Matrix Revolutions - any comment?

[ppera2]

Has anybody seen it? It's projected Worldwide in Nov. 5...

[Soulhunter]

Im going to watch it today... !!! :D

Bye

[Tuning]

Me too.....
In my region its heared that Revolutions is a better entertainer than Reloaded.

"Mr.Anderson Welcome Back"

[twist3d]

I watched Matrix Revolutions 6.11 (day after the world premiere and here in Finland, Tampere city, there was like twenty other people watching it at the same time :D).

I really thought there could be some kind of twisted ending (like Neo being bad guy etc) but the movie was just like the previous Matrix Reloaded. Few minutes of philosophic blablabla then fifteen minutes cgi-effects.

Some parts of the movie like machine's attack on the zion and the rain fight scene against agent Smith look like real codec killers.
I'm waiting for the DVD release, not for the movie being great but
because of those particular "codec killer" scenes.

I'd give it 3/5.

[DAvenger]

It was better than Reloaded but still ... nah :rolleyes:

[rasta21]

...suxx :D

[cypher_soundz]

man! what can i say , soo many alternatives that they could of used for a GOOD ending! but no :D, i would say it was ok , but still matrix (1st one) owns all the rest!
Regards
cyph

[Fantasma]

Lucky you guys, I will have to wait at least 30 days to watch it.

It is the curse of living in a Third World Country.

:mad:

[Emp3r0r]

I thought the movie was excellent. I wasn't disappointed one bit. It was a little slow to get started but the ending was hang on the edge of your seat. Best showdown ever. Like some good movies it will take a while for you to truly understand what happened. I thought the specialFX were well done and I'd go watch it again just to see the talent those CG guys have. I'm telling you, go see it and enjoy it!

[tiki4]

Well,

what else should I say? The slaughtering in Zion..., well, but why in this movie? I missed the KungFu scenes of the first two parts. About the story, hm, they could've done better, IMHO. I think it all went wrong when Neo started flying on the end of part one.

My main complain: Why didn't they take up the 'matrix in the matrix in the matrix...' idea that was discussed everywhere (also here if I remember correctly)? It seems to me that the script to Reloaded and Revolutions and the computer game and the Animatrix was a bit much for the writers, so they had to hurry. I think the story would have deserved to be better after the high expectations of the first movie.

Sorry for the long post, but I still hate the Frenchman.

tiki4

[BoNz1]

I saw it 2 days ago, it was pretty good. I would give it 4/5, no complaints here. Much much better than reloaded I think we can agree on that :)

[Hiro2k]

Well I think that all 3 movies were great. The first one was obviously the best, because it was the first one!

The second was alright, but it had it's purpose. It was really cool when you find out that there is more to the Matrix than just the Agents.

Now the third one was really cool. It was everything I expected for the end of a trilogy. The ending that most people hated, I liked. For once I saw an ending that wasn't "YAY humans are the best, we PWN everything!" And I think most people didn't see the point of the movies, they weren't trying to free everyone from the matrix, they were just trying to end the war with the machines. Even if you didn't like the movie, you should still watch it for just the CG effects and the last fight with Smith.

[bilu]

I agree that this movie makes a nice codec benchmark :D

But as a movie itself I think it was .... sufficient.
It played is part in the trilogy. But nothing more.

The best were the first one and the second. Mainly the first IMHO.

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I think the part about the Machine Driver was cool. He had his own Matrix, with his own rules, and Neo couldn't hack it. At the end the machines overcharge Neo with power to win against agent Smith.

Was it really power? Or hacking capability for a Matrix created by Smith? The machines knew Neo's hacking capability and gave him processing power?

But agent Smith itself has hacked the Oracle, should he be powerful enough to have dominated the machine's world before Neo even got there?

And why couldn't the other machines develop a hacking capability to destroy Smith before he would destroy them? Humans were no threat at the moment.

And wasn't Smith destroyed in the first movie? How did he came back with this hacking capability he didn't had before? Did Neo gave him that property when he got inside Smith in the first film?

And what about that thing the Oracle said about Neo crushing the Squids: "You're connected to the Source". How's that, if he was in a cocoon like the others? Was he half man/half machine? Where did the machines took him at the end? Would they have a use for him?

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I still have a lot of questions to be answered.


Bilu

[extreme_gamer]

well i agree with most of your replies, and the movie could have and should have had a better ending. the ending seemed to abrupt. IMO they could have made the movie atleast another half hour longer. but i see your point in them not having enough time to make revolutions and all the other games and such. i think the second movie was the best one. but at the end of the second movie, it does not make sense. from what they said i felt that zion was completely gone. or was it that all of the ships they had were lost when that one guy set off the EMP? well my question was answered in the third movie. the third movie really answered all of our questions.

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now first off i dont think neo actually had hacking power. the power he had was control. he could control almost anything he wanted to. neo cant kill smith without help. if you remember in the movie, somebody said that smith is the exact opposite of neo, so when supposedly neo kills smith in the first movie, neo doesnt kill smith, but rather 'edits' him into an evil counter-part. i believe hacking has nothing to do with most of the prospects in the movie. power is.... the reason the other machines couldnt make a program to kill smith is because smith was just as powerful as neo, plus there were 1000's of smiths. when smith 'copies' himself, he's just taking his program, which is more powerful than any other program in the matrix, and over-running the program he wants to be himself.

when neo is running away from the sentinels, and says 'something is different' and turns around and kills them, he is then jacked into the matrix (well, the world between the machine world and the matrix world). when he did that, he should have died, but rather, it gave him more power. also, when he killed the sentinels, he was then able to 'feel' the machines. no, neo is only completely human, but his mind is what makes him able to do what he can to. at the end, i believe that the machines would have brought neo back to zion or something

the funniest part of the movie was when the train leaves from that one station and neo runs into the place where the train went and he comes out from the other end of the screen, lol

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sincerely,
EG

[bilu]

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Originally posted by extreme_gamer
the funniest part of the movie was when the train leaves from that one station and neo runs into the place where the train went and he comes out from the other end of the screen, lol


That's the main reason why I thought of "hacking capability".
Neo didn't knew how to bend the rules on that Matrix.
Or he couldn't.


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Bilu

[ammer]

the robot shooting scenes were cool but how did neo defeat agent smith? he had a sourceless abundance of power that was undetailed. any answers?

[bilu]

That and the Machine driver scene (where he can't bend that Matrix) made me think on processing power given by the machines to Neo so he would be able to bend the Matrix created by Smith?

Bilu

[Hiro2k]

Just looking at it from the Architects point of view, if Neo=0 then Smith=0 since Smith was the Opposite of Neo's equation. ;)

LOL Take that for an explanation!

What I think happened was that since Neo was directly connected to the machine source, the machines could delete all instances of Smith. They couldn't do it before, because Smith was beyond the matrix's controls and no longer a part of the system. But now that Neo was directly plugged in, and Smith had copied himself into Neo, they could delete Smith. That's my opinion on what happened.

[Doom9]

@Hiro2k: I like your explanation of how Neo is able to defeat Smith.
Many people seem to be disappointed that the final doesn't answer all questions. As with many great movies, things are often better left up to the imagination of the viewer (like the best horror movies are those where you hardly get to see any monsters), so I think the movie answered about as many questions as it should have.
I'm still not a 100% on the whole machine driver angle and how Neo is connected without being hooked into the matrix, but I guess I just have to watch it once more.

I found the movie a bit slow at times, and I don't quite understand why the oracle looks different.

BTW, was it just the speed of the action or was the final fight (neo vs. Smith) somewhat blurry especially in the rain?

[DAvenger]

Here's as I understood it : Smith is a virus, Neo is an antivirus. Virus can destroy your hardware (or at least wipe your HDD out which would be very unfortunate, right? ;)). Neo could not ever win the fight, his purpose was to quarantine the threat e.g copy Smith's code into himself and then die.

If he was still connected or if Neo was some kind of hardware I don't know and I think even the authors don't really know this (well maybe Neo had Wi-Fi :D)

P.S I call this a "theory of motherboard" :p

[tiki4]

Originally posted by Doom9


I found the movie a bit slow at times, and I don't quite understand why the oracle looks different.



The actress who played the Oracle (I forgot her name) in parts one and two has died during shooting of the movie, so someone else had to play the Oracle. Also I think originally Aaliyah was casted for Niobe.

Bad luck.

tiki4

[Tuning]

Originally posted by tiki4
Also I think originally Aaliyah was casted for Niobe.

Tiki,to my knowledge Aaliyaa was in Zee's role,not niobe's.

Hi all,
Finally I could get a ticket and watch the third movie.what can i conlude is Matrix 3 is better than reloaded and second to THE MATRIX.

Must say VFX shots were mindblowing,with thumping dolby digital it was a wonderful movie.
The funny thing i could find is the use of indians Unecessarly(Watchowski brs could use french or any nation ppl).Names like rama,kamala,sati...etc.DonDavis/junoreacter track named navras also brings indian mood.(Last title song and some part during neo-smith fight).The only point i could find in this is to encourage indian citizens to watch this particular movie.Bcoz its the first time in india,an english movie is released on the same day as international release.(BTW,reloaded was a terrible flop here,most ppl could not understand what is behind..I remember someone saying the movie is full of action and conversions,both occuring at regular intervals.....)

I think its reasonable,Neo's death.No dissapointments.He did sacrifice his life for zion.Morpheus and niobe became a happy family.That is a good ending.

Some un-understandable portions:
What archietect told to oracle.Did he say all ppl still un-plugged will be freed?
How oracle became alive again?
How could Neo terminate the machines with bare hands?

And I have a question why none triggered EMP,in machine city.Then all machines would have gone.(Any comments?);

[Nic]

(I think Im the only person in the world that feels Reloaded was the best and Revolutions was a huge disappointment...I'm so alone ;) :P )

I like DAvengers last post best as a rough estimatation of what happened...

BTW: was Neo definitely dead at the end?

-Nic

[Tuning]

@Nic,
Are you waiting of another movie called "Matrix Reminded" with neo's resurrection?......joking.

I think Neo is dead and was killed by machines while being plugged to matrix.

[Nic]

LoL. I just don't think neo died...Don't know exactly why but...that ship/thing was taking his body somewhere, Other people/programs that "exploded" when neo became a part of Smith didn't die (oracle, Sati, etc). Sati did also ask the Oracle if they'd see Neo again, and the oracle suggested they might...

It's difficult to say, could be seen as another frustrating aspect to Revolutions.
(of course, general concensus says that Neo dies...maybe I'm being purposefully pedantic about the issue. ;) )

-Nic

[DAvenger]

When the money-flow stops be sure that we'll see another Matrix ... maybe in ten years, who knows ;)

[Hiro2k]

Originally posted by Nic
LoL. I just don't think neo died...Don't know exactly why but...that ship/thing was taking his body somewhere, Other people/programs that "exploded" when neo became a part of Smith didn't die (oracle, Sati, etc). Sati did also ask the Oracle if they'd see Neo again, and the oracle suggested they might...

It's difficult to say, could be seen as another frustrating aspect to Revolutions.
(of course, general consensus says that Neo dies...maybe I'm being purposefully pedantic about the issue. ;) )

-Nic

I was also confused about that part, but I really think that she was talking about "The One" and not necessarily Neo.

Also I think the way they explained the Oracle was that once Neo decided to not return to the source, she had to return to the source and be formed again. Because after all, once Neo made his choice, the Oracle was a useles program. So she was re-inserted into the source and created again for the next "One".

My favorite part of the movie was when all the machines were just floating around Zion durring Neo's fight.

[tiki4]

@Nic:

You're not entirely alone. Me, too, thinks that Reloaded was much better than Revolutions. Nevertheless, I can't stand all those stupid characters like the Frenchman (what's it called?) talking BS about how nice it is to curse in French. Also the architect is a very weak character IMHO.

I still think the wonderfully complex and (supposed to be) realistic first movie had deserved a better sequel. There is absolutely nothing said about the levels of control between architect, oracle, source and the agents. There's so much talking about nothing important and that really drives me crazy...

O.K., but most of you liked it, so I'll shut up and crouch into my corner of minority :D

tiki4

[Nic]

Just to be difficult (lol) - I really liked the Merovingian (Frenchman) and thought Lambert Wilson was excellently cast as him...his acting was so colourful compared to the very dry acting of Trin,Morph&Sereph (assumingly on purpose).

But it's all subjective, and threads like this probably don't belong on this forum, not even in the General Discussion section as there are forums elsewhere dedicated to such things.

So I'll stop posting about it now :)

-Nic

[len0x]

Originally posted by Nic
(I think Im the only person in the world that feels Reloaded was the best and Revolutions was a huge disappointment...I'm so alone ;) :P )


I gotta admit that Reloaded was the most entertaining one. Not much philosophy, some nice jokes which were almost totally absent in first and third parts. But I always prefer movies which have more substance in them. Revolutions looked perfect to me as an end to the story (and if doesn't take into account surprising factor of the first one - even better that that. Also I wasn't that impressed by original Matrix, because it was sort off _excellent_ rip-off of ideas from Dark City, implemented much better than latter admittedly).

[extreme_gamer]

i agree with you, davenger... i started to think that of course smith was a program (more of a virus) and the matrix itself did not have anti-virus programs. neo was the only anti-virus program around. but neo could not defeat his exact opposite. when neo was jacked into the matrix for the last time, he said that 'you were always right smith, it was inevitable' and smith copies himself from neo. since neo was jacked in, and smith was the same person now as neo, the machines could read the program of smith and delete it. you cant kill a virus without knowing what to kill. smith didnt realize that since the new smith was actually neo, whatever he was plugged into from could now delete smith.

i believe that neo did in fact, die. at the end when all of the smiths were getting deleted, neo was deleted too. the reason the oracle and seraph were still alive is because they were programs, a part of the matrix system, and the virus of smith was just overpowering their program. the machines sent a powerful anti-virus program through neo to kill all of the smiths, which neo could not handle, so he dies.

in order from best to the not so best in qualtiy are the matrix reloaded, then the first matrix, then matrix revolutions. the ending could've been better, it just wasnt that powerful as it should've been. the wachowski brs could have held off the matrix revolutions for another month or two, to make the ending better. but still, all three are very good movies and they're all just about the same in quality.

but these are just my opinions.......

[cypher_soundz]

So are all the humans still in pods? or are they going to free the ones that have free will so that when the humans Vs machines start up again they can start back over?In the first matrix Morpheus says "at the beginning there was one person born in the matrix which had the power to control everything" my thoughts are that Sati is the new "one". I gotta say I'm so confused about the whole thing!
also i think that the matrix is just like any computer here today , stuff goes wrong , they format :p and then reload everything lol and start over agian.:confused:
regards
cyph

[Atamido]

Originally posted by Doom9
I don't quite understand why the oracle looks different. The original actress that played the oracle died. (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0287825/) In the movie it was said that she had to get a new 'shell'. I don't think they explained this very well as it was a forced situation.

[Tuning]

Originally posted by cypher_soundz
i think that the matrix is just like any computer here today , stuff goes wrong , they format :p and then reload everything lol and start over agian.:confused:

Then I would say "Matrix Re-installed!" in third movie.

[Emp3r0r]

BTW, was it just the speed of the action or was the final fight (neo vs. Smith) somewhat blurry especially in the rain?

This was the only complaint my buddy had about the movie. He mentioned it was hard to see what was going on because they were both wearing black fighting in the dark. I personally don't remember it being a problem.

Another thing that no one has mentioned is those programs that felt love. That was bogus throwing that in there, but I guess there could be no peace without love.

[extreme_gamer]

Emp3r0r.... i dont think anybody really even noticed. yes neo did question the programs loving each other, so that cleared up everything right then. still, it is a little strange though.

[Doom9]

well, the fact that Smith turns into someting unwanted only after getting in touch with Neo seems to contradict a virus/antivirus theory. I wouldn't have heard of a program running amok after being passed through by an antivirus.

So are all the humans still in pods? I think they stay. And as the architect explained, eventually there is going to be another One and another war. Zion was not destroyed but neither was the Matrix. The machines simply formed a temporary alliance with a Zion exponent (Neo) to fight rogue elements in their own ranks (Smith). They still need human beings to power the machinery and considering the Animatrix and the fact that humans started the war, I find it hard to imagine that the machines would simply selfdestruct.

[mf]

lol, why is everyone referring to the Trainman as "machine driver" ? :D I think it was pretty clear they needed a new actor for the oracle. (Smoking kills :rolleyes:) She played it very seamlessly though, imho. Due to Neo's exhaustion it wasn't clear if he was dead or just asleep from exhaustion, but personally I think he's dead. You didn't see him fall apart in matrix code, or the Smith that he had become do that. Personally I had expected Neo's face to stay the same though, when Smith overrid him. It'd've been nice, his clothes and glasses all transforming to Smith, but his face to still be Neo :). Also, someone mentioned "shouldn't absorbing the oracle made smith super-strong?", I think no. You could see he was seriously having problems with the oracle's "functions" that he had inherited. He wasn't used to this deja vu effect and it only confused him. Could Sati be the next "one"? No. She's a program, and doesn't have a physical body. Smith was only able to enter the real world through his copying mechanism, with which he took over Bane. I think Sati might be a machine example for human-machine peace, as Morpheus clearly will be a human example of that. About the love, I think it's made very clear. Love is not such a special thing, it is just the meaning that the word carries. For humans, it is an instinctive urge to reproduce, for which love is a subconscious "trick", to make us do it even though we are intelligent and can think about it and call it taboo. For AI, love is just as logical. In an artificial neural network, somebody could hardcode love, and it'd be just as authentic as our human love. It is our intelligence that gives love its special meaning, for we can think of a million valid reasons to want to be with someone, but the root would still be our instinct to reproduce, our hardcoded urge to keep our species from extinction.

[int 21h]

In Enter The Matrix, at least the PS2 version, it has a scene that talks about the Oracle's transformation, but yes, it is because the original actress passed away.

Enter The Matrix also has an interesting scene in a subway station where the trainman (who you don't know is the trainman at the time) walks by and says something like "25 minutes... 25 minutes is how long Zion lasted the last time.."

[Arkay]

Well. Just saw it today and can say I totally enjoyed it and will continue to do so. Probably more and more with each viewing (when it's released on DVD).

Have to agree that it left a lot of questions unanswered but I'm eternally grateful that it didn't end in a cliched Humans fight machines, Humans win, everything is rosey scenario.

At least we've all got something to debate for a while :) I'd fully expect either another set of Matrix movies in 10 years time or possibly even a TV series in the very near future. It worked with Stargate and I think there's a ton of scope there. If you think about it it does make sense.

SPOILER WARNING FOR ANYONE WHO HAS NOT YET SEEN THE MOVIE!!!!



I believe that Neo is dead, in terms of balance there are two possibilities:

1. Neo = alive therefore Smith = alive (the other programs survived and the Oracle alluded to the fact that we would again see Neo).
2. Neo = dead therefore Smith = dead (Trinity is also dead which leaves the ancilary characters to form a TV based series when the humans realise that they don't want ANYONE used as a battery and the war re-starts).

It'd be easy to go either way. Smith could get himself back into the matrix quiet easily if he'd transfered himself to one other human (whom we dont know of yet) etc etc... The possibilities are endless.

In terms of ratings the first was definately the best, mainly because of the concepts introduced. The other two I'd leave as equals, both very different movies but equally as good.

Maybe I'm just a computer administration nerd but I have to say I love all 3. I am very happy with the fact that someone finally decided to pitch a movie above the normally perceived intelligence level of the "general public".

Cheers,
Arkay.

[mf]

Originally posted by Arkay
I believe that Neo is dead, in terms of balance there are two possibilities:

1. Neo = alive therefore Smith = alive (the other programs survived and the Oracle alluded to the fact that we would again see Neo).
2. Neo = dead therefore Smith = dead (Trinity is also dead which leaves the ancilary characters to form a TV based series when the humans realise that they don't want ANYONE used as a battery and the war re-starts).
Whoever except the Architect said the equasion needs to be balanced? :rolleyes: We found out even he has his limitations.
/me will put it in a very lame way:
Architect = bad guy :p
Oracle = good g..erm..woman :D
Architect says: Equasion needs to be balanced
Oracle says: Equasion needs to be unbalanced
Oracle = good woman, so we believe her :D.
Conclusion: Neo is alive, Smith is dead :D.

[Doom9]

who says the Oracle and the Architect don't get along? They met at the end of the movie and didn't get into a fight. So, I dare to say that the Oracle was created to help the One in his quest. With the war ended, the cycle is complete and will eventually restart (though this time it had another ending than intended), and she'll once again help the One in humanity's fight against the machines.

As every One looks the same (we know that from movie 2), I'd assume they have the same names, too, so it is not surprising that the Oracle tells Sati they might see him again. For all Sati knows, it will be the same person.

[Hiro2k]

@Doom9

That's what I've been trying to say all along. But you phrased that much better than I did.

[KpeX]

Interesting thread to read. I finally saw the movie this weekend on Imax :D and I definitely didn't notice any blurriness; I was quite impressed with the effects, especially with the rain in the Smith/Neo scene. There was a bit too much film grain for my taste but that seems to be the trend lately.

As far as the movie goes, I felt that Reloaded was the most entertaining movie out of the three. I loved Revolutions, but they dropped the ball in a few ways.

Take a look at Reloaded: excellent new character development (the Frenchman and his wife, the twins, the architect, etc.) but not much new in Revolutions. Reloaded also had the highway scene which was to me the best scene out of the trilogy. However, I enjoyed how the plot was brought together and was written in Revolutions with a somewhat open ending; if every loose end had been tied up, this would have been a six hour movie at least.

My conclusion: from a pure action standpoint, Reloaded and the original were far better, but I still was very impressed with Revolutions.

[Animaniac]

SPOILERS:

Neo is dead. For one simple reason, the story arc is about enlightenment and sacrifice. If anything he's in some nonphysical immortal form where he is the spirit of the matrix (the last track of music played is titled "Spirit of the Universe"). Furthermore, the lyrics chanted throughout the movie are "Asato ma sadgamaya, Tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya" which is sunskrit for "From delusion lead me to truth, From darkness lead me to light, From death lead me to immortality." Each of the three phrases corresponds to the the three movies. What the oracle means by saying we may see Neo again could be either he's the spirit of the matrix or that the Neo program/machine/human being may be utilized by the Oracle/Architect again some day.

[dTb]

I saw it last night and I reckon it was very good, I thought the ending was very good, much much better than that stupid matrix within the matrix idea everyone got caught up with after reloaded.
To me the whole lot has finished, all lose ends tied up, nothing more to say, well almost nothing.
The new Agent Smith was created when Neo destroyed him in movie one, due to the nature of the matrix and it's efforts to balance things out something changed in Smith in order for him to balance out the one.
This is what happens imo, Smith merges with Neo and they cancel each other out, there is hints that the machines are playing their part, the white light makes me feel that neo was connected to the source by the machines, thus smith is also and is destroyed.
In my opinion there will be no re-occurance of the same cycle, the cycle has been broken, it's possible the one might reappear again but his purpose can not be the same as everything has changed.
To my mind the war is well and truly over, the Architect states that everyone will be freed and he makes it clear he is not deceitful like humans are. The onus is now on the humans, they were the ones who essentially started the war, hopefully now they can see a world where humans and machines can co-exist.
I liked the bit in the train station with the indian man, it's the first time in the trilogy that we get a glimpse into the machine world. It was good to be shown that the machines aren't exactly the evil oppresors they may seem, the situation in the movies is just as much the fault of humans as it was machines.

I think I've typed enough for now, I didn't find everything as hard to understand as some people, I feel I've figured out most of the angles and hopefully I've shed some light for some people.

I'll leave you with one thought, how much of Neo's personality was his own and how much was machine code?

[ppera2]

I saw it couple days ago finally. It was first time that I saw warning about forbidding video cameras in theatre (in Hungarian one).

For my taste, it's far better than second part. Very few kung-fu, spectacular assault on Zion, well developed plot etc. It's clear that Neo sacrificed himself at end. But... they left space for sequel, with Neo alive - it's not clear that he really died. Destroying of Smiths was logical by Matrix rules - when neo realised that he can't defeat Smith, he left him to 'occupie' his ego in Matrix...
Anyway, sacrifice was not really some big thing from him - without Zion, Neo would be lost undoubtedly. After it came more-less usual Hollywood happy end.

I watched again second part - must say that it was more some intermezzo than real part of story. Actually, what it added to story could be put in less than half hour - introducing Zion and Architect and brief history of Matrix(es). Middle (main) part of movie was just demonstration of effects and variations for fight. Too much, too lifeless, and especially not needed for story.

I didn't see that someone discussed about titles of second and third part. Why it's called 'Matrix reloaded'? Perhaps because of Architect's explanation at end about multiple restarts of Matrix?

Revolutions for third part? What revolutions? Only revolution was at end... Maybe it's again because of multiple Matrix renewals???

[shahmat]

I read an interesting article about the time Reloaded came out supposedly "explaining" what was going to happen in Revolutions. In it, it gave the premise that somehow, the humans created a huge EMP blast over the machine city at the start of the war (when they fired off the BIG nukes) and shut down all of the machines. They then programmed them to think that they were human for some reason. At the time it seemed pretty far fetched, but looking closely at the movie, it makes much more sense.

Everybody remember the "unneccesary" celebration scene in Reloaded? Y'know, the one where everybody's down in the cave doing a huge, humanity-wide bump'n'grind? Did anybody notice the the similarity to the dance scene when Trinity, Morpheus and Seriph break into the Merovingian's club? :eek:

I'm not entirely sure what the whole scene with Neo in the train station was all about, but by all accounts, it was simply to teach Neo that the programs resident in the Matrix could understand the uniquely "human" concept of love. Yet many times throughout the trilogy a heavy emphasis is placed on the idea that the biggest thing separating the humans from the machines is the fact that humans can feel emotions. If the machines know what love is, how are they any different from the humans?

The electrochemical packets roaming our brains called "memories" are easily rewritten or erased, as evidenced by people who study a lot or are constantly forgetful. However, behavior is a fairly hardwired thing; despite what you may have learned, much of your reaction to a situation is automatic (that's how they train special forces troops and martial arts students, so the actions come without thinking). How could a Matrix program "write" itself into a living human brain without utterly compromising it? I would think that the resulting chaos of trying to rewrite hardwired neural connections would cause massive brain damage. On the other hand, if the victim were another machine (such as Smith taking over all the other programs in the Matrix) it would be a fairly easy matter to overwrite your basic personality into someone else.

The whole idea of the One was someone who could alter the fabric of the Matrix. However, Neo seemed to be the One to end all Ones because he could actually touch the power that drove the consciousness of the Machines. Unless humans have developed advanced telekinetic powers (which are not evident anywhere else in the human population), how could Neo touch the Source unless he were linked to it like the other machines ?

And the biggest question to date is this: if the humans are the prime power supply for the machines, how can they unplug everybody from the Matrix (i.e. free humanity) and still function?

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Originally posted by shahmat
And the biggest question to date is this: if the humans are the prime power supply for the machines, how can they unplug everybody from the Matrix (i.e. free humanity) and still function?
Solar power? Humans are the only ones who can travel through the thick layer of harmful storm clouds, and they might just help the machines by building a power source there.

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I think that there is no need for some 'serious' discussions about machine power issues (and other things too, btw.).
It's quite clear, that 'humans as batteries' is just symbolic, metaphore.
If someone starts to think about human body as electric (or any other kind) power cource, he can just show lack of elementary physic knowledge.
Need more explanation? - Human needs expensive food to stay alive.
Although that gas (benzin) is more expensive than milk, it still stays :D (taxes, taxes...)

Yes! I discovered why machines are superior. In their world no taxes, no lawyers... Hurra! :D