Nero Recode 2 released!

[Saiya-Jin]

Finally it's here! :D
To get the whole "major update" thing, you have to download all 4 packages. And there quite a bit of new features too.

http://www.nero.com/en/632028719687858.html

[amorfeusz]

I was hoping to use Nero Digital to make high quality DVD backups onto DVD-R, but it seems that you can't have more than one audio track :(

I'm not too familiar with the MP4 container, but I assume that it can hold multiple audio streams ...so it's just not implemented in Nero Recode2 ?

Depending on what turns up in a few hours (testing on Pirates of the Carribean), I might have to stick with GKnot for multiple audio track backups.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I found a link to the Nero6 update packs, including Recode2 here: -

http://www.nero.com/en/nero-up.php

Cheers

[Stux]

Originally posted by amorfeusz
I'm not too familiar with the MP4 container, but I assume that it can hold multiple audio streams ...so it's just not implemented in Nero Recode2 ?


I'm not sure if Nero can play them, but 3ivx D4 4.5 lets you create MP4s with multiple audio tracks, and play them. In fact you should be able to add a 2nd audio track to a nero encoded MP4.

Just not sure if Nero will let you play both tracks

[The Edge]

Complete change log:-




New features Nero Burning ROM / Nero Express 6.3.0.0

Unlimited MP3 encoding and OGG vorbis encoding/decoding (only for US customers and requires online registration within 90 days)
Significant usability improvements
AMD64bit support
Hyperthreading support

New features NeroVision Express 2.1.0.0

DVD-VR import
Export to DV camera
Improved capture quality and hardware support
Powerful Undo/Redo function
Choose between 1-Pass and 2-Pass encoding
Default template for new project
DVR-MS (Windows XP Media Center Edition file format) support for Win XP SP1
New filters/effects
- Invert Color
- Multiply pixel
- Gamma correction
- Edges detection
- Emboss
- Enhance details
- Enhance edges
- Enhance focus
- Light edges
- Shift edges
- Soften filter
Splitting function for slideshows with a large number of pictures
Half-D1 resolution for DVD supported
AMD64bit support

New features Recode 2.0.0.0

1:1 DVD to DVD Copy with original menu
Remake a DVD from one or multiple DVD movies
Convert DVDs in amazing quality to Nero Digital while using the Nero Digital profile templates
Fit the Nero Digital files to DVD, CD or custom size
5.1 channel audio support
Unique Watch-while-you-Burn mode
Burn-at-once technology
Quick and advanced analysis model
AMD64bit support

New features Showtime 1.5.0.0

AB Bookmark repeat
Added time search feature (direct input of the target time to jump)
Subtitle and chapter support for Nero Digital
All player features available through right-click
Double-click on display changes to full screen
Double-click on full screen changes to normal window
IFO and DAT files playback support
Powerful post-processing for Nero Digital available
New image settings for film effects
Dynamic Noise Control (DNC) for CD/DVD during playback
AMD64bit support

New features InCD 4.1.0.0

DVD-RAM support
DVD-RW quick format
Significant performance improvements on high-speed media

New features BackItUp 1.2.0.0

On-the-fly compression/recording (Compression can be done without using any temporary storage of hard disc while burning on CD/DVD)
Hot plugging of recorders
Support for HD-Burn recorder
Read-me file on every disc to tell the backup name, disc number and backup information file location
Significant usability improvements
AMD64bit support

What's the story with the Ogg plugin?
Why does one have to register for it?


Edge

[plazz2000]

Hi,

Maybe someone can help me out here, in Recode2 there are 3 options:

Copy Entire DVD to DVD
Remake DVD
Copy DVD to NeroDigital

The first two open Ok for me, but when I click on the third one I get two error messages. The first says that Dolby Digital 5.1 decoding is unavailable and I should install the Multichannel plugin.

The next says that Dolby Digital 2 channel decoding is unavailable and that I should install the DVD-Video plugin, or Nero 6 Ultra Edition.

I have both the DVD Video plugin and Nero6 Ultra installed, but I still can't use the Nero Digital encoder.

John.

[ookzDVD]

Due on my limited download bandwidth.

I'm really minimalize, so I really want to download the only necessary file to enable the Recode 2 : DVDR backup and NeroDigital.

Is that possible only download the upgrade pack #2 ?

Or should I download the upgrade pack #1 also ?

I hope people with LARGE bandwidth can help me to find out these.

Thank you.

[ThePanther]

Has anyone experienced any problems where Recode 2 restarts the machine in mid conversion. DVD -> MP4.

I have tried 4 different DVD, a number of times, and each time (at random places) the machine will reset.

I have reinstalled XP Pro on a seperate partition to ensure that it was not related to anything I have installed.

It still happens on the clean installation.

Any Ideas ?

[ThePanther]

Have tried transcoding DVD 2 DVD and that seems to work 100%, no reseting.

[bond]

hm, it seems that recode2 has some bugs :(

the following things were reported:
- asks for the dvd/mpeg-2 plugin
- asks for the mulichannel plugin
- asks for neroapi
- problems with ND encoding (in the end and in the middle of the conversion)

than its to mention that the ND developers dont recommend the usage of their Qpel and GMC implementation (i hope they will work on Qpel at least :D )

ookzDVD,
i merged your thread with this one as it is not necessary to start a new thread for every question that might arrise in the beginning

[McoreD]

Can anybody please confirm Recode2 can convert a DVD to MPEG4 with 5.1 Channel Audio, so I can burn it to a CD?
The changle log does say it supports DVD to MPEG4, also it says in another place Recode2 support 5.1 Channal Audio support, but those two are not mentioned together.

Thanks.

[Tuning]

Originally posted by bond
hm, it seems that recode2 has some bugs :(

the following things were reported:
- asks for the dvd/mpeg-2 plugin
- asks for the mulichannel plugin
- asks for neroapi
- problems with ND encoding (in the end and in the middle of the conversion)


I think Nero developers has realized that and now all links to update pack2 on German/Japan/Us servers removed.

And i could not d/l buggy version. I feel very lucky.:D.

[Tuning]

Originally posted by McoreD
Can anybody please confirm Recode2 can convert a DVD to MPEG4 with 5.1 Channel Audio, so I can burn it to a CD?
The changle log does say it supports DVD to MPEG4, also it says in another place Recode2 support 5.1 Channal Audio support, but those two are not mentioned together.

Thanks.

Look here for all your doubts:http://www.doom9.org/nerodigital.htm

[Teegedeck]

Originally posted by bond
than its to mention that the ND developers dont recommend the usage of their Qpel and GMC implementation (i hope they will work on Qpel at least :D )
JohnV from HA states that:
[...]because ND developers mean, that if users want to have faster encoding, then these should be disabled. But, if someone wants to use the features nevertheless, they do not recommend against it.

[Jaques]

Well, I was able to get it and I'd like to say that it's a very nice codec, but I'll have to do some more experimenting with it as my results looked very nice on some parts, but very blocky on what seemed to be the brighter parts. Maybe it was qpel? I used what I would use on xvid, wide search (or the equivalent), Mpeg, qpel, and bframes at ~840kbps. Oh, it was encoding at ~60fps on my AXP2400+ with a gig of XMS3200, very nice as xvid only gives me about 6fps.

[lighty]

@bond

I had a same problem here when upgrading from older version.
You simply have to deinstall older version completely, manualy delete folders that remained and clean registry from all Ahead and Nero entries. Then restart, install new Recode2 and/or Nero and it will work flawlessly.

I just finished first encoding so I can vouch this method works.


The reason why this version might have been removed from Ahead server is because it seems that Recode2 could be installed without any serial and as a standalone product. At least that's what some users reported.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by lighty
The reason why this version might have been removed from Ahead server is because it seems that Recode2 could be installed without any serial and as a standalone product. At least that's what some users reported. Yes, I was going to ask about this myself.

I downloaded Nero and Nero VisionExpress last night and was able to obtain direct access to Nero Recode2 without entering a serial. I just assumed it was a 'trial' thing!

However I noticed that certain functions were missing, like 6Ch AAC and GMC.

Also, the encodes won't work on my Xcard at all. Which makes me wonder if Ahead ever tested their software with this card!

Cheers

[JohnV]

Well.. qpel can reduce quality. At least you should have enough bits to spare for it. It could be safer to encode without qpel, unless you want to experiment and/or use higher bitrates.

[Doom9]

qpel also has a very distinctive motion effect on the video.. not everybody likes it.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I been playing with Recode2 some more today, however the following notice keeps appearing: -

"Due to patent license restrictions, Dolby Digital 5.1 channel decoding is not available. This feature can be added by installing the Multi-channel Plug-in."

I don't know about some of you guys but I find Nero's website confusing at the best of times. I could not find any info about such an plug-in or are some features missing from the demo version?

Cheers

[Doom9]

smd: seems you need a valid nero license for some functions.. I was never asked to buy any plugins.. nero showtime even plays my DVDs, and I do have 6ch AAC output and GMC as you can see from the guides.

[sotsog]

Try the following:

1. uninstall nerovision
2. restart
3. install the update package
4. restart

WOrks now for me, got the same messeges ("buy the plugin") before.

Sotsog

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Doom9
smd: seems you need a valid nero license for some functions.. I was never asked to buy any plugins.. nero showtime even plays my DVDs, and I do have 6ch AAC output and GMC as you can see from the guides. Thanks Doom9, I suspected as much!

It was while playing a vob file in 'ShowTime' that the Multi-channel Plug-in notice appeared!

I wonder if this is why the GMC selection tab was greyed out as well?

I also wonder why Nero doesn't simply state in their notice that Dolby Digital isn't available in the promo version!

Cheers

[Tuning]

Originally posted by lighty
The reason why this version might have been removed from Ahead server is because it seems that Recode2 could be installed without any serial and as a standalone product. At least that's what some users reported.

Now again available on ahead servers!. Just started downloading. So I don't know is there any changes.

btw, file name is same.

[bobololo]

Originally posted by Tuning
Now again available on ahead servers!. Just started downloading. So I don't know is there any changes.

btw, file name is same.

Actually it mainly fixes the "internal error" message you get at the end of the encoding in the initial release.

This new version should be fine, so gentlemen start you engine and let's recode a few DVDs :)

-- bobololo.

[Doom9]

I wonder if this is why the GMC selection tab was greyed out as well?You do have the unrestricted profile selected, don't you? Profiles actually limit your choice. I don't know which profile limits you to what but there might be some that won't allow everything. Though it shouldn't have any influence on the audio part.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I have another update.

I've been able to install Recode2 totally on it's own - ie without Nero 6.3.0.0 being installed!

However when the application was initially launched, a notice appeared informing me that the application will expire after a certain number of days, if a serial is not purchased.

But.... what the hey, it works. Which is a little strange because I thought Nero6 and Recode2 were supposed to be 'joined at the hip'!

I still have no 6Ch surround sound though so I guess I'll have to purchase a serial at some time. Which I don't particular want to do because I don't use their burner software anymore!

But having said all of that, if the application can't generate MP4 container files that are suitable for my Xcard, Recode2 is going to be pretty pointless for me anyway!

Cheers

[riggits]

I tried to encode a DVD to NeroDigital, and was told that NeroAPI wasn't present. Also, even though the program started, I couldn't select my DVD. This is a Nero-specific problem, and I think it's because the piracy prevention is not working. The software phones home when I install it.

[bobololo]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital


But having said all of that, if the application can't generate MP4 container files that are suitable for my Xcard, Recode2 is going to be pretty pointless for me anyway!


Do you have a rough idea of the capabilities of your card ? Maybe can you share a mp4 file that runs on your card and explain how you created it ? How do you play the mp4 file on your card ? I guess you have some custom software player ?

Basically, MP4 files generated by ND are supposed to be strictly ISO compliant. Obviously it may has bugs and in this case we'll fix that.

[ThePanther]

Guys,

Is anyone experiencing problems with encoding from DVD (Ripped) to Nero Digital, where you machine resets while encoding.

[Destron]

Originally posted by ThePanther
Has anyone experienced any problems where Recode 2 restarts the machine in mid conversion. DVD -> MP4.
Any Ideas ?

Try checking your CPU temperature.

Destron

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bobololo
Do you have a rough idea of the capabilities of your card ? Maybe can you share a mp4 file that runs on your card and explain how you created it ? How do you play the mp4 file on your card ? I guess you have some custom software player ?

Basically, MP4 files generated by ND are supposed to be strictly ISO compliant. Obviously it may has bugs and in this case we'll fix that.

Well the Xcard is able to play pretty much everything you can throw at it - everything without Qpel and Hpel that is!

I've been able to create MP4 compliant encodes using Sorenson Squeeze 3.5, QuickTimePro. I've also been able create Mpeg4 video streams with DivX, 6Ch AAC audio streams using BeSweet and by using various tools posted on the forum, process, and slip them into an MP4 container.

The Xcard it's self does not require any specialist software, filters, codecs etc to play MP4 container encodes (or Mpeg4 DivX, XviD, Mp3, AAC, AC3 in an AVI container).

If Recode2 is ISO compliant, then you're right, the encodes should play... but they don't!

Cheers

[sarahjh69]

I do have a serial and I still can't select
5:1 sound.......oh well, never mind.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by sarahjh69
I do have a serial and I still can't select
5:1 sound.......oh well, never mind. Well I'm still totally bemused as to why it's able to work without Nero 6.3.0.0!

I've just tried again to generate an encode that my Xcard will like but still no joy!

It's a good job I've got a short music video DVD I'm able to use for testing purposes.

Cheers

EDIT: Yep, it would seem that despite selecting, Simple profile (QuickTime Compatibility). 'Half Pixel' (pel) coding still makes it's way into the encode.

I may be wrong but I don't think this is QuickTime or ISO compatible if you are unable to turn the sodding thing off!

[sarahjh69]

no, 5:1 does work, it was my fault.....
I had entered the serial in nero burning rom
then used nero digital....without ever trying nerovision express.
when I tried Nerovision express, it said demo mode and I
had to enter the serial again.
After entering the serial in Nerovision express, nero digital
would allow me to use dolby 5:1............

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by sarahjh69
no, 5:1 does work, it was my fault.....
I had entered the serial in nero burning rom
then used nero digital....without ever trying nerovision express.
when I tried Nerovision express, it said demo mode and I
had to enter the serial again.
After entering the serial in Nerovision express, nero digital
would allow me to use dolby 5:1............ That's interesting. As of yet I have not run Nero VisionExpress.

I wonder how long I will be able to use Recode2 if I don't run VisionExpress!

Can VisionExpress be purchased separately from Nero?

Cheers

[Stux]

Halfpel (pixel) motion is part of the MPEG-4 Simple Profile

[ThePanther]

Originally posted by Destron
Try checking your CPU temperature.

Destron

Temperature is fine.... max 69oC

[GravuTrad]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
That's interesting. As of yet I have not run Nero VisionExpress.

I wonder how long I will be able to use Recode2 if I don't run VisionExpress!

Can VisionExpress be purchased separately from Nero?

Cheers

Yes, Nerovision express can be purchased separately (pack 2 of nero suite) like the Nero Media Player, what's why sarahjh69 has could have nero recode with dolby 5.1...
You can have it without Nero burning rom...

And the nerodigital codec is great.

[Longinus]

DVD to MP4 opinion.

Nero Recode 2 is VERY, VERY FAST. It gives me about 50 fps.
For the quality, it's nice. Not VERY nice, but nice. One thing I noticied is that post-processing is NOT turned -on by default in the codec, when I play in Media Player Classic (In Nero player, it's prob. on). If I turn on the post-processing filters, the quality improves to nice. Without it, it's very bad. And the codec doesn't seem to be able to save the preferences... reseting the settings every run.

I didn't test it a lot, just used the regular options (plus selected dual pass instead of single)... They all worked fine. I need to test a little bit more, using the advanced stuff... maybe quality can improve more (taking more time to render, of course)..

But I have to tell you.... the speedddddd..... it's so nicee. =D

[SurfDrifter]

Is it possible to use the codec for other uses, besides DVD conversion?

I was hoping to use it with After effects, but i couldn't see the codec in the pulldown list...

[Tuning]

Originally posted by SurfDrifter
Is it possible to use the codec for other uses, besides DVD conversion?
I was hoping to use it with After effects, but i couldn't see the codec in the pulldown list...
This is not possible untill ahead developers decide to make a vfw version.

[Baalthazaar]

Originally posted by ThePanther
Temperature is fine.... max 69oC

If your processor is actually running at those temps during encodes then your problem is definately heat. Even if you have a motherboard with a poor temp sensor I've never heard of one off by more than 10oC and there's no way you'll make it through a full encode even if we assume your temps are inflated. Go and download prime95 and see if you can run it consistently without errors/crashes. If not, you likely have a heat problem.

http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft.htm

You could also test with Sandra or some other CPU intensive app, looping 3DMark'01 for a few hours for instance. I'd recommend Prime95, however, because it will report errors if it doesn't crash immediately.

[McoreD]

Originally posted by plazz2000
Hi,

Maybe someone can help me out here, in Recode2 there are 3 options:

Copy Entire DVD to DVD
Remake DVD
Copy DVD to NeroDigital
etc...
John.

Hi there,

I had the exact problem. Uninstalling, Deleting the reg keys, Installing and Restarting didn't help me either.

Go to Start Smart and click the big NERO button. Click serial numbers and delete all the previous version keys. Then start Nero Burning ROM and it will ask for the key. Now insert your 6.3.0.0 key and everything will work fine after that.

[DarkDudae]

I uninstalled NeVideo.ax to try decode a ND video using FFDSHOW and CoreAAC, and well, CoreAAC opens the audio perfectly. However, I can´t manage to ffdshow opens the vídeo (configuring it to open any MPEG-4 video). Maybe it is problem of the container?

About the quality... it is not a wonder... but it is really easy, and fast to use.

Regards

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Stux
Halfpel (pixel) motion is part of the MPEG-4 Simple Profile Thanks for the clarification.

Well, that's confused me even more now. Assuming that QuickTime Pro uses Halfpel as default in their encodes. Why is it their files play fine with the Xcard and Recode2's don't?

Cheers

EDIT: I'm wondering if it might be something to do with the AAC audio. Up to this morning I just used Nero's ShowTime to see if the encodes worked. However, I found earlier today that despite WMP9 being able to play both the audio and video streams of a Recode2 encode (slide bar dosn't work though). MPC (v6.4.7.2) can only play the video stream. The following 'Warning' appears: -

Stream 1

Media Type 0:
--------------------------
AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Audio {73647561-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
subtype: Unknown GUID Name {4134504D-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}
formattype: FORMAT_WaveFormatEx {05589F81-C356-11CE-BF01-00AA0055595A}
bFixedSizeSamples: 0
bTemporalCompression: 0
lSampleSize: 1
cbFormat: 20

WAVEFORMATEX:
wFormatTag: 0x0000
nChannels: 2
nSamplesPerSec: 48000
nAvgBytesPerSec: 0
nBlockAlign: 0
wBitsPerSample: 0
cbSize: 2 (extra bytes)

I guess Recode2 does not like the Core AAC DS filter I've installed. When everything else does!

I wonder if Recode2 will allow me to generate a 'Video only' encode from my DVD source. If my Xcard can cope with just the video stream encode, then I think it's fair to assume the problem is with the audio!

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
WAVEFORMATEX:
wFormatTag: 0x0000
nChannels: 2
nSamplesPerSec: 48000
nAvgBytesPerSec: 0
nBlockAlign: 0
wBitsPerSample: 0
cbSize: 2 (extra bytes)

I guess Recode2 does not like the Core AAC DS filter I've installed. When everything else does!


Ahead people decided to use another wFormat tag than anybody else until now. Nic selected 0x00FF for his 'crappy beta' AAC filter, and since then anybody else, including the 3ivX people, were using the same one.

BTW, i wonder what wFormat tag alexnoe will use for his AAC-in-AVI implementation, and how mayn different wFormat tags will pop-up as there is no 'official' tag defined from the MPAA ;) .... confusion and frustration of the users are guaranteed, this shit really should never had happened, at least an 'official' GUID for playback on DShow should have been defined by them....

[SeeMoreDigital]

Ahh! Thanks Christian,

I think we are getting nearer to the heart of the problem. Maybe the Xcard does not like this wFormatTag either!

Why is everything like this so difficult to standardise?

Maybe everybody on the Doom9 forum should get together to create our own official "Unofficial A/V Regulative Association" or UAVRA!

Joking apart, it might not be such a stupid idea!

What do you think?

Cheers

EDIT: I forgot to ask. What AAC filter are people using in order to listen to the Recode2 audio stream with MPC?

[McoreD]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
I found earlier today that despite WMP9 being able to play both the audio and video streams of a Recode2 encode (slide bar dosn't work though).

However subtitles won't work in Windows Media Player if I not wrong.
Subtitles worked for me only in Nero ShowTime. QuickTime didn't show either. Can anybody please confirm?

[bond]

the subs nero puts into .mp4 are not mpeg-4 spec compliant and will only be shown in their own players

edit: and did i already say that i hate it if progs steal extensions :devil: