Another Player with divx pro features?

[monty0815]

I just found another player, which will be on sale here in Austria
next Monday:
This would be the specification (in german):


-spielt DVD Video/S-VCD/CD/CD-R/CD-RW/MP3/MPEG 4 (DivX und XviD) JPEG, Kodak Picture CD
eingebauter Chip erfüllt Level DivX Pro
Bildformat-Umschaltung (4:3, 16:9)
Kapitelsprung
Pause-/Einzelbildfortschaltung
OSD-Bildschirm Bedienerführung
Untertitel Anzeige
Kindersicherung
Anschlüsse: Dolby-Digital-/DTS Ausgang, Scartbuchse, Video/Audio Out
Abmessungen
43,0 x 5,3 x 24,5 cm (B x H x T)
Zubehör:
Fernbedienung inkl. Batterien, RCA (Video/Audio), Cinchkabel, Scartkabel

http://www.hofer.at/images/artikel/6141dvd_player.jpg

The 2nd line states that the chip meets the divx pro requirements.
Best thing about it is the Price: 89€ (75$ I would guess)
If anybody knows something about it please let me know.

cheers, monty

[Wolfman]

divx pro is still done on 4 levels. The minimum only requires really shitty res of 170x122 and is meant for mobile phones! so stating Divx pro is no great shakes in itself, unless it also states to what level it will attain eg home theater or High Def ??

[Doom9]

home theater is without gmc and qpel...
Best thing you can do is take a disc with divx samples, go to the store and test it. Or find the address of the manufacturer and ask them directly.

[monty0815]

I'll simply get myself one of those on Monday and then give it a thorough test. Easiest way to find out, because I tried finding the original manufacturer, but no luck so far.

monty

[SeeMoreDigital]

Me got a feeling, it will be the same as the Aldi player mentioned here: -

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65578

Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Me got a feeling, it will be the same as the Aldi player mentioned here: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65578hm, at least this player doesnt talk about "divx pro features"

monty0815,
would be great if you can test it and report if it supports gmc and qpel :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

monty0815 has just posted this (see below) on another thread. Perhaps it uses a MediaTek chipset: -

"MTK solution: MT1389 (True DivX Pro)

Compatible with DVD, MPEG-4 (DivX), VCD, SVCD, HDCD, CD, MP3, WMA, CD-R, CD-RW

Extra slim Design(3.9cm) --Super Slim Loader Mechanism featuring

Specifications:
MPEG-4 Video Support
Quality over Bit-Rate 5~2Mbps can achieve DVD quality
DivX Support
DivX 3.11, DivX 4 and 5 ASP
DRM (Digital Rights Management)
ISO 14496 ASP
Xvid
Video
NTSC/PAL Video Output, Capable of playing PAL/NTSC discs
Composite Video
S-Video
Component Video (Y, Pb, Pr)
Progressive-Scan Output (Y, Pb, Pr)
Automatic Screensaver
Super Error Correction with Twin Laser and Intelligent laser Wavelength Control
Menu Driven Setup Screen
Parental Control Function
Audio
Dolby Digital Down-mixed 2-Ch Stereo (L,R)
DTS and Dolby Digital (AC-3) 5.1 Channel Decode
Dolby Digital / DTS / LCPM Bitstream Output
192 kHz Sampling Frequency, 24-Bit High Quality Audio DAC
Analog (Mixed 2 Ch) Stereo (Left, Right) Audio
S/PDIF (IEC-958) Coaxial Digital Audio
S/PDIF (IEC-958) Optical Digital Audio
Power
~110V-~250V, 50Hz / 60Hz AC Universal Power Supply
Automatic Short Circuit Protection 27 MHZ 10 Bit Video D/A Converter
Packing details
Net Weight: Approximately 5.3 lbs (2.4 kg)
Net Dimensions: Approximately: W 420 mm x D 247 mm x H 41 mm
Loading: About 3000pcs/40'FCL
Licenses:
DVD licensing fees include Dolby Digital, Dts Digital out, 3C, 6C.


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Nice work!

Cheers

[monty0815]

Just tested some features of the new player and it really seems to be working.
It does GMC and Qpel with no probs, eventhough I'll have to do some further testing.
Just wanted to let you know that this is the real thing!

cheers

[bond]

holy shit and that for 89€

there must be some downsides :D
plz tell us your testing results :)

[monty0815]

Ok it doesn't play OGM (doesn't even show up) when browsing the CD or DVD.
I couldn't get subs to work either, but I guess that's the typical thing with standalone players, since they don't have any standards.

Plays 3.11 with AC3 perfectly well and even the newest Xvid builds.
Takes a little long to start a movie, but waiting 5 seconds is ok with me.
It's my first divx player and I have to say i'm impressed.

cheers

[Doom9]

Did you test multiple b-frames with qpel and gmc (obviously I'm talking about xvid) with dev-api3 and dev-api4 (packed bitstream and not packed bitstream).

[monty0815]

I'll try testing all these things but it will take a while, since I never did this with a Hardware Player and hence I don't have all the test files.
I'm doing some encoding atm, but if anybody knows of a source for test clips (or could possibly send some), I'd be happy to test them for you (how about that standardized testing procedure from the other thread? That would be handy)
I sure hope I get all the settings right, because I normally just stick with the defaults for my own encodes.
and while I'm at it:
According to some other chap who opened his, the chip used ist the Mediatek 1389. I posted the stats for the chip just a few days ago and you can also find them in this thread.

cheers

[Doom9]

well.. to test my player I've used my standard codec testing scene from The Matrix. The 2nd chapter can use as much bitrate as you give it, so you can be reasonably sure that if you want a real high bitrate clip, you're going to get one (even a 1mbit, the codecs use really high bitrates during the entire shootout and the explosion).

I hope you can squeeze in a few test chapters shortly.. I really want to know if I have to look for people in Austria who could get me such a player (my dad claims my elta player is broken... apparently I'm the only one in the family who can get that player to work).

[bond]

this player uses the MediaTek MT1389 chipset!

now as the elta 8883 claims to be able to play data partitioning and resync markers too, perhaps we should test that with the gran prix too, to find out if the two players use the same chip :D

[Doom9]

@bond: so far no codecs are out that support those features if I'm not mistaken.

[bond]

Originally posted by Doom9
@bond: so far no codecs are out that support those features if I'm not mistaken.nope, have a look here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=65646)

to make it short:
ffmpeg, divx 5.0.2 (the elta only supports divx503+!) support it
xvid will handle it in the future

[Doom9]

and where do you turn it on/off in divx5?

[bond]

Originally posted by Doom9
and where do you turn it on/off in divx5?the last tab, dunno its name
note that it was only available till divx502! dxn removed it for a reason (dunno, perhaps because it was a borked implementation, lack of hardware support, who knows...)

so for testing i would only use ffmpeg (will look if ffvfw supports it)!

[monty0815]

I did some testing: with the above suggestions and it all worked out perfectly.
Enabled GMC, qpel and 2 b-frames with xvid dev api 3.
Both packed bitstream on and off.
No problems so far.
I'll try the matrix scene next.

cu, monty

[bond]

Originally posted by monty0815
I did some testing: with the above suggestions and it all worked out perfectly.
Enabled GMC, qpel and 2 b-frames with xvid dev api 3.
Both packed bitstream on and off.
No problems so far.woaw, i still cant believe that this is there for 89€

thanks a lot monty :)

btw if it is ok for you i will prepare a small data partioning sample, would be great if you can try that too (if it works i am pretty sure the elta uses the same chip :D )

[monty0815]

Yep sure thing.
Just send it on and I'll try it.

cheers

[bond]

monty,
plz grap some sample files with error resilience (data partioning) from here (~5mb)
plz tell me when you finished downloading :)

note that the files have the fourcc "fvfw" as i created them with ffvfw
if the player doesnt recognize them, you can also try to change the fourcc (koepis xvid binaries include a tool called fourcc changer) to something the player might know: ("divx" or "dx50" for divx5, "xvid" for xvid, "mp4v" the standard fourcc for all mpeg-4 files)

thanks a lot :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

OK I'm hooked!

Monty, I've got family living in Germany near the Belgium/Holland boarder!

Where can I get one (or more) of these players please?

Cheers

[Doom9]

the player sounds more and more yummie. If you have time, could you also do a dev-api 4 test with 3 b-frames (that's usually the maximum you're going to use). I'd really appreciate it (I'm almost drooling and contemplating to buy a ticket to Austria right now.. ).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Doom9
.... I'd really appreciate it (I'm almost drooling and contemplating to buy a ticket to Austria right now.. ). Sod that! I'll post one out to you Doom9, if your that desperate!

Cheers

[Doom9]

it looks like the players are only available in Austria after all. But the store is part of Aldi, so they might have the same player in other countries as well (perhaps under other brand names.. there are a lot of sigma based players that are exactly the same except for the front-plate).

[Wilbert]

Time to pay Aldi a visit, and ask them whether they can order such a player :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Doom9
it looks like the players are only available in Austria after all. But the store is part of Aldi, so they might have the same player in other countries as well (perhaps under other brand names.. there are a lot of sigma based players that are exactly the same except for the front-plate). I guess all we really need is for Monty to confirm the players specs. And what it actually looks like!

Monty. Any chance you can take a screwdriver to your player and confirm the chipset too?

Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Any chance you can take a screwdriver to your player and confirm the chipset too?you are late, monty already wrote that it uses the MediaTek MT1389 ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
you are late, monty already wrote that it uses the MediaTek MT1389 ;) I'm just blinded by my excitement!!

He, he... Cheers

Now if we can somehow con MediaTek into manufacturing/sticking their chip on an PCI card, I could dump my Sigma Xcard... Sorted!

[monty0815]

@bond
Just finished downloading the clips.
I'll test them now.

[bond]

Originally posted by monty0815
Just finished downloading the clips.
I'll test them now.great :)

huh, it was posted already 1 hour ago...

[monty0815]

Ok, well that wasn't very successfull:

-It didn't play any of the clips with the clips with fvfw FourCC.
(didn't even start)

-I tried FourCC (changed with nic'smini avic fourcc changer) with DIVX4, XVID, DX50 and mp4v
the first clip (1st-pass_data-part.avi) runs smoothly for the first 5 seconds, then hangs
the other 2 just play for about 1 second

btw. what is the "FourCC used codec" option in the fourCC changer?

cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by monty0815
Ok, well that wasn't very successfull:

-It didn't play any of the clips with the clips with fvfw FourCC.
(didn't even start) Yep. I could get two of the clips to be recognised by my Xcard, however the images were totally unwatchable. The 2b clip even managed to lock my PC. First time that's happened in a while!

The clip with Qpel was a complete no go of course!

Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by monty0815
-It didn't play any of the clips with the clips with fvfw FourCC.
(didn't even start)ok, i thought that it wouldnt know the ffvfw codec

btw. what is the "FourCC used codec" option in the fourCC changer?good question, i dont know :D
the best thing is maybe to change both to the same setting

-I tried FourCC (changed with nic'smini avic fourcc changer) with DIVX4, XVID, DX50 and mp4v
the first clip (1st-pass_data-part.avi) runs smoothly for the first 5 seconds, then hangs
the other 2 just play for about 1 secondhm, interesting results
1) which fourcc did work? all you listed? (btw divx4 doesnt exist, it can only be "divx" - 4 letters)
2) well, as normally a player, who doesnt understand error resilience, cant even play such a file (try for example to decode the files with the 3ivx decoder on your pc to see how it would look like), the chance is great that the gran prix can decode it (and uses the same chip as the elta 8883)!

i guess that the problems are maybe caused by my sample files (it seems that with the one sample the player can play till the first keyframe (at ~5sec), the other files have a keyframe shortly after the beginning, which maybe caused stopping at ~1sec
another possibility would be that the mediatek chip claims to support the decoding of error resilience but their implementation is still buggy...

[monty0815]

the best thing is maybe to change both to the same setting
..thats what I did, just to be on the safe side....

1) which fourcc did work? all you listed? (btw divx4 doesnt exist, it can only be "divx" - 4 letters)

I meant DIV4, but I actually used DIVX, which did work, but only as described
same with xvid and dx50
couldn't get the mp4v to work though, it just skipped those files, similar to how the player treats ffvfw

[Doom9]

btw, I tested ND and 3ivX on my elta 8882, and the latter would not work no matter what I tried (and it's only MPEG-4 simple profile so you'd expect the player to not have any problems). But I'd definitely change both entries.. I think I even went further to hex edit my 3ivX AVIs but to no avail. I also had no luck with the mpegable codec.

I think all players on the market right now can only handle DivX3/4/5 and XviD fourcc and refuse the play the rest.

Please let us know how the xvid 1.0 tests work out.

[monty0815]

do you mean the beta that was just released?
I tried it, but changed back to to dev api 3.
I couldn't really find my way through all those profiles, but I'll try it again later on.

[bond]

Originally posted by monty0815
couldn't get the mp4v to work though, it just skipped those files, similar to how the player treats ffvfwcrap, i dont understand why they cant add mp4v, its the official mpeg-4 fourcc :rolleyes:

but anyways, thanks a lot for your tests :)

edit: hm, did you already try to play a xcd? a xcd is similar to vcd but for mpeg-4 (you can store around 800mb on a xcd)
read more about it here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63047)

Originally posted by Doom9
[B]btw, I tested ND and 3ivX on my elta 8882, and the latter would not work no matter what I tried (and it's only MPEG-4 simple profile so you'd expect the player to not have any problems). ...
I think all players on the market right now can only handle DivX3/4/5 and XviD fourcc and refuse the play the rest.wierd, i suppose you changed the fourcc of the nd and 3ivx clip...

it shouldnt make a difference for the player if a simple profile clip is done by divx5, xvid, 3ivx or any other mpeg-4 codec...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Doom9
btw, I tested ND and 3ivX on my elta 8882, and the latter would not work no matter what I tried (and it's only MPEG-4 simple profile so you'd expect the player to not have any problems). But I'd definitely change both entries.. I think I even went further to hex edit my 3ivX AVIs but to no avail. I also had no luck with the mpegable codec.

I think all players on the market right now can only handle DivX3/4/5 and XviD fourcc and refuse the play the rest. I had the same problem with 3viX encodes with my Xcard.

At first, a warning comes up saying the file is 'unsupported'. But then plays the file.

Very wierd eh!

Cheers

EDIT: Monty.
Can you download Sagittaire's 3viX encode and give it a spin please. GSpot shows the 4CC as being XVID/3iv2. Anyway it's available (together with other encodes) here: - http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=397234#post397234

[monty0815]

I'm running some tests at the moment.
XCDs are readable (lists files) and if the files are .avi the player plays them.
Most of my XCDs are ogm files so they fall flat.
Many XCD-movie-files have a .dat extension, i still need to test if avi files work if they are named dat.
I'll see to that later.

Another thing that worked was a multiaudio divx movie. Switching Audio works like a charm.

The 3ivx link is broken.

[bond]

Originally posted by monty0815
XCDs are readable (lists files) and if the files are .avi the player plays them.holy shit, so to say xcd with avi works?
this player is incredible!!

Most of my XCDs are ogm files so they fall flat.
Many XCD-movie-files have a .dat extension, i still need to test if avi files work if they are named dat.so no ogg vorbis or aac support i suppose? :(
i think also vcds sometimes have the .dat extension!? dunno for sure tough

Another thing that worked was a multiaudio divx movie. Switching Audio works like a charm.:)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
holy shit, so to say xcd with avi works?
this player is incredible!!

...so no ogg vorbis or aac support i suppose? :( AAC audio in an MP4 container should work!

I've got a couple of encodes on my PC I generated using Sorenson Squeeze 3.5.

Cheers

EDIT:
I feel like a little kid in a candy store... But without the candy!

[monty0815]

.....so to say xcd with avi works?

yep

I tried playing ogg files, but the problem is that the file browser doesn't even show files, which it isn't familiar with.
I'm afraid there won't be many firmwareupdates by this manufacturer (it is a rather cheap thing after all), but hopefully firmware by other manufacturers will work with this model, as soon as they are available.

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
AAC audio should in an MP4 container should work!i would be _very_ surprised if this player supports .mp4 already...

Originally posted by monty0815
I tried playing ogg files, but the problem is that the file browser doesn't even show files, which it isn't familiar with.
I'm afraid there won't be many firmwareupdates by this manufacturer (it is a rather cheap thing after all), but hopefully firmware by other manufacturers will work with this model, as soon as they are available. hm, it would be really great if manufacturers will start making their firmware opensource:
it would make it rather easy to add such features to it (of course it will tell competitors too much about the chip internals i think :D )

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
i would be _very_ surprised if this player supports .mp4 already... Well I guess there's only one way to know for sure.

I've just put one on my WebSite - If it's working properly!

Check out 'Area 51' Test Encodes - Mpeg4/AAC.

Cheers

EDIT: Can somebody let me know if my site (http://SeeMoreDigital.net)works or not?

[bond]

nope doesnt work :(

[Doom9]

it shouldnt make a difference for the player if a simple profile clip is done by divx5, xvid, 3ivx or any other mpeg-4 codec...shouldn't and doesn't are two different things ;) I'm just reporting my findings. You know, a generic MPEG-4 logo doesn't sell as well as a DivX logo (and without the DivX logo I'd assume there is no XviD logo either). In the MPEG-4 area, manufacturers will continue to go for the greatest visibility, not ultimate specs compliance for at least another generation.

I guess you can't have your cake and eat it.

@monty0815: did you get my PM?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
nope doesnt work :( How about now?

[monty0815]

still nothing ;)

@doom9
I got your pm just now, didn't see it before