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Arachnotron
28th December 2004, 13:49
One thing that comes to mind is the following. If both chips give about the same quality, why was it only Philips ADC used in professional boards such as Fast AV Master, Pinnacle Pro-One, Pinnacle DV500. Some even say Canopus used Philips ADCs. Why BTs were only used in PCI TV Tuner cards exclusively?

Could simply be price, features, driver support, support in general, availability of good reference designs, easier interfacing to other hardware, availability of custom features (there is an enormous range of video-related chips from Philips) etc. etc.

There have been various improvements for working with ACPI, improved FIFO sizes, better combfilters, better interfaces to hardware MPEG2 encoders, better sound decoding and whatnot since the bt848 and bt878. These improvements matter. However, they are not intended to improve the amount of detail simply because the BT878 already had enough to deal with the maximum amount of detail available in TV broadcasts.

A good example of this is the fusion 878: it is the same as the old BT878, only the interface has been brought up to date to deal with PCI 2.2 and ACPI.

The point is this: the BT878 already had a high enough sampling rate to deal with capturing PAL TV (5.5 MHz bandwidth) at 768x576. The CX kept the same raw PAL sampling rate as the BT878 (35.5 MHz), the Philips series is actually a bit lower. (27 MHz). There simply is not that much detail available in broadcast and certainly not in VHS (only 3 MHz luma bandwidth), and the BT878 already reached the point where it could deal with all of it long ago. Newer chips have improvements on many other points, but not there.

Morbo
12th January 2005, 07:04
I use a Canopus ADVC-100,its macrovision proof,never drops frames and if you can de-interlace via avisynth like the back of your hand,it looks like what you feed it......bar none.

I had a Dazzle Mpeg2(Spawns site sold me a long time ago),but the audio synch and dead color sent me looking for uncompressed goodness.

If you know the usual tricks to cleaning up DTV captures anyway,its a rock solid choice,even if you use it like TiVo with movie maker in XP.

Id buy another one,mainly because its firewire,and my laptop will even use it.

Cheers! and Good Luck!

Sergei_Esenin
12th January 2005, 09:06
Originally posted by Morbo
but the audio synch and dead color sent me looking for uncompressed goodness.

Just bear in mind that it isn't uncompressed, it's compressed with DV. It's by no means a bad choice and gives better PQ than hardware MPEG-2 encoders, but it's not quite as good as capping an uncompressed feed to Picvideo MJPEG @ level 18 or 19, which in turn isn't quite as good as capturing uncompressed video to a lossless codec like huffyuv.