American Wedding is kicking my butt

[slorente]

I am trying to make a backup of my American Wedding DVD and I want one disc with the movie and one disc for the extras. The problem I am running into is the main movie uses seemless branching...1 program chain for the Rated version and one chain for the Unrated version. I would like to retain both and I assume that I need to keep the main menu as a way to select either one.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for extracting just the menu and the main movie. I have read every guide pn this site as well as the one's on IFOedit's site.

Thanks in advance!

[influenza]

Read the seamless branching guides on doom9 and you should be able to do it. Why would you put the extras on an extra disc btw? The fact that both versions of the movie are on one disc doesn't eman this takes much more space. You already said it is seamless branching and I understood that it's only a couple of m,inutes of extra video anyway.

If you need more help I would need more info on the exact ifo structure.

[slorente]

OK, so I have gone back through and read the guides, previous posts, etc. I am still stuck with American Wedding. I know have everything stripped out that I don't want (previews, WARNING screens, and extras). Now I am getting an "illegal navigation" error. Is there a utility that can read and correct where I may have made an error?

Influenza, I am trying to get the extras on a separate DVD. All I want on the first is the movie...Rated and Unrated versions. I couild just strip using "movie only" in IFOedit but how would I select between the two versions. Wouldn't I need the main menu to select my choice?

[influenza]

you're talking about movies. Actually it's just one with some extra video put in when asked for ;)

[slorente]

You are right! However, what dictates the order in which either version is played. The RATED version uses VOBID's 1,2,4,5,7,8,9,...etc. The UNRATED version uses VOBID's 1,2,3,5,6,7,...etc. So, if I want to keep both play "lists" don't I need to keep the menu to select either one?

Thanks!!

[Alanoll]

I have a problem with this title....

at the vobid changes, the picture jumps. I've read the seamless branching guide and have followed it exactly.

but somehow the picture still jumps, and there are numerous layer breaks in my authored IFO. Any way to fix this? To keep it seamless like the original?

I'm using DIF4U 1.4.3

[Matthew]

Alanoll, you can enable the seamless flag in the scenario editor for the physically adjacent cells (e.g. where first cell of VOBID 2 follows the last cell of VOBID 1) but that flag will not be available when the first cell of VOBID 4 follows the last cell of VOBID 2, for example. Just click on the first cell for each VOBID and you'll see whether the seamless flag is available.

So you'll still get non-seamless transitions where the cells aren't adjacent (bah)...you just have to live with that.

[Alanoll]

tried that, and i get a frame not multiple error

[RB]

Originally posted by Alanoll
at the vobid changes, the picture jumps. I've read the seamless branching guide and have followed it exactly.

but somehow the picture still jumps, and there are numerous layer breaks in my authored IFO. Any way to fix this? To keep it seamless like the original?

Sure you can reauthor such seamlessly branched titles in Scenarist, but as you noticed, they are then no longer, uh, seamlessly branched. That's simply because Scenarist doesn't support seamless branching yet, so where the non-adjacent cells in the original were interleaved (IlVu) to provide seamless playback, you now have these short layer break-like jumps. No way around that.

[Alanoll]

but say i strip the DVD by vobid, and reconstruct it not by VOBID order, but instead by playback order (ie, PGC1 is vobid 1245 and PGC2 is vobid 1345, but when i reauthor i leave out PGC2 completely, so vob1245 should be physically adjacent to eachother right?) why do i still have the jump in picture, as well as the layer breaks in the ifo when the streams are physically adjacent?

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Alanoll
tried that, and i get a frame not multiple error

I *suspect* that would be a result of the fact that DoItFast4U uses DVD2AVI/mpeg2dec3.dll which results in 3 frames being lost at the end *always* (sometimes frames at beginning too). The latest beta (obtained through donations) uses DVD2AVIdg/mpeg2decdg.dll by Donald Graft which results in *no* frame loss (except where the first GOP in a stream is not closed the first 2 frames are replaced by the 3rd, but that shouldn't bean issue unless you are dealing with vobs you've cut in arbitrary places).

So anyway, try using DVD2AVIdg, you should just be able to replace the d2v made by DoItFast4U and also edit the avisynth script to point to mpeg2decdg.dll.

Originally posted by Alanoll
but say i strip the DVD by vobid, and reconstruct it not by VOBID order, but instead by playback order (ie, PGC1 is vobid 1245 and PGC2 is vobid 1345, but when i reauthor i leave out PGC2 completely, so vob1245 should be physically adjacent to eachother right?) why do i still have the jump in picture, as well as the layer breaks in the ifo when the streams are physically adjacent?

Scenarist by default seems to make the adjacent transitions non-seamless, at least it did for the "play all" PGC in an episodic disc I backed up recently. You need to enable the seamless flag at each transition.

[Alanoll]

i am using 1.4.3 of DIF4U with the DVD2AVIdg option enabled and still recieve the frame not multiple. I get it after i have to reduce the file by 5 frames in scenarist as the audio isn't long enough for the seamless thing. (I get an error that says so).

I've already attempted the seamless flag, which gave me the error audio gap, and the multiple error. In the Scenario Editor, i click on the one that have the NSM flag next to it, and set it to seamless where able. and i get those errors.

[Matthew]

Damn...well that sucks...sounds like you'd get the same problem if you used the original video stream. Perhaps you should compare the lengths of an original video stream and its corresponding ac3 just to make sure the audio duration is shorter.

Only other thing I can think of is padding the audio streams at the end (with silence) as an alternative to cutting. I think you may be able to do this with AC3 delay corrector, if not besweet should be able to do it.

[Alanoll]

what would be the usage of it, for say 5 frames short?

[Matthew]

Well I just tried AC3 delay corrector and unless I botched the usage, it wouldn't add silence to the end (positive end delay), rather it only cut frames (negative end delay).

I suppose what you can do is get a 1 frame blank ac3 file and then join it to your ac3 multiple times using besweet. Don't know the usage as I've never done it but if you search for joining ac3s it'll no doubt come up.

[RB]

Well, if you want just one branch of the movie, just rip this PGC in IFO mode, don't split by VobId.

[Alanoll]

oh well, i already have one backup with just the Unrated version, was trying to keep both on the second go around (testing mainly).

I tried the 1 frame AC3s, added them to the stream in scenarist, and then i attempted teh seamless flag, and i get that multiple frame error.

I really hate that error, i finally got Scenarist to accept multiangles without getting that multiple frame error, and then i get this one. Grrrr.:confused:


Oh well, thanks anyway. Hopefully an authoring program will some day come out for Windows with seamless branching (ILVU) support. We could only hope.

[Alanoll]

just for sh*ts and gigles, i went ahead and authored the DVD with the seamless option un checked which ended up with all the "Layer Breaks" in the IFO. but strangly enough, my DVD player doesn't ahve teh slightest hint of a pause. Its wierd since tehre should be when the head moves....but there isn't.

::hugs my players::

[Angelus]

Edit:

Started new thread in DIF4U forum for my problem