature because as you say, it needs to be taken from a valid VOB with all the streams present. It should be possible to remux a reencoded M2V into the original VOBs and at the same time of course, strip unwanted audio/sub streams. But AFAIK this is a big problem because a lot of things need to be readjusted.


I'm not sure I understand. DvdReMake looks into vob to find out what is its duration and uses this as playback time to write into ifo.
OK, this may then destroy still pictures, unless we have a misunderstanding.

Let me describe how you author a "slide show" in Scenarist, for example. You create a track and add several still pictures (bitmap files). You can "stretch" every bitmap to play for a specific time. Let's say you add 3 pictures and set each to play for 30 seconds. In the final IFO, the still show will be a single cell with a playback time of 00:00:01:30 BUT the VOB cell will actually have only 3 single I-Frames. Now if you "fix" that, the viewer's experience will be limited ;)

Similar for "still shows" and "still menus" (in Scenarist terms). A still show is similar to a slide show (multiple still pictures represented as single I-Frames in a single cell in the VOB) except that you can't specify their playback time. The final cell will have the "Restricted" flag set in the IFO and the user needs to press the enter key on the remote to skip through the still images. A still menu again is a cell with a single I-Frame representing the menu picture and the required subpicture and highlight stream and the "Still Time" in the IFO will be set to 255. For both still shows and still menus, Scenarist sets the playback time to 12 frames in the IFO no matter what.

Dimad
4th March 2004, 17:31
I'm sure a lot of people like D3s7 (SceneAid), Eyes Only (DIF4U) and myself would be glad to help. The Scenarist scripts are basically structured text files and not too difficult to understand.
Sure, I'll put it on to do list. As soon as I'm done with "basic" functionality I would like to have in DvdReMake I will play with this. Is there any "printed" document on this subject, so that I can read it in my spare time (when I have time but can't get hold of computer:) )

Similar for "still shows" and "still menus" (in Scenarist terms). A still show is similar to a slide show (multiple still pictures represented as single I-Frames in a single cell in the VOB) except that you can't specify their playback time.

May be it is not possible to specify playback time in Scenarist, but as far as I understand each vobu in the cell has some playback time (it has start presentation time and end presentation time fields). So what actually happens to stills: they play for as long as specifeid in vobu, then last frame freezes for specified amount of seconds (or inf). By the way what is happening to sound then? I guess it just stops. Anyway, if you look into PGC that has a one I frame cell and still time (say 3 sec), then cell duration is 12 frames (.5 sec - vobu duration) and same is PGC duration.



The final cell will have the "Restricted" flag set in the IFO and the user needs to press the enter key on the remote to skip through the still images. A still menu again is a cell with a single I-Frame representing the menu picture and the required subpicture and highlight stream and the "Still Time" in the IFO will be set to 255. For both still shows and still menus, Scenarist sets the playback time to 12 frames in the IFO no matter what.

According to MPUCoder:

Restricted play is normally set for menues to prevent fast
forward/reverse from flying by them. It is not enough to prohibit the
operation, as the skipping could be started outside the cell.

RB
4th March 2004, 20:05
Originally posted by Dimad
Sure, I'll put it on to do list. As soon as I'm done with "basic" functionality I would like to have in DvdReMake I will play with this. Is there any "printed" document on this subject, so that I can read it in my spare time (when I have time but can't get hold of computer:) )

Sorry, I'm not aware of any official docs on the Scenarist .SCP format.

About the playback time issue: please ignore everything I said :) I was completely on the wrong track, thought you were simply counting frames.

Rimmer
4th March 2004, 22:27
Firstly I'd like to say A Massive thanks to you Dimad. The new update worked. This program is 1st Class.

Only the issue I posted earlier about the slidebar at the bottom and the clicking on items in video manager then trying to view individual movie cells in VTS set.
After clicking/right click to "hide item" item in vid manager it is impossible to use the slidebar at bottom to scroll through an individual movie cell once you have clicked on a cell in Vid manager.
This is what my slidebar looked like after exporting the DVD --->http://groups.msn.com/RimmersPics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=3

The slidebar became see through as well as the '<' icon disappearing.

Dimad,
Do you think you'll be able to implement a player with sound into it that gives the user the same controls as in software player or ifoedit?
Can it be made possible to remove audio streams too?
These additions would make this in my opinion one of the best backup tools around.

Rimmer
5th March 2004, 05:08
Do you think you'll be able to implement a player with sound into it that gives the user the same controls as in software player or ifoedit?
One of the reasons why I ask if you can implement some sort of player is that I have just had a go with my second disc and the results differ in different software DVD players.

PowerDVD XP
When the title button is pressed or when the movie plays from begining the little cursor next to "English" lights for a second then goes off, but you can press play to enter. On original it stays on screen untill you make a choice, whether you choose english or Dutch etc.
When I select disc setup button the menu navigates to the wrong menu, it goes to scene selection instead of setup.

Instant Cinema
The little cursor doesn't show up on this one at all on title screen, but the setup button navigates to the correct screen.

A man of your talent must be able too sort this ;)

mikegun
5th March 2004, 06:59
hi,

the last 2 disks I "remade" didn't play correctly in my dvd player.
the disk is recognized by the player, but no picture. it's like
the menu is missing (which is not because it's there when I play the disk in my pc). on one disk I can press next and the movie is beginning, the other is not working at all.

regards,

m.

Dimad
5th March 2004, 07:28
Originally posted by Rimmer
I have just had a go with my second disc and the results differ in different software DVD players. ... Do you think you'll be able to implement a player ...?

So that you will have third one different from first two (and hence more confusion)? ;)

If seriously, I've never thought of adding sound playback in DvdReMake, and I don't think I'll make a player (i.e. something that plays with normal speed), but there are plans to have a ... (well, I'm not sure when it will be done, so lets call it a thing), which will let user trace dvd navigation.

2COOL
5th March 2004, 07:46
@Dimad

Originally posted by Dimad
...but there are plans to have a ... (well, I'm not sure when it will be done, so lets call it a thing), which will let user trace dvd navigation. Sounds like a command debugger to me. Derrow said it couldn't be done with IfoEdit due to the limitation of the DVD player. Here's that old thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37545). I've a feeling it's possible and I hope you can successfully come up with one. ;)

Dimad
5th March 2004, 07:49
:)

Rimmer
5th March 2004, 09:33
About the Player,
I thought maybe if you added a player that is part of DVDRM it may give you the exact answer as to what the finished DVD will end up playing like. Also to tell you exactly what parts you need to delete. Sometimes its just easier If you can hear the audio too as you scroll through the video.

What about being able to remove audio tracks, will you be able to add that so that you dont have to open up ifoedit to remove them in there as it means writing the Vob files twice. Once in DVDRM and then In ifoedit.
....or is it ok to remove audio tracks in Instant Copy 8? I know people say removing video etc can cause some players to hang in IC, but seeing as I have already hidden the buttons in DVDRM that would normally navigate to the other soundtrack I don't see how it would be able to freeze.
What do you guys think?

Dimad, any idea on the slidebar/video manager bug? Have you managed to re-create this problem?

Just authoring the first disc since 1.0.1. I'll let you know how I go on.

maa
5th March 2004, 09:47
Originally posted by 2COOL
Derrow said it couldn't be done with IfoEdit due to the limitation of the DVD player.

LOL - I've been pestering various software authors for a command debugger that stops before each command and shows / asks if it should be executed - I think Dimad can do it!

Heres the newest release of DVDTray Player with very good IFO analysis debug info (released yesterday):
DVD Tray Player Pro v1.6 (http://www.mmbforums.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4543)
Its a good companion for any authoring work.

Dimad
5th March 2004, 10:16
Originally posted by Rimmer
What about being able to remove audio tracks, will you be able to add that...?
Eventually, but as you say it is possible to do it with ifo edit and other apps., so I would prefer to concentrate on some other features which are not available in other apps.


Dimad, any idea on the slidebar/video manager bug? Have you managed to re-create this problem?
No, not yet. I'll add some more output to log file in next upgrade which might help resolving the problem. By the way, are there any messages in DvdReMake.log file?

What system you are running it on? There were no problems observed on NT, 2K, XP.

Rimmer
5th March 2004, 17:58
I'm running XP pro SP1.
Ok i've run a couple of scenarios.
This is exactly as it happens.
1)Open a project.
2)If you click any movie cell it is possible to use slidebar to scroll through movie in cell.
3)Go to Vid manager and left click to highlight a movie cell.
4)Go back to any move cell, it is still possible to scroll through movie.
BUT
5)If you open, go to any movie cell scroll, scroll ok.
6)Go back to Vid manager highlight a cell important partleft click on slidebar and try to move from side to side as if it was a movie cell and you were trying to scroll through movie.
7)Now go back to a movie cell the slidebar before was a tiny little line, now it is one big bar and it is now impossible to scroll through same movie cell as you could before.

There are no messages which may indicate an error in logfile.
Pics of fault ---->

Before Faulthttp://groups.msn.com/RimmersPics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4

After Fault http://groups.msn.com/RimmersPics/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=5

Federicos
6th March 2004, 13:32
WOW !!!!!!
I love you guys !!!!!
I was looking for a debugger a lot of time ago.
I tought to ask Dimad if it could implement a such feature in DvdRemake, and now i read the post of maa, telling about a program with this feature :)))
Maybe i can solve my problems with it...i hope yes :)
I have no words...
With the help of 2Cool, Dimad, Maa, and the other people that post here i can understand, little by litte, a lot of things about dvd reauthoring.

Thank you to everybody :)

addie
6th March 2004, 16:57
Is this program more compatible than dvdstripper for cell replacement? One of my players locks everytime it reads the DS replacement even when I've tried picking different cells, but its never had a problem with retail disks or edited conformant backups the likes of which are beyond me.

If I could test it in the standalone I would know whether to upgrade for sure. I don't want to make the same mistake as with DS of not trying before I buy.

Think I'll try DVD Tray Player Pro v1.6

Rimmer
6th March 2004, 17:30
addie Is this program more compatible than dvdstripper for cell replacement?

Well Addie,
I have never used DVD Stripper before but the DVD's I have put through DVDRM have worked on all my set tops with no problem.

Dimad
9th March 2004, 23:55
Follow up on
Originally posted by mikegun
the last 2 disks I "remade" didn't play correctly in my dvd player.
the disk is recognized by the player, but no picture. it's like
the menu is missing (which is not because it's there when I play the disk in my pc). on one disk I can press next and the movie is beginning, the other is not working at all.


mikegun done a nice job helping to figure out what is wrong. Two problems were identified:
- he has hidden a menu cell with buttons. There were commands in PGC that loop this cell and all what was shown is a black screen without any way of getting out (since the only way out was to select menu item).


Generaly it is not good idea to hide blocks with buttons unless they have infinite still time - then dvdremake will remove still time and there is a chance that there are no loops.

It is much safer to just "cut from" first frame. You will still have a picture, all buttons will be awailable to navigate from the menu and it will take less space.

- some strange behaviour (at least to me) of his player. There were 2 language units on the disk EN and DE. DvdReMake exported disk with both LU plays fine. If DE language unit deleted - plays fine. If EN - player does not like it.

Anybody seen something like this?

Rimmer
10th March 2004, 09:36
Originally posted by Dimad
Follow up on


Generaly it is not good idea to hide blocks with buttons unless they have infinite still time - then dvdremake will remove still time and there is a chance that there are no loops.

It is much safer to just "cut from" first frame. You will still have a picture, all buttons will be awailable to navigate from the menu and it will take less space.


Eg.
If I have a Main menu screen that has say "Play movie, Audio Setup, Extras and Trailers"
I may want to delete all "Extras" so therefore can I not hide the "Extras" button then find all the subsequent "Extras" menus/movie cells and hide all the blocks that correspond to that button. I.e. Deleted scenes, alternate ends menus and movie Cells etc?

If so its a pain because in the past I have removed movie VTS cells/sets in IC8 but wanted to be able to remove the menus that relate to these cells. When I used IC8 to remove movie cells they always have played correctly but you could navigate through a number of menus screens maybe even up to five sometimes then finally get to your destination hit select on a menu button then nothing happened like freeze or crash it just looped back on itself.
I wanted to be able to remove these menu screens leading onto one another not just hide the buttons leading to them.

The few I have created so far in DVDRM with menu screens with buttons on that I have hidden blocks, have all played so far. Am I just lucky? :D

Thanks again Dimad.

Ps Do you know if anyone is/are going to do a guide to using DVDRM so that people will know what it can do and what not to do?

Dimad
10th March 2004, 16:18
... hide the "Extras" button then find all the subsequent "Extras" menus/movie cells and hide all the blocks that correspond to that button. I.e. Deleted scenes, alternate ends menus and movie Cells etc?

Of course it is ok to hide blocks (actually even delete them completely) if you can ensure that they will never get played.

It is safe to hide menu transitions - menus without buttons, but mikegun has hidden menu with buttons which was playing - that is not safe.

Dimad
10th March 2004, 16:32
Do you know if anyone is/are going to do a guide to using DVDRM so that people will know what it can do and what not to do?

VidHack has offered his help on this but it looks like he is very busy at the moment. Do you want to do it? :)

Problem with guides is that I write normal text much slower then code :) and in the time frame it would take me to do a guide I can add some nice features to DvdReMake.

I'll finish "replace block" and "support for interleaved cells which are not part of an angle block" this week and will try to write some "quick start" quide this weekend (although personaly I would prefer to finish off "edit PGC commands").

Dimad
12th March 2004, 10:08
DvdReMake 1.1 is out. Big thanks to everybody who provided comments, suggestions and bug reports.

It is confirmed that VidHack is busy and will not be able to work on guide for some time :(, but :) another user was kind enough to offer some help with this. I'll also try to put some words together.

Oldeman
13th March 2004, 23:20
To all you DVD hackers who have laboured with IFoedit trying to figure out and change the navigation layout of a complicated DVD....

Take a look at DvdReMake. It has an easy to use interface to find and change menu navigation options. In addition to all the MenuEdit capabilities, it gives a great "top down" view of the DVD 's navigation layout.

It also has video trimming options.

Check it out, I think you'll be impressed....

The Oldeman

2COOL
14th March 2004, 06:55
Originally posted by Oldeman
To all you DVD hackers who have laboured with IFoedit trying to figure out and change the navigation layout of a complicated DVD....

Take a look at DvdReMake. It has an easy to use interface to find and change menu navigation options. In addition to all the MenuEdit capabilities, it gives a great "top down" view of the DVD 's navigation layout.I haven't gotten the registered version yet but to what I see with the demo, you can edit the menu PGC command tables but not the VTS PGC Command tables. Am I wrong?

maa
14th March 2004, 11:20
@2COOL, you can't edit any commands yet apart from buttons.
The rest is to come later....

2COOL
14th March 2004, 15:31
Originally posted by maa
@2COOL, you can't edit any commands yet apart from buttons.
The rest is to come later.... Thanks for confirmation maa.

jir591
16th March 2004, 14:34
Dimad,

Something for your next release:

I like the replace block function very much. Is it possible to have a "add block" and be able to load a VOB file of our choosing? This would be helpful if you want to split a movie. Then you can add a "insert disk 2" VOB at the end of the first disk.

Dimad
16th March 2004, 21:24
"add" block will be added later when it will be possible to use it, i.e. add program chains, programs and cells tot them.


Then you can add a "insert disk 2" VOB at the end of the first disk.

Well, you can do it now. Just replace blocks with "insert disk 2" instead of hiding them (replacing them with blank).

jir591
17th March 2004, 00:01
Originally posted by Dimad
"add" block will be added later when it will be possible to use it, i.e. add program chains, programs and cells tot them.



Well, you can do it now. Just replace blocks with "insert disk 2" instead of hiding them (replacing them with blank).

DOH !! I feel stupid.

geffroman
19th March 2004, 14:48
Lovin it!

Thanks again... Jeff

Dimad
19th March 2004, 19:22
??? Either me or you missing something :)

DvdReMake 1.0 was released on March 02. Later today I'll release 1.2 (there is one rare but ungly bug in 1.1).

Command editing is not finalized yet, but 1.2 has some code that will check command editing code and asks users to submit a bug report if problem is found. :) If there will be no reports (or when all reported issues are fixed) I'll release command editing.

So I guess you can change name of the thread :)

ablindog
19th March 2004, 23:17
Don't know what the 'Ugly bug' in 1.1 is, so far I've not had a single problem to report and I've been using and abusing the heck out of this release. Very easy upgrade from MEdit and worth every dime.

Thanks
HR

geffroman
20th March 2004, 16:01
Originally posted by Rimmer
When I arrive at this screen the button will not stay over/next to any button positon when hovered over with mouse or navigated to with arrow keys, it flashes briefly then goes away but if i select the button it works.

Not sure if it is the same thing... But I have seen this same symptom on discs prior to editing. I get this on several Buffy discs in the audio menu. Buttons are active. But Hover disappears. This also is the case with Veronica Guerin also on the audio menu.

However, the problem goes away on stand alones. It only appears when viewing on my PC. Typically I view with IFOEdit. So I have given up worrying about it as final discs play fine on stand alone.

geffroman
21st March 2004, 05:53
Originally posted by Dimad
"add" block will be added later when it will be possible to use it, i.e. add program chains, programs and cells tot them.

Well, you can do it now. Just replace blocks with "insert disk 2" instead of hiding them (replacing them with blank).

Trying to understand the functionality... What is a block? Does block = chapter?

If I have a movie to split... I can use DVDReMake to blank the unwanted chapters for both disc one and two... Let's assume I have 10 chapters total and I want to put 5 chapters on each disc.

On disc 1 I would put replace chapter 6 with "Insert Disc 2 clip" and blank chapters 7 through 10. (Can I control the length of time the replaced chapter 6 displays my "Insert Disc 2" clip?)

On disc 2 I would just blank chapters 1 through 5...

Is this proper thinking...? And how would I go about making disc 2 start on chapter six instead of the main menu?

Does DVDReMake now or will it give me that kind of command control?

Thanks again... Jeff

Dimad
24th March 2004, 14:22
Originally posted by geffroman
Trying to understand the functionality... What is a block? Does block = chapter?

Block, most of the time, is the same as a cell, a smallest thing that can be referenced in the PGC. For multiangle disks - block contains all related cells (different angles).


If I have a movie to split... I can use DVDReMake to blank the unwanted chapters for both disc one and two... Let's assume I have 10 chapters total and I want to put 5 chapters on each disc.

On disc 1 I would put replace chapter 6 with "Insert Disc 2 clip" and blank chapters 7 through 10. (Can I control the length of time the replaced chapter 6 displays my "Insert Disc 2" clip?)


Well, chapter could contain one or more programs, which in turn may have one or more cells.

It is necessary to set cell still time to some non zero value. If set to 255 it will stay forever. It will be possible soon to do it with DvdReMake.


On disc 2 I would just blank chapters 1 through 5...

Is this proper thinking...? And how would I go about making disc 2 start on chapter six instead of the main menu?

Well it depends on how disk is authored. Quite often before movie is started some registers get set. I'm not sure if its possible to make a "general instructions" to achieve what you ask with any disk. May by 2COOL can do it :)

geffroman
24th March 2004, 14:29
Originally posted by Dimad
Well it depends on how disk is authored. Quite often before movie is started some registers get set. I'm not sure if its possible to make a "general instructions" to achieve what you ask with any disk. May by 2COOL can do it :)

Thanks for all the answers... I get it...

As to the Disc 2 of a split... Making the movie start on the movie is a simple First Run selection in IFOEdit... I was just wondering if you could adjust this setting with DVDReMake as well...

I think your program is going to be very cool and just hoped that it might eliminate IFOEdit all together for some very common things like disc splitting.

I am just not sure how much control of commands DVDReMake is going to allow.

Dimad
24th March 2004, 23:37
I am just not sure how much control of commands DVDReMake is going to allow.
full :)

Including conditional, set and their combinations.

Dimad
26th March 2004, 15:36
DvdReMake 1.3 is released. It took some time, but now it is possible to edit commands. Now everybody can check for himself how much control over commands program allows :)

Hopefully not too many bugs slipped through. ;)

jir591
26th March 2004, 17:48
Originally posted by geffroman
Thanks for all the answers... I get it...

As to the Disc 2 of a split... Making the movie start on the movie is a simple First Run selection in IFOEdit... I was just wondering if you could adjust this setting with DVDReMake as well...

I think your program is going to be very cool and just hoped that it might eliminate IFOEdit all together for some very common things like disc splitting.

I am just not sure how much control of commands DVDReMake is going to allow.

With Ifoedit you can start with the movie as well as start with the first actual chapter on the disc. In otherwords if disc two starts with chapter 10, when you insert the disc the dvd player will cycle through the first nine chapters until it hits chapter 10. You can skip that process by changing the entry point on cell one. I picked this concept up from one of 2Cool's sheets.

geffroman
27th March 2004, 07:51
Originally posted by jir591
With Ifoedit you can start with the movie as well as start with the first actual chapter on the disc. In otherwords if disc two starts with chapter 10, when you insert the disc the dvd player will cycle through the first nine chapters until it hits chapter 10. You can skip that process by changing the entry point on cell one. I picked this concept up from one of 2Cool's sheets.

I understand all of that... My point was to eliminate multiple programs and work with one interface... If DVDReMake can make these adjustments then it is a simpler, faster interface for doing things instead of the old manual way of IFOEdit... Love IFOEdit but it is long overdue for a modern GUI... Such is the reason for my hopes for DVDReMake...

But hell the way things are going with DVDeXCopy on the legal front I am sure Derrow and IFOEdit will be making a comeback... LOL

geffroman
28th March 2004, 23:06
Originally posted by jir591
Dimad,

Something for your next release:

I like the replace block function very much. Is it possible to have a "add block" and be able to load a VOB file of our choosing? This would be helpful if you want to split a movie. Then you can add a "insert disk 2" VOB at the end of the first disk.

Does this make sense ? Or am I missing something ?

Use AddChapter to add chapter to end of movie...
Then use DVDReMake to replace block and turn added chapter into "Insert Disc 2" clip...

If this is correct this saves a TON of time...

Is the viewable still time adjustable...?

Is it normal that Demo v1.3 takes a looong time to Import DVD from HD ? 6+ minutes ?
Update: This turns out to be a problem caused by another program or ME, yet to be decided. Testing many other DVDs proved DVDReMake to take only seconds to import a DVD !

Is HEX editing available? I guess I learned kinda backwards... I know the HEX value for things I do in IfoEdit but I am lost in the command window of DVDReMake.

Thanks as always in helping me come up to speed !

Dimad
29th March 2004, 08:07
Originally posted by geffroman
Is the viewable still time adjustable...?


Not yet.

Is it normal that Demo v1.3 takes a looong time to Import DVD from HD ? 6+ minutes ?
I doubt it has anything to do with the version. Just take a look at DvdReMake.log - most probably there were some inconsistency between ifo and vob files and DvdReMake had to parse vob files - this might take some time.


Is HEX editing available? I guess I learned kinda backwards... I know the HEX value for things I do in IfoEdit but I am lost in the command window of DVDReMake.
HEX editing is not available. I've already started a user guide (http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremake/ug_intro.php) and there will be some explanation for this dialog.

geffroman
30th March 2004, 01:15
Dimad this is only a wish list kinda thing. But what if DVDReMake could batch run your projects. It take a few seconds to set up a new project. I could set up my projects for a whole season of CSI and then click batch run and come back in an hour to have all 6 DVDs ready for compression and burn...

Another very popular scenerio: I want to make a 2 disc set with NO Compression... With DVDReMake and Batch Mode I could add the "Insert disc two" clip to the end of disk one... remove items from bonus features from disc one... adding "Bonus Features on Disc Two" clip... Disc two could be second half of movie and/or just all the bonus features... menus have been updated accordingly... Now I would have two projects for a perfect two disc set. I just Click BATCH RUN and come back in 30 minutes to BURN my discs...

Very Very Cool idea...? Whatcha think...? When dual layer burners obsolete DVDShrink and all the others it's only gonna be YOU BABE...! :cool:

Dimad
30th March 2004, 20:54
I've already thought about building a batch processor into DvdReMake. It should not be dificult. Or rather it will be as difficult as a scripting language which will be used to describe what you want to do.

Thinking about this for some time I decided that it is not clear (at least to me) what commands/operations should this mode support.

The first step would be to decide on the list of commands and the format of the batch file.

geffroman
30th March 2004, 21:17
Originally posted by Dimad
I've already thought about building a batch processor into DvdReMake. It should not be dificult. Or rather it will be as difficult as a scripting language which will be used to describe what you want to do.

Thinking about this for some time I decided that it is not clear (at least to me) what commands/operations should this mode support.

The first step would be to decide on the list of commands and the format of the batch file.
I am not sure I understand what the command variable would be... My vision of the process is that after creating several PROJECTS a user presses a button for BATCH which would in response simply export each project... All that needs place is for the projects to be in a queue and for the batch program to grab them one after another and perform the EXPORT DVD function. You might also have a simple check box on the Export DVD command that says "Export to Queue". This way user decides whether it is an immediate export or stored in queue. This selection could trigger an outmatic saving of a project file in a descrete location for each project that you control to manage the Batch process.

The only thing I see challenging is that you might have to take control of the location and naming convention of the project files to manage the process. Otherwise isn't as simple as:

1) - Open Project
2) - Export DVD
3) - Close Project
4) - Open Next Project.............

Am I missing something obvious. I do claim to have metal lapses from time to time... :cool:

Dimad
30th March 2004, 21:46
I see now. I was thinking more about doing dvd editing using script(batch) files.

What you want can be done. There are at least two ways to implement it into DVdReMake:
1) implement support for multiple projects user can have opened in DvdReMake and have "export all" command;

2) through the scripts. In this case we already have two candidates for script command :) :
- open project;
- export project;

I wanted to do MDI (multiple documents) anyway - so I guess 1) will happen soner.

geffroman
30th March 2004, 21:55
Sounds great Dimad

Just picked up CSI Season 3 & Homicide Season 4 TODAY ! Sure wish Batch Export was here now...!:D Guess I'll have to struggle through on this set...

I just did Little House Season Three and MASH Season One with your sustiture feature... saves on average Quarter to Half a GIG in disk space by using same intro and credits for each episode...

Thanks for that great feature Dimad...!

Dimad: New Question - Is it possible to substitute across VTSs ? Some multi episode DVDs put episodes in different VTS. The new CSI as an example has episodes 1 & 2 in VTS-2 with episodes 3 & 4 in VTS-3. I'd like to point all four (4) episodes to the same end credits.

New Question Two - Is it possible to UNDO a HIDE, REPLACE or SUB? I haven't found it and after making a mistake I am shutting off the program and starting OVER.

New Question Three - Is is possible to MOVE post commands to pre commands?

Dimad
31st March 2004, 14:53
Originally posted by geffroman
Sounds great Dimad

Just picked up CSI Season 3 & Homicide Season 4 TODAY ! Sure wish Batch Export was here now...!:D Guess I'll have to struggle through on this set...

I just did Little House Season Three and MASH Season One with your sustiture feature... saves on average Quarter to Half a GIG in disk space by using same intro and credits for each episode...

Thanks for that great feature Dimad...!


Looks like you are using quite a few features of DvdReMake. A was wondering if you can describe in a breef guide what you do to these "season" disks. I'll be glad to help with the images (if needed), just take a screen shots along the way and I'll prepare images for the web. What do you think?


Dimad: New Question - Is it possible to substitute across VTSs ? Some multi episode DVDs put episodes in different VTS. The new CSI as an example has episodes 1 & 2 in VTS-2 with episodes 3 & 4 in VTS-3. I'd like to point all four (4) episodes to the same end credits.

No :D You can't have cell from one VTS added into PGC in another VTS. What you can do instead: is to have a PGC with this cell in VMG or in another VTS and just use PGC post command in all your episodes to go there.


New Question Two - Is it possible to UNDO a HIDE, REPLACE or SUB? I haven't found it and after making a mistake I am shutting off the program and starting OVER.

Here is the trick: Replace dialog gives you access to the original cells. Just replace edited one with the original :D


New Question Three - Is is possible to MOVE post commands to pre commands?

Nope, not yet.

geffroman
31st March 2004, 15:03
Originally posted by Dimad
Looks like you are using quite a few features of DvdReMake. A was wondering if you can describe in a breef guide what you do to these "season" disks.
Oh SURE... I need a week with every thing on my plate... But I'll put something together... I need it for my website too... I plan to build a road map start to finish for newbie and intermediate users... I'll stay away from expert because I don't think 80% of us want to go down that road...

Newbie is:
1) - DVDShrink start to finish but there are a lot of tricks to doing some cool stuff with Shrink I don't see discussed...
Intermediate would be:
1) - DVDDecryptor
2) - DVDReMake or MenuEdit & IFOEdit
3) - DVDShrink or Nero
I'll be building these out of html (interactive style) but people can download the whole set as a ZIP and run it locally if they choose...

UPDATE: Check out new guides for DVDReMake on Dimadsoft.com (http://dimadsoft.com)... New features added to the upcoming DVDReMakePro 2.0... Check this thread soon for release date!

2COOL
31st March 2004, 20:57
When I get the time and motivation, I would like to contribute too. ;) Thanks geffroman for your PM of opportunity. :D

geffroman
31st March 2004, 21:02
Originally posted by 2COOL
When I get the time and motivation, I would like to contribute too. ;) Thanks geffroman for your PM of opportunity. :D I am an idiot... whats PM?

2COOL
31st March 2004, 21:21
Originally posted by geffroman
I am an idiot... whats PM? LOL...Private Message.:p

Dimad
31st March 2004, 22:52
Originally posted by geffroman
I am an idiot... whats PM?

Get some sleep geffroman :)

geffroman
31st March 2004, 23:16
Originally posted by Dimad
Get some sleep geffroman :) Still awake... I just found out that DVDReMake wipes out TXT Data (actually it removes the entire sector assigned to the TXT Data)... shame shame shame... Few enough movies have that data... I was eventually going to ask if you could build ADDING TXT Data to DVDReMake... As time goes on and DVD Players get smarter they will all display this information. Down the road people are going to kick themselves for not adding this info to their collection NOW !

If you own a Juke Box like I do the TXT Data is critical today... I have to manually HEX edit this stuff into the VIDEO_TS file of 90% of my back-ups. On occassion Hollywood does include this data as was the case with "Somethings Gotta Give" but you cleaned it out.

Short term can you NOT alter this info...? You can still add your Provider ID without taking away the TXT Data.

Question Two - Can the hide feature use less frames. like 00'00'00'01? If you use HIDE on FBI... Studio... Four Previews... you can end up with a 5 second delay when puting the disc in as all these 15 frame blanks play... This is why I had asked before about converting Post Commands to Pre Commands.

Dimad
1st April 2004, 08:16
Originally posted by geffroman
Question Two - Can the hide feature use less frames. like 00'00'00'01? If you use HIDE on FBI... Studio... Four Previews... you can end up with a 5 second delay when puting the disc in as all these 15 frame blanks play... This is why I had asked before about converting Post Commands to Pre Commands.

I'm not sure: 15 frames is about a half a second - the "time size" of a VOBU. I know it can't be much large then that, but could it be smaller? No idea. Anybody knows?

Dimad
1st April 2004, 08:19
Originally posted by geffroman

I was eventually going to ask if you could build ADDING TXT Data to DVDReMake...

I have to manually HEX edit this stuff into the VIDEO_TS file of 90% of my back-ups.


I was thinking about adding a support for TXT data, just did not find good enough description on this subj. If you are doing it in HEX, I think you have some info. Can you send it to me as well as ifo's with text data - I'll take a look.

maa
1st April 2004, 08:35
Originally posted by Dimad
I'm not sure: 15 frames is about a half a second
True but the player takes a long time to present them when each is in a different VTS - Titleset Blanker has the same problem.
Changing Post commands to Pre cures that because the player doesn't need to find the frame to play.

2COOL
1st April 2004, 08:36
Originally posted by Dimad
I was thinking about adding a support for TXT data, just did not find good enough description on this subj. If you are doing it in HEX, I think you have some info. Can you send it to me as well as ifo's with text data - I'll take a look. I'm not surprised as Derrow also had work stoppage on this matter with IfoEdit with lack of information.

From IfoEdit.com

- added/fixed parsing of table: 'VMG_TXTDT_MG -Text Data Manager information' (I am still missing detailed information of this table-structure! If somebody knows something about this table, please email me.)

There's this tool, TitleWriter (http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34079&highlight=titlewriter), that FallenAngel came up with to work in VMG_TXTDT_MG. Can't say it works perfectly but at least there was an attempt.

jir591
2nd April 2004, 01:00
Dimad,

Can you add a option that when DVDReMake is finished it will play a wav file of our choosing?

This is a great program. I've been using it with DVD ReBuilder. A great match!!

robw
2nd April 2004, 01:18
Either that or just hard code it to play Peggy Lee's song "Is that all there is?"

geffroman
2nd April 2004, 01:19
Originally posted by 2COOL
I'm not surprised as Derrow also had work stoppage on this matter with IfoEdit with lack of information.

From IfoEdit.com

- added/fixed parsing of table: 'VMG_TXTDT_MG -Text Data Manager information' (I am still missing detailed information of this table-structure! If somebody knows something about this table, please email me.)

There's this tool, TitleWriter (http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34079&highlight=titlewriter), that FallenAngel came up with to work in VMG_TXTDT_MG. Can't say it works perfectly but at least there was an attempt.

I don't know how you do it... I have been writing this guide all day. I mean seriously working on nothing else ALL DAY ! It will be posted in my How To Guides section this evening. Please let me know if you see glaring mistakes in terminology or needs clarification. I wrote it so ANYONE can get it. I wanted to avoid having to answer a lot of questions. So you guys will find it overly detailed.

Dimad
2nd April 2004, 12:30
Originally posted by robw
Either that or just hard code it to play Peggy Lee's song "Is that all there is?"

:)

I've heard it from few people now. I'll do something about it.

Dimad
2nd April 2004, 12:33
Originally posted by geffroman
I don't know how you do it... I have been writing this guide all day. I mean seriously working on nothing else ALL DAY ! It will be posted in my How To Guides section this evening. Please let me know if you see glaring mistakes in terminology or needs clarification. I wrote it so ANYONE can get it. I wanted to avoid having to answer a lot of questions. So you guys will find it overly detailed.

Good news. Curious to see it.

geffroman
2nd April 2004, 19:12
I just did 18 discs with DVDReMake...

CSI Season 3... Homicide Season 4... Little House Season 3...

Overall it was awesome... It also reinforces what would make it even better...

BATCH BATCH BATCH... :D
Adding Chapters to PGCs would be HUGE...There is nothing better than ADDChapter for discs you don't need to process all over again. But having it built into DVDReMake is the way. Being able to move Post Commands to Pre Commands to eliminate lag created by blanked out titles. Hopefully with auto-correction of BREAK Commands.
Adjustment of Cell values (still time and such)
Reducing the blank frame from 00'00'00'15 to 00'00'00'01. This is found on store bought DVDs. 15 frames is most common but not always the number used. I should add we could Replace Blocks one at a time with our own 1-frame clip. A REPLACE ALL Blocks feature would help. DVD TEXT insertion or modification or at least the lack or removal of existing text.
Dare I suggest a possible Teaming up with DVD-RB with hooks to make the Exports of DVD-RM port directly into DVD-RB... Tell me that would not be the hottest thing...
Better visual notice of which thumbnail is selected. Blue line very thin.
Substitute Block feature is all visual. It was hard to find the right thumb nail when looking to have 4 episodes all point their end credits to one clip. If somehow navigation could include the PGC & Prog numbers I could know better what I was looking at.
Is it possible to have a preview with sound button... If I use scroll bar it almost a preview. But some time, especially when subing blocks you need to know the audio to choose right end credits.
This is my wish list... Please let NO ONE think this is a complaint list... DVDReMake has fast become my number one editor of choice...

I know you are looking at some if not all of these as options... and I thank you for the proggie as it is thus far... Even though I am a paying customer I am feeling the need to DONATE MORE... I guess that means you need to have a chargeable upgrade for major feature changes... I probably just pissed off the "I want it FREE" crowd... but you save me time and allow me to do things in my back-ups that I just COULD NOT do without DVDReMake...

Cheers to you Dimad...

UPDATE: Maybe this is not news but I am thrilled. The main reason I back-up my DVDs the moment I get them is because I hate watching previews and trailers and Studio Logos. Not new to anyone to be sure. But the thing I am stuck with is the long repetitive Studio LOGOS at the beginning of the first chapter because I am not going to take the time to become a professional RE-AUTHORer.

To the point: Today I got "Haas of Fand and Sog". Dreemwerks' Speelburg has his boy fishing from the moon EVERYWHERE on this disc even the first chapter INTRO. I opened the DVD in SHRINK... Used the RE-Author mode to cut out the first chapter. I started the chapter after the moon boy and ended it by selecting end chapter point one. It took 29 seconds to produce this mini movie... I then opened the original DVD in DVDReMake... used Replace block to stuff my new chapter in place of the original one... I dumped all the FORCED PREVIEWS; Moon Boy Clips; and FB-eye love letters with HIDE BLOCK... I ran through the menus for audio and subtitle languages I didn't want and DELETED those buttons... DVDReMake was essential because there were many versions of these menus from beginning to end of a strip of 20 blocks to find... Would have been challenging with MenuEdit... I hit the Export Button and in 10 minutes have a perfect DVD void of the crap to run through DVDShrink to disk on default mode.

More to the point is that MY Total Time Spent in the Chair pushing buttons was less than 5 minutes ! and that includes taking 1.5 minutes to ADD DVD Text data with HEXEdit manually.

Damn Dimad... DVD-RM ROCKs... Double Cheers...

Dimad
3rd April 2004, 19:36
Originally posted by geffroman

Reducing the blank frame from 00'00'00'15 to 00'00'00'01. This is found on store bought DVDs.

It is just a question of having such vob (with cell that lasts only 00'00'00'01). If I'll get them for PAL and NTSC, I'll replace current with shorter ones.

Thanks for the features request - some of them may see the world soon.

DVDReMake has fast become my number one editor of choice...

:) Glad to hear.


I know you are looking at some if not all of these as options... and I thank you for the proggie as it is thus far... Even though I am a paying customer I am feeling the need to DONATE MORE... I guess that means you need to have a chargeable upgrade for major feature changes... I probably just pissed off the "I want it FREE" crowd... but you save me time and allow me to do things in my back-ups that I just COULD NOT do without DVDReMake...

Cheers to you Dimad...


A desire to see what/how will you write when you put your hands on features planned in ver 2.0 (which will be about adding things to the dvd as opposed to removing them in ver 1) makes me work harder on ver 2. :D :D :D


Dreemwerks' Speelburg has his boy fishing from the moon EVERYWHERE on this disc even the first chapter INTRO. I opened the DVD in SHRINK... Used the RE-Author mode to cut out the first chapter. I started the chapter after the moon boy and ended it by selecting end chapter point one. It took 29 seconds to produce this mini movie... I then opened the original DVD in DVDReMake... used Replace block to stuff my new chapter in place of the original one...

Well, you would have saved yourself this 29 seconds and time opening/closing applications if you would just open block with the boy in preview pane scroll to the "...after the moon boy and ended", right clicked on the frame and selected cut to here.

Ops. Boy is gone. :) :)

Damn Dimad... DVD-RM ROCKs... Double Cheers...

Well, I have fun working on it, users should have fun working with it. :)

geffroman
3rd April 2004, 20:54
Originally posted by Dimad
Well, you would have saved yourself this 29 seconds and time opening/closing applications if you would just open block with the boy in preview pane scroll to the "...after the moon boy and ended", right clicked on the frame and selected cut to here.

Ops. Boy is gone. :) :)
Wow... I just did not know those features were there... that's way way better... and I thought I was being smart... You are dah man...

BUT... I have to ask for things everytime I compliment you... With the cut tool in place you REALLY need to be able to know where the sound track is... nothing worse than making a clean cut in the black between two scenes only to find out later that you got the last NOTE of the previous sound clip...

and if it is not too anal a time clock would be helpful too...

Thanks again Diman

Dimad
3rd April 2004, 22:59
Originally posted by geffroman
Wow... I just did not know those features were there...

DvdReMake can cut any cell. It could be either end of last one - credits, or start of the first one - intro, or any other cell to cut some comercials. And it will fix everything in vobs and ifo files so that search (fast forward/backward) works fine.

Actually it can even cut motion menu to reduce its size, and (what a surprice ) it will still work.

It is not possible at the moment to cut part inside the cell keeping both start and end of the cell.

geffroman
5th April 2004, 07:46
Great new features in 1.4.2... Looks like I'll be able to make my split discs even faster with your new remove all blocks before and after...!

Check Out New features... (http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremake/history.php)

I also just found out that by pulling down on the window divider just below the thumbnails that I can enlarge those little guys to any size I want... I wonder when I will run out of helpful features to discover...?

Goldfinger_007
7th April 2004, 21:26
Originally posted by geffroman
Great new features in 1.4.2... Looks like I'll be able to make my split discs even faster with your new remove all blocks before and after...!

Yup, a fantastic addition - has speeded up the process :)

geffroman
8th April 2004, 02:24
Originally posted by mpucoder
That's correct on both issues.
Scenarist, which is the most compliant authoring tool, insists on a minimum duration of 0.4 seconds for a cell.
Every PGC must have a time map. You might get by with this on some players, but if the PGC is one-sequential (meaning the title has only one PGC, not a series of PGCs linked together) the player will need the time map for the time display. After reading this elsewhere I am thinking my suggestion for a 00'00'00'01 blank option is not a good idea.

I guess I will just have to manually change the Post Commands to Pre Commands and adjust the BREAKS in IfoEdit on some DVDs that need PGCs to be bypassed, until you offer that feature in DVDReMake.

UPDATE: This issue has been aded to the upcoming DVDReMakePro 2.0... Check this thread soon for release date!

redfive19
13th April 2004, 20:54
I was wondering if there are future plans to be able to strip audio streams. I love the tool otherwise!

-redfive

EDIT
I just saw that someone had already posted this. I know IFOEdit can do it, but it would be very sweet if I didn't have to process the DVD twice because IFOEdit can be take a while if you aren't going to another physical harddrive.
/EDIT

Dimad
14th April 2004, 17:54
There are plans, but it might take some time. :)

Joergen
15th April 2004, 02:17
Dimad, I was looking at your dvdremake tool with awe but I wouldnt want to purchase untill I know it works (export and play). Are you planning on enabling perhaps a day or # of exports limit for the demo so people can actually try how it goes?

geffroman
15th April 2004, 03:52
Originally posted by Joergen
Dimad, I was looking at your dvdremake tool with awe but I wouldnt want to purchase untill I know it works (export and play). Are you planning on enabling perhaps a day or # of exports limit for the demo so people can actually try how it goes? As a happy customer I can suggest there really is nothing to see if you had a FREE EXPORT demo version...

Frankly you see it all in the demo... The only thing you don't get is the output files... It is a progress bar... it takes a few minutes... and when it's done your edited movie is complete in it's destination folder... Since there is no compression there is no change in quality and therefore nothing really to test either...

If you like the interface... then you have seen it all... If you are like me and have spent the past year or so using IFOEdit and MenuEdit with great success... Having to rely on even more tools at times like VOBBlanker or Titlesetblanker or VOBEditor I can promise you DVDReMake will change your world...

Time to BUCK UP.. Ha Ha... :)

Dimad
16th April 2004, 17:20
Originally posted by Joergen
Dimad, I was looking at your dvdremake tool with awe but I wouldnt want to purchase untill I know it works (export and play). Are you planning on enabling perhaps a day or # of exports limit for the demo so people can actually try how it goes?
There are no such plans.

In addition to what geffroman said: without export feature the only thing one can't test is "does exported dvd plays"? Yes, that is a big one. :)

But there are quite a few people using DvdReMake without any problems. It is hard to estimate how many differend DVDs were processed with DvdReMake, but hundreds is for sure. So chances that you will have problem with exported disk are quite small (I admit sometimes bugs do slip through, but usualy they are fixed within few days of been reported).

Joergen
16th April 2004, 18:16
Originally posted by geffroman
If you like the interface... then you have seen it all... If you are like me and have spent the past year or so using IFOEdit and MenuEdit with great success... Having to rely on even more tools at times like VOBBlanker or Titlesetblanker or VOBEditor I can promise you DVDReMake will change your world...

Yes indeed I've been using all those tools and sometimes think to myself (after a hour of hunting for a good combination of vobid to remove from a menu) why the h*ll am I wasting my time being such a prefectionist ;)

I'll try the demo again on a new disc and then prolly buy it :)

Joergen
16th April 2004, 18:44
Dimad: Ok I have an interesting disc here. Its Gangs of New York 2Disc version R2. The second disc has VOBID1 of VTS1 (main movie) 1234MB of unrefernced video (repeat of the first two chapters of the movie) without audio.

DVDRemake 1.4.5 Demo doesnt see this item and reports the disc to be 5996.23MB (DVDShrink says 6802MB incl the unreferenced bit). Does this mean DVDRemake will remove the unreferenced material automatically or fails to detect it and would copy the disc 1234MB oversize of what it reports?

edit: Further suggestions I'd have is to make the Delete key do the "hide block" so you dont have to right click and leftclick on each item.

Also I like the advanced mode, but instead of one big frame of each item on the right, perhaps collate a few frames of the selected item so you can see what the item contains without using the scrollbar to fast forward.. would be pretty handy since many items start with an all black fadein :)

Thanks.

Dimad
16th April 2004, 20:27
Originally posted by Joergen
Dimad: Ok I have an interesting disc here. Its Gangs of New York 2Disc version R2. The second disc has VOBID1 of VTS1 (main movie) 1234MB of unrefernced video (repeat of the first two chapters of the movie) without audio.

DVDRemake 1.4.5 Demo doesnt see this item and reports the disc to be 5996.23MB (DVDShrink says 6802MB incl the unreferenced bit). Does this mean DVDRemake will remove the unreferenced material automatically or fails to detect it and would copy the disc 1234MB oversize of what it reports?


DvdReMake will remove crap from the disk automaticaly. :)

Thanks for suggestions. Sounds usefull.

Joergen
16th April 2004, 20:38
Excellent. It's sometimes hard to hunt the unused item with ifoedit from ie. between menu cells like the Disc #1 of said movie had.

DVDReMake seems pretty much the perfect stripping tool with all the features DVDShrink and other tools SHOULD have.

RB
20th April 2004, 14:16
Dimad, for export/import buttons, would it be possible to export/import selection and action colors/contrasts as well? Thanks!

geffroman
21st April 2004, 04:20
Dimad

Would it be possible for the program to remember last environmental variables... ie window positions and beginner or expert mode... I make these changes every time I start the program...

Any hope on the horizon for bypassing videos with post to precommand adjustments...? I just did The Haunted House from Disney... They have so much crap before the Menu and after hitting play that even though I hide blocks it took sooo long to get to the menu and movie that I had to make those adjustments in IFOEdit...

Title 2 - VTS 1, PGC 2, 12 Cells
Title 4 - VTS 3, PGC 1, 2 Cell
Title 5 - VTS 4, PGC 1, 2 Cell
Title 6 - VTS 5, PGC 1, 2 Cell
Title 7 - VTS 5, PGC 2, 2 Cells
Title 10 - VTS 7, PGC 1, 8 Cells

28 Cells times 15 Frames or .5 seconds = 14 seconds of delay plus player switching time... YIKES ! Put the movie in and go get popcorn... It's gonna be awhile... :)

This is a pretty common problem with Disney and Paramount...

Any hopes on this one...?

UPDATE: This issue is NO MORE with new features added to the upcoming DVDReMakePro 2.0... Check this thread soon for release date!

maa
21st April 2004, 08:40
Yes - that would be nice - move all post commands to "pre"

cheers

maa

RB
21st April 2004, 15:12
Can't you add a LinkTailPGC precommand or cell command (assigned to the first cell) so it simply skips to the post commands?

maa
21st April 2004, 16:32
Not really because its the cell playback we're trying to avoid...

Dimad
22nd April 2004, 22:48
Originally posted by RB
Dimad, for export/import buttons, would it be possible to export/import selection and action colors/contrasts as well? Thanks!
Originally posted by geffroman
Would it be possible for the program to remember last environmental variables... ie window positions and beginner or expert mode... I make these changes every time I start the program...

Yes, to both questions. :)

Copying post-commands to pre-commands is also on to do list.

RB
23rd April 2004, 10:40
Thanks!

Dimad
5th June 2004, 22:59
Originally posted by geffroman
Given time & developement could this be the logical GUI driven replacement to IFOEdit?
Regards... Jeff

Looks like it is time to return to the very first post in this thread.

@geffroman: Does DvdReMake Pro (http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremakepro/history.php) look closer to "... GUI driven replacement to IFOEdit ..."? ;)