Is there a one-click dvd backup that works with CCE, keeping the menus ?

[duwde]

Is there a one-click dvd backup that works with CCE, keeping all the menus (and maybe, being able to remove the extras) ?

I've been using dvdshrink, dvd2one, instantcopy, recode2, and many other transcoding solutions, and while they are fine for most dvds, some dvds doesn't give me good results (mostly big dvds that really uses all the capacity of a dvd-9, like x-files episodes dvds). Please let's not start a cce x transcoding war here, that's MY opnion, btw I love dvdshrink for 90% of the dvds.

I know there is dvd2dvd-r and dvd2dvd, but they are movie-only (please correct me if I'm wrong). And I would like to keep the main menu, the extras may (and would be better to) be removed, no problem.

Yes, I know I can do it with manually, as described in the big3 doom9 guide (doitfast4u, docce4u , reauthorist). But It isn't handy when you need to repeat that for many dvds.

What would be perfect is a dvdshrink-like program, that let us select what to keep, and maybe what to be removed (or replaced for blank videos if you don't wanna mess the structure), and reencode with CCE, instead of trancoding.

Is there something like that avaible ?

Thanks
Duwde

[OvERaCiD23]

I just asked a similar question and found out that, no, there is no such thing. However, I gave DIF4U a try and it's worked great on 3 movies so far. Once you go through the guide once, it all makes a lot of sense and becomes simpler. I guess it's kind of in comparison to DivX encoding at first; one's first attempt at Gordian Knot may be intimidating, but after that it's child's play (or at least it was for me 2 years ago). So the best solution I've found is the 'Big 3' for the same situation you're in.

[colinhunt]

duwde, I've been looking for a similar solution but no, there doesn't seem to be one available. This forum is frequented by capable coders, so perhaps, if we're lucky, someone rises to the challenge and creates one!

[stuart.sheppard]

yeah, I looked around for something like this to no avail.
but I check the guide once and went through it stage by stage and
got the latest versions of each program and read up on it.
in the end its as they say childs play. down sort most titles ok.
my only gripe is that reauthorist cannot handle multiangled titles,
which means it has to be done manually (which I dont know scenarist enough to bother going into it).
this really needs to be sorted out as there are so many guides with different versions of how to do something when all we want to do is backup a damn dvd with a good sort of quality.
it just seems like to much work for such a small thing.
cce is great, but man the whole thing is way too complex and takes too long...

[Mtz]

What do you think about stripping DVD, encoding the main movie with CCE, reauthoring amd final shrinking (not the main movie)?

[floppi]

But it cant work, if u want to leave the menu etc. on the dvd .. just reauthoring the main movie - or?
if u make an new vob (reauthored with cce and some other pgrs) and exchange the original vobs vs this ones...no chapter jump etc. would be work. ...and the audio/subs will be incorrect as well i think.

[idbirch2]

@floppi

You can extract any title from a DVD, re-encode it then re-insert it into the original VIDEO_TS folder. All you have to do is make sure you correct the IFO files with IFOUpdate afterwards. This leaves you with all extras and the menu. If you don't want extras just replace the VOB files that contain them with dummies then use MenuEdit to remove the buttons from the menus that link to them.

[bit-wise]

@Mtz

Thats the way I do it - main movie only. If its 90% or more, I DVD Shrink the VOB's. If it requires more than 10% compression, I DVD2SVCD/FACAR/D2SRoba (using CCE to encode) the DVD. 99% hands off and just fits the movie to the edge of the DVD. Nice set of tools.

[terminator911]

@floppi or anyone else...

Is there a guide to correct the IFO files with IFOUpdate after using CCE to encode the main movie?

Thanks
Terminator

[idbirch2]

Just go to the Big3 guide here:

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/ra-guide.htm#remerge

Scroll just past the 3 lists of VOB filenames and you'll see the IFO update program explained. Very easy - you only need to correct the IFO for the VTS you encoded obviously.

Edit: Hmmm, seems direct links to parts of the guide don't work. Use the table of contents at the top and just go to "5: Putting it all back together"

[terminator911]

idbirch2 Thanks... still having problems.

The new encoded movie files are named VTS_01_1 to VTS_01_5 while the original movie files are VTS_07_1 - VTS_07_7 and after I do the IfoUpdate nothing happens... The menu I'd like to keep is named VTS_07_0.

I rip movie to a directory, move the new encoded files to same directory (only the VOB files as not to replace anything) and then run IfoUpdate... am I missing something here? Or am I supposed to manually rename the new encoded files to look like the originals i.e. from VTS_01_1 to VTS_07_1 and then fill the rest with dummy files?

What exactly does IfoUpdate do? In the end the "final" folder has the huge original files (7.5 gigs) plus the encoded movie (4 gigs)... I'm completely lost.

Any information would be appreciated...

[idbirch2]

You got a little mixed up. Once you've encoded the movie delete the orignal VOBs for it (VTS_07_xx.VOB but leave VTS_7_0.vob as thats your menu). Then rename your encoded movie (VTS_01_xx) to VTS_07_xx and put them in the VIDEO_TS folder. Dummy files aren't necessary - it doesn't matter if VTS7 used to go up to VTS_7_10 but now only goes to VTS_7_5.

I'm not sure which app you used to encode the movie but it should have produced VOBs and IFOs. Using IFOedit, point to the origial IFO (in you orginal rip folder) then to the new IFO (the one you authoring app created). Make sure you correct the VTS sectors. If you've attempted this already it will have gone wrong and you should copy the original IFOs off the DVD back into your rip folder.

The IFOs contain info on where the chapter points are for the movie. IFOs tell your DVD player where abouts in a VOB set chapters go but they dont point at time codes (eg hh:mm:ss) they point to sectors in the file (eg 150MB into the file). Because of this, when you shrink the size of the movie VOBs the IFO ends up pointing at the wrong places for chapters. IFOUpdate corrects these.

I am aware this is a very basic explanation but I'm trying to make this easy to understand.

[CyBeRkId2002]

sorry to sound really stupid but im acomplete noob at this...
I understand what your saying about replacing the original vobs with the new authored ones, thats fine, just having trouble with IFOupdate...

What do i have to do to get it to correct the original and make it look at the correct point in the film???

Thanks alot,
Michael

[idbirch2]

See the link to the Big3 guide I posted above - it shows you how to correct the IFO with IFOedit.

[SidDan]

I find DVD2DVD-R to be the easiest method..... but for the multiple PGC story I have big problems with to author them back

[idbirch2]

Never tried DVD2DVD-R but if it can't handle multiple PGCs it isn't much of a DVD backup solution as half the DVDs I backup contain them. Consider learning the Big3 method if your 1-clickers don't come up to scratch with the more complex DVD structures.

[SidDan]

well... you don´t only have to author with ifo edit and you can actually select Scenarist as for the "authoring-mode" so it will create a script file for you to use with scenarist... as I have heard but haven´t got the chance to try since DVD2DVD-R complains about something after a few secs I start the process

[windtrader]

You can extract any title from a DVD, re-encode it then re-insert it into the original VIDEO_TS folder. All you have to do is make sure you correct the IFO files with IFOUpdate afterwards. This leaves you with all extras and the menu. If you don't want extras just replace the VOB files that contain them with dummies then use MenuEdit to remove the buttons from the menus that link to them
idbirch2 - I'm having trouble using Ifoupdate to do accomplish the sliding in of a compressed title into an otherwise full copy.

Original DVD has 4 VTS, VTS 1 has the movie that I want to compress then slip back in. There are 18 PCGs in VTS1, only the first is the one I am compressing. I used Nero Recode to do a full copy and put placeholders in place for the main movie. I then created a shrinked main movie title and copied the new VOBS into the directory created by Recode.

When I used IfoUpdate it would not take since it said original IFO has multiple PCGS ( a total of 18). I clicked the IFOupdate and Get VTS buttons. Looks like it worked. When I went to play it I see that the chapters are not in the right place. This occurs since I re-encoded the movie and used DVD-Author to place a new set of chapter points. The original IFO still thinks there are 43 chapters while the newly authored movie has only 6. IFOUpdate used the original IFO to process, not the ones I wanted.

Using this technique, is it possible to swap in a newly compressed and reauthored movie that has different chapter points while retaining all the remaining DVD titles untouched?

thx don

[idbirch2]

Using this technique, is it possible to swap in a newly compressed and reauthored movie that has different chapter points while retaining all the remaining DVD titles untouched?

It is although I have never attempted it with Nero Recode. I still use a 1-clicker from time to time to shrink all the extras then encode the main movie with CCE.

Get yourself a copy of DVD Shrink (I prefer version 2.3 because of the "Raw DVD" view). Shrink the whole disc but use 'Still Pictures' on the main movie. Next use DoItFast4U/ReAuthorist/BatchCCEws to encode the main movie only.

When ReAuthorist opens locate the new VIDEO_TS folder that DoItFast4U will have created. Delete its contents and put all of you DVD Shrink files in there (minus the main movie). In ReAutohorist click Browse... at the top and point it back at you working directory. It will then work out the size of you DVD Shrink files and set the bitrate for the main movie. Hit Encode... then use IFOUpdate as described in the guide mentioned above. I think the problem with the method you have used is that no dummy PGCs are created.

If you get stuck feel free to pm me.

[windtrader]

Next use DoItFast4U/ReAuthorist/BatchCCEws to encode the main movie only. This seems like it will result in the same situation in that the origianl IFO thinks there are multiple PCGS in the VTS and I am slipping in just the main movie which represents just one of the PCGS. Are you saying that IFOUPDATE handles this situation properly? If so, then I think the problem I had described has to do with the resetting of the chapter markers ( ie 43 to 6) is the place to focus on. If I were to take the main output as you describe and change those chapter marks, wouldn't I get the same problem?

I may sound dumb but I can not find much documentation on IFOUPDATE other than what is referred to here; that being that section of the Doom9 guide. Is there full documentation elsewhere on how to use IFOUPDATE?

Also I see you use the Big three. I use the DVD2DVD/CCE/Scenarist route to custom control the re-encoding of the main movie. Are there other advantages to using one or the other?

Thanks,
Don

[idbirch2]

If I were to take the main output as you describe and change those chapter marks, wouldn't I get the same problem?

All I can say on that one is I've done it, exactly as described and it works just fine, chapters and all. Like I said I think the programs you use do not create dummy PGS to make up the other 17 in your VTS which is why IFOUpdate screws up. The Big3 always creates dummy PGCs in the right places, hence no problem when you get to the IFOUpdate stage.

Are there other advantages to using one or the other?

Honestly, I don't know because I haven't used DVD2DVD but again, if honest I can't see it being as good as the Big3 becasue its so bloody ace! I strongly suggest you give it a go - a couple of times of using the guide to talk you through it and you'll learn loads.

Don't focus too much on the IFOUpdate stage - its a simple finishing up procedure - if it goes wrong you've done something wrong prior to IFOUpdate - re-think the method.

[windtrader]

Thanks for the support. I'll give it a test run this w/e and see what it creates.