DVD2DVD Sizing question(s) - Resize To option missing

[bit-wise]

Hi all,

I've been following syzygytec's guide for DVD to DVD backups using DVD2SVCD 1.3.1 build 3 with CCE, FACAR, and D2SRoBa and have encountered some sizing issues when executing a movie only backup of NTSC 16:9 video. These are out of the box installs of the products, so no editing of the .ini files have been done (execpt to fix the following issue...)

The first problem I encountered was after I imported my crop borders, I was getting both horizontal and vertical shrinkage. Someone suggested setting the default OverscanH and OverscanV settings from 0.04 to 0.00 in the AVISYNTH.INI file. This seemed to solve that problem.

My second attempt produced video that was squished on the top and bottom only. Someone again pointed that I had a sizing problem in the Framserver tab and to select 720x480 in the "Resize To" dropdown. The only thing is that it is not there. All other guides that have screenshots of the Frameserver tab also have this dropdown. Should it be there, and if not, I assume I can just manually edit the DestinationHeight value in the AVISYNTH.INI file to 480?

Thanks.

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\Movie\DVD2AV~2.D2V")
ResizeTo=7 global ResizeMethod=2 DebugMode=0
GammaCorrection=1.0 Hue=0 Saturation=1.0 Brightness=0 Contrast=1.0
DetectedTop=6 DetectedHeight=464
OverscanH=0.0 OverscanV=0.0 BlockOptimization=0 AsoTV=1
global Bicubic_b_Value=0 global Bicubic_c_Value=0.6
DestinationWidth=720
DestinationHeight=360
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\SimpleResize\SimpleResize.dll")
# Import("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\FACAR\qmf15b1.avs")
# Import("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\FACAR\QMF_functions.avs")
# Import("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\FACAR\PreResize.avs")
Import("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\FACAR\FACAR.avs")
# Import("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\FACAR\PostResize.avs")
Import("C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
ConvertToYUY2()

[r6d2]

Originally posted by bit-wise
My second attempt produced video that was squished on the top and bottom only.
What kind of source is it, can you check? 4:3? Anamorphic?

That squished problem should not be there, so you may have spotted a bug in FACAR.

BTW, who told you that Overscan = 0 would correct that? Overscan has nothing to do with DAR or PAR. Just cropping.
Someone again pointed that I had a sizing problem in the Framserver tab and to select 720x480 in the "Resize To" dropdown. The only thing is that it is not there.
Try Q72 on the DVD2SVCD FAQ, it should apply to your case.

[bit-wise]

Thanks for the input.

The source material in question as reported by IFOEdit is:
MPEG-2 720x480 (NTSC) (NTSC 525/60) (16:9) (letterboxed)
Or, Billy Elliot, R1, Widescreen Anamorphic 1.85:1

Probably a little more information on the Overscan issue. What was happening was this:
I would open the video preview with "FACAR Detect Borders" selected and select a frame for cropping. I would then go back to DVD2DVD and change the selection to FACAR, which I guess imports the crop settings. At that point, the preview screen would shrink on all sides slightly, with black borders on all sides. These black borders would appear in the resulting mpv and mpeg after the CCE run. By setting the OverscanH and V to 0, the preview would no longer resize. I do notice a 1 pixel on all side size difference in the preview pane when changing from FACAR Detect Borders to FACAR and back.

Anyway, I noticed that the DestinationHeight is set to 360, not 480 in the .ini file. I'm not sure if DVD2DVD or FACAR attempts to override this value?

[r6d2]

Originally posted by bit-wise
The source material in question as reported by IFOEdit is:
MPEG-2 720x480 (NTSC) (NTSC 525/60) (16:9) (letterboxed)
This is well supported.
which I guess imports the crop settings.
It doesn't. Please take a look at the Readme of FACAR.
By setting the OverscanH and V to 0, the preview would no longer resize.
FACAR does not resize the source regardless of the overscan values you set. It just crops based on that and then resizes and adds borders to keep the "As Seen on TV" mode with the output frame size you chose.
Anyway, I noticed that the DestinationHeight is set to 360, not 480 in the .ini file.
D2S switches to 360 when source is anamorphic, like in this case. Don't worry since this is not the source of your problem.

Read the docs and try to follow the directions. It's pretty straightforward. (And it is better than to follow annonymous advices) ;)

Also, the guide on my signature may help you understand the whole process without getting into complicated technicalities.

[bit-wise]

Thanks for the info. I had originally posted a general CCE question (thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=424355#post424355)) which is where I got pointed to a guide on the DVD2DVD/FACAR/R2SRoBa technique. There may be some small points in the guide that could be clarified.

Anyway, I did a whole bunch of single chapter tests, and I could not, for the life of me, reproduce the horizontal squashing that I was experiencing before. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, but I would love to know what I had done to get it in the first place.

I plan on trying a bunch of different movies that have different aspect rations (thus borders) and see how things go.

And me being the curious type, want to know what is really going on behind the scenes, so lots of reading will be in my future.

r6d2 - Great job on your pieces of software - I can't imagine trying to do this the old school way.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by bit-wise
There may be some small points in the guide that could be clarified.
For one, support any browser. I can't read it with mozilla. :)