Problem with burnt DVD-R on Standalone DVD Player

[geoffman]

Ok,
I had a two hour fifteen minute XVID with AC3 audio file I wanted to convert to DVD, so I stripped out the AC3 and used the latest TMPGenc to encode the video to PAL DVD compliant MPEG2, as the video was very long I used two pass VBR at max 9300, average 4200 and minimum 1650 to create the m2v file. (when I checked with bitrate viewer I had a peak bitrate of 8707 and an average of 4089).

I then used the latest DVDlab to author the DVD using both the created m2v and the stripped AC3 file (the AC3 is 192 kbps 2/0).

To test it I played the results on my computer using power DVD version 5 and it plays ok.

I then burnt the DVD-R at x1 speed using Nero 6.0.0.23 and my pioneer DVR-106D (firmware 1.07) and test played it on my computer using my pioneer DVD-116 (firmware 1.22), and it played ok.

Now when I place the burnt DVD-R into my standalone player (pioneer DV-355) for viewing on my tv set the DVD-R will play fine untill about the 70 minute mark, after that the picture will tear in places, displaying lots of artifacts and stall, eventually the standalone will just stop and return to the pioneer startup screen.

Could this be a problem with the media I am using (it is Laser brand 4x DVD-R for general use, and AFAIK know only available in Australia), or some other problem?

I have used this media in conjunction with DVD shrink before and these seem to work ok in my standalone pioneer, but I still can't help wonder if it may be the problem.....

[gooki]

"DVD-R will play fine untill about the 70 minute mark, after that the picture will tear in places, displaying lots of artifacts and stall, eventually the standalone will just stop and return to the pioneer startup screen."

Sems like a classic case of bad media. I'd also recomend creating a disc image and burning that to dvd-r, rather than the straight video_ts folder.

[geoffman]

Gooki, thank you for the reply.

I was tending to lean towards bad media (although it works ok in my PC).

Is a normal phenomena of bad media in that it can work ok in the PC and not on a standalone? (As you may have gathered I'm a bit of a n00b at this). :o

Also you have recommended that I make a "disk image", a have had a look on the forum and around the web but I can't seem to find how to do this, can you please advise? (Sorry if it's a dumb n00b question).

Once again thanks for the response.

[gooki]

"Is a normal phenomena of bad media in that it can work ok in the PC and not on a standalone? "

Yes that is one of the most common phenomena noticed when using poor quality media.

Since Laser isn't a manufacturer of recordable media, they will simply be rebranding somebody elses discs do the following to find otu who actually makes the discs.

If you can, download dvddecrypter. install it, put a blank dvd-r in your drive, then run dvddecrypter, and select mode-iso-write.

On the info pannel on the right you should see Manufacturer ID, paste that info below and we should be able to tell you who makes you discs.

As for making a disc image, grab imagetool (latest version should support nero6.0)

[geoffman]

Once again thanks for the reply.:)

Disk info reported by dvddecrypter is:
Device Information:
Current Profile: DVD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Empty
Erasable: No
Free Sectors: 2,297,888
Free Space: 4,706,074,624 bytes
Free Time: 510:40:38 (MM:SS:FF)
Maximum Write Rate: 5,540 KB/s (4.0x)

Pre-recorded Information:
Manufacturer ID: AN32

Physical Format Information (Last Recorded):
Book Type: DVD-R
Part Version: 5
Disc Size: 120mm
Maximum Read Rate: 10.08Mbps
Number of Layers: 1
Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP)
Linear Density: 0.267 um/bit
Track Density: 0.74 um/track

Format Capacity:
Sectors: 4,101,552
Size: 8,399,978,496 bytes
Time: 911:29:27 (MM:SS:FF)

Thanks for the tip about imagetool, I have done a search and found ImgTool at http://www.coujo.de/ (also mentioned on these forums) is that the one you mean? If it I assume you mean the classic version and not the burn version?

[atreides93]

By the way, you should also use a max rate of 8000 and not 9000+ for the VBR...that's overkill and not worth it.

[gooki]

I've heard some not so good things about AN32 discs (still don't knwo the full name of the manufacturer), so i'd go out a pick up a brand name disc (verbatim, taiyo yuden etc) and test with that.

[geoffman]

Atreides, thanks for the tip it is duly noted. FYI I used a bit rate and GOP calculator from DVD-HQ (http://dvd-hq.info/Calculator.html) when I worked out the bit rates I required.

Gooki, I have reburnt with a different brand of disk (shintaro)that a friend of mine loaned me for a trial, and this has worked fine. I guess this confirms that the media was suspect.

Thankyou for your advice and help, it has been most appreciated. :)