newbie question about Stripping unwanted extras

[awe007]

hi,

i´ve some problems with stripping some extra away from my favorite movie. i´m new to this because i´ve just purchased a new dvd writer. i just want to backup my good old american pie one to dvd5.

because there are lots of additional material i want to stripp all credits, previews and so on.
although i´ve read some guides i´ve still problems. perhaps some of you can give me some hints (or a link to the post which refers to it)

the dvd contains 16 titles. when starting to play you´ll get first an intro located in title 3 (with 4 chapters). after that you reach the main menu which is stored in vts_01_0. after pressing main movie another trailors starts located in titel 2 and the the main movie begins (title1).

my aim is it to remove both trailors. furthermore when inserting the disc the main menu should start. at this point i´ve no idea what changes have to be done in ifoedit to change this.

to get rid of extras i choose menuedit to disable the buttons which link to additional material. another questions is what to do with the vobs. as i read just left the away isn´t the right way....i think u have to change them in order to modify the cells (only one cells without any content ..?? )

i would appreciate any help...sorry for the newbie questions but it is very difficult to someone who is new to this..


thx and greetz

frank

[Slice]

Hi awe007!

Sound complicated for me. For a year now I have been using DVDShrink. Don´t know if you heard about it? But it got bouth a full disk backup and a reauther option.

www.dvdshrink.org

One program, few clicks and a almost perfect backup

Regards Slice (ice)

[maa]

Right at the top of this forum is a sticky thread called:

Sticky:«-«-« 2COOL's Cheat Sheets & Guides List
You'll find everything you need in there ....

[awe007]

hi,

slice thx for the hint. but shrink cant solve the problem because the compression would be to high and therefore you would get a bad quality...

maa thx for the link to the tuts but i´ve read some of them but couldn´t find the solution. my main problem is how to change the video_Ts setting in order to get rid of the intro. the dvd should begin with the main movie...


frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
my main problem is how to change the video_Ts setting in order to get rid of the intro. the dvd should begin with the main movie...
Originally posted by awe007 in first post
my aim is it to remove both trailors. furthermore when inserting the disc the main menu should start.
@awe007

:eek: So which one do you want?

Also, could you post your "Number of Title Play Maps" in your VIDEO_TS.IFO? Use the Copy2clipboard button in IfoEdit. I just want to see what's in your titlesets so that I could point you in a direction. ;)

[awe007]

the maestro himsel.:-)),

hi 2cool,

....thx for your help...i´ll post some additional infos ...


frank

[awe007]

so 2 cool,

back again..at first you´re right....i posted two different things...dvd should begin with move / dvd should begin with main menu..sorry..

just let me start again

i´m trying to edit american pie 1. when you start the dvd the following things happen:

intro (titelset 2) is displayed
main menu starts (located in video_01_0 id 1)
(after selecting main movie) another intro is displayed (titelset 2)
main movie starts ...

now i want the dvd to do the following:

after inserting the dvd in the player it should just directly start with the main menu
when you select main movie it should go direct to the main movie without playing another intro

what do you mean with Number of Title Play Maps? should i post the complete VMG_PTT_SRPT (Video Manager Title Play Map Table)....i´m just asking because it contains some stuff...there are 13 different entries...the dvd contains of 13 titlesets...main movie, intros, credits, movie previews and the 13 with a short blank frame...

so do you need the complete VMG_PTT_SRPT ..??


many thx for your help..

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
intro (titelset 2) is displayed
main menu starts (located in video_01_0 id 1)
(after selecting main movie) another intro is displayed (titelset 2) Different request now. Could you post your VTS Overview page in VTS_02_0.IFO? I notice that your trailers are found in the same titleset. ;)

[awe007]

shit..sorry a mistake....it´s not true...one intro is stored in 2 (intro after main menu but before main movie) and one in 3 (before main menu..starts direct when you unsert the cd...)....damn looks like im to stupid to post the correct settings



so what do you need...video_03_0.ifo..?? sorry for the misunderstanding..

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
Number of Title Play Maps: 13 (VMG_PTT_SRPT)
Title 2: VTS_02_*, TTN_1 (Angles: 1) (Chapters: 1) (Start Sector 3289673)
Title 3: VTS_03_*, TTN_1 (Angles: 1) (Chapters: 5) (Start Sector 3294909)

Title Set 2:
VTS_2 Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (pan-scan & letterboxed)
VTS_2 Audio 1: Deutsch (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_2 Audio 2: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_2 Audio 3: English (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC
VTS_2 Audio 4: Deutsch (Dolby AC-3) 6ch 48Kbps DRC

Title Set 3:
VTS_3 Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (16:9) (pan-scan & letterboxed)
VTS_3 Audio 1: Deutsch (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC Looks to me both VTS_02 and VTS_03 are single PGC Titlesets.

Use this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60533) on those. ;) You can generate your PAL VOB of VOB ID 1 and Cell ID 1 with jsoto's new tool, BlankVOB (http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_exe.zip). Just rename the blank VOB the same as your titleset's first VOB. e.g. VTS_01_1.VOB

[awe007]

ok i got it.
thx

but with this solution i still have a short blank movie before the main menue.
isn´t there any way to change direct the ifo settings in order to tell the player to start just with the main menu.

thx

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
ok i got it.
thx

but with this solution i still have a short blank movie before the main menue.
isn´t there any way to change direct the ifo settings in order to tell the player to start just with the main menu.

thx

frank You deleted your VMG overview post but I assume your menus were in VTS_01? Well, whatever Title 1 was in. You can try doing this to jump directly to your main menu upon insert.

Go to VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_MAT / First Play PGC / PGC Command Table. On your last Pre Command, right click and select "Insert Command". You will have a new "NOP" before it. Right click on that and select "Edit Command". Select "(JumpSS_VTSM) Jump to Titleset Menu"
Title Nr 1, TitleSet Nr: 1, Menu: root.

Save IFO and play to test.

Originally posted by awe007
but with this solution i still have a short blank movie before the main menue. If you had just one video clip prior to your menus, you wouldn't see a difference. What matters is that your menu should display first unless you're anal about having 15 tiny frames of blank playing before your menus. It should be quick to go through that. ;)

[awe007]

sorry 2 cool..didn´t want to say that this solution "isn´t good enough"...i just asked because of my interest for the way of changing s starting point of a dvd ( in genrell)....you´re right....this would be the easiest way and i think this way it works on every player without any problems....

another question: what to do with titleset 2 as it contains an intro too (displayed after main menu before main movie) but has now 5 chapters instead of the one from titleset 3..


sorry for bothering you ...

thx

frank

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
another question: what to do with titleset 2 as it contains an intro too (displayed after main menu before main movie) but has now 5 chapters instead of the one from titleset 3..According to previous post...
Originally posted by awe007
Title 2: VTS_02_*, TTN_1 (Angles: 1) (Chapters: 1) (Start Sector 3289673)
Title 3: VTS_03_*, TTN_1 (Angles: 1) (Chapters: 5) (Start Sector 3294909)Titleset 2 (VTS_02) has 1 chapter and Titleset 3 (VTS_03) has 5. Blanking the titleset VOBs depends on if you really need to cut down on unwanted space since the more you strip out, the more room you leave for video quality for your movie. A lot of people do this prior to using a transcoder like DVD Shrink. It doesn't matter about how many chapters the IFO had originally. If you follow the guide I mentioned, it will be corrected to a single chapter and DVD structure is still intact. You can either blank it out or bypass it using this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50245) but with bypassing, your video clip is still there holding space and in DVD Shrink, it will be considered as unreferenced material. ;)

See, there are a lot of options to do. Through experience, you'll learn how to analyze your DVD and come up with an ideal game plan on what method to use. :)

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
this would be the easiest way and i think this way it works on every player without any problems.... Though it is easy to do, it's not really foolproof. By jumping straight to Main Menu, you might be bypassing much needed valuable GPreg or SPreg settings for proper navigation. Every DVD is authored differently so it may work or may not. If it doesn't then I would go back and delete that new Pre Command I had just inserted in First Play PGC and start a new game plan like blanking out or bypassing titles. That's what I would do. :)

[awe007]

hmm strange....i tried out some different settings but no way...

on the original dvd there are the following entries (dvd starts with intro from titleset 2)

when i delete the first two entries and just uses the jumpss vtsm i get the menu but not the root. i get something different (menu for chapters, located in video_01_0 vob id3) and not the root located in 01_0 vob id1.....hmmm realy strange....do you understand this....it looks quite unlogical to me.....


original dvd:
PGC Command Table:
[000000ec] Number of Pre Commands 3 [0003]
[000000ee] Number of Post Commands 0 [0000]
[000000f0] Number of Cell Commands 0 [0000]
[000000f2] Size of Command table in bytes 31 [001f]
[000000f4] 1.Pre Command Set GPreg<6> mov (set-val)<1000> [71 00 00 06 03 e8 00 00 ]
[000000fc] 2.Pre Command Set GPreg<7> mov (set-val)<1> [71 00 00 07 00 01 00 00 ]
[00000104] 3.Pre Command (JumpSS VTSM) Jump to TitleSet(vts): 1, Title(ttn): 1, root-menu [30 06 00 01 01 83 00 00 ]

There is no PGC Program Map

There is no Cell Playback Information Table

There is no Cell Position Information Table

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
original dvd:

PGC Command Table:
Number of Pre Commands 3
Number of Post Commands 0
Number of Cell Commands 0
Size of Command table in bytes 31
1.Pre Command Set GPreg<6> mov (set-val)<1000>
2.Pre Command Set GPreg<7> mov (set-val)<1>
3.Pre Command (JumpSS VTSM) Jump to TitleSet(vts): 1, Title(ttn): 1, root-menuLooks normal to me and I'm assuming this is in your First Play PGC, right?
Originally posted by awe007
when i delete the first two entries and just uses the jumpss vtsm i get the menu but not the root. i get something different (menu for chapters, located in video_01_0 vob id3) and not the root located in 01_0 vob id1.....hmmm realy strange....do you understand this....it looks quite unlogical to me.....
Anyways, I told you it's not always foolproof. ;)

[awe007]

2 cool,

do you have any idea why with this settings the root menu directly starts and not the short "menu intro" which is played when i insert the original dvd..??

thx

awe007

[2COOL]

Originally posted by awe007
do you have any idea why with this settings the root menu directly starts and not the short "menu intro" which is played when i insert the original dvd..??I understand what you mean. Some DVDs have "cool" intros and I wish I could keep them also but by doing the "jump to root menu" command seems to bypass this. When you jump from point A to point B like this, you are bypassing a lot of much needed set commands inbetween. The PGC Command Table in your root menu is analyzing what the parameters are at that time and is most likely compensating by if-then commands. This is my reasoning. That's why if I want my cool menu intro, I just blank out the titles in between. There are some DVDs that do bypass the menu intro though by jumping to root. There must've have been no critical GPreg/SPreg settings in-between. ;)