movie plays backward

[stef24]

after a succesfull burn i now see my movie plays backwards! i burnt the cue files created by dvd2svcd with nero, eveything went according to plan and i hardly changed any of the defaul settings of dvd2svcd

when i open play the movie in real player or powerdvd, it starts at the end, ie with the credits.

i guess its a problem with the order in which the chapters are placed, but have no clue how to fix this.

thanks for any advise
stefan

WNASPI32.DLL 2.0.1.50
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- 10/27/2003 9:15:27 PM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 build 3
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Initializing
- G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_0.IFO
- G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_1.vob
- G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_2.vob
- G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_3.vob
Initializing finished.

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- 10/27/2003 9:15:31 PM
- Free on drive G: 10925.66 mb
- Internal rip
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Preparing vobfiles to be ripped:
- G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_1.vob
- G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_2.vob
- G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_3.vob

Ripping: G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_1.vob
Ripping: G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_2.vob
Ripping: G:\P9016DVD\VIDEO_TS\VTS_03_3.vob
Framerate: 25000
Ripping finished. Speed: 9534

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- 10/27/2003 9:20:26 PM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[G:\SVCD conversion\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[G:\SVCD conversion\VTS_03_1.vob,G:\SVCD conversion\VTS_03_2.vob,G:\SVCD conversion\VTS_03_3.vob]
Framerate: 25000
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 10/27/2003 9:22:14 PM
- Free on drive G: 8174.16 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: G:\SVCD conversion\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Framerate: 25000
Audio extraction finished.

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- 10/27/2003 9:24:55 PM
- Free on drive G: 7818.41 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: G:\SVCD conversion\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "G:\SVCD conversion\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "G:\SVCDCO~1\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "G:\SVCDCO~1\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -C 0db -S 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of G:\SVCD conversion\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 10/27/2003 9:53:49 PM
- Free on drive G: 7615.63 mb
- Video Encoding using TMPGEnc
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- Encoding G:\SVCD conversion\AviSynth_Script_file.avs
StreamSectors: 1667869728
AudioSectors: 159249776
VideoPAPO: 23369328
ScanOffsetBytes: 147147
SeqAligningBytes: 9352028
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 8
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 1.00
PureMPEGStream: 1475751440.30
Seconds: 6546.88
CalcMPEGStream: 1475751440.30
Frames: 163497
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 2
Cut point 795.00
Max. Bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 1803.30
Min. Bitrate: 300
Executing TMPGEnc. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\TMPG encoder\TMPGEnc_2.56.39.143_Plus\TMPGEnc.exe" "G:\SVCD conversion\TMPGEnc_Project_file.tpr" /Encode /Close
Video Encoding finished.

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- 10/28/2003 9:07:15 AM
- Free on drive G: 5533.03 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 10/28/2003 9:07:17 AM
- Free on drive G: 5533.03 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 10/28/2003 9:07:20 AM
- Free on drive G: 5533.03 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 10/28/2003 9:07:22 AM
- Free on drive G: 5533.03 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "G:\SVCD conversion\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of G:\SVCD conversion\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3145 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 3147
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "G:\SVCD conversion\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 10/28/2003 9:17:55 AM
- Free on drive G: 3907.31 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: G:\SVCD conversion\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3147.102 seconds G:\SVCD conversion\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing: G:\SVCD conversion\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
3393.045 seconds G:\SVCD conversion\bbMPEG_Muxed_File01.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 10/28/2003 9:19:04 AM
- Free on drive G: 3903.28 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 9

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="G:\SVCDCO~1\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="G:\SVCDCO~1\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "G:\SVCDCO~1\VCDXBU~1.XML"
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- 10/28/2003 9:21:47 AM
- Free on drive G: 3882.25 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 16

CD image #2: CD_Image_File_CD2.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="G:\SVCDCO~1\CD_Image_File_CD2.cue" --bin-file="G:\SVCDCO~1\CD_Image_File_CD2.bin" "G:\SVCDCO~1\VCDXBU~2.XML"
Image creation finished.

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- 10/28/2003 9:24:32 AM
- Free on drive G: 3862.28 mb
- Conversion done!
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[r6d2]

Originally posted by stef24
after a succesfull burn i now see my movie plays backwards! i burnt the cue files created by dvd2svcd with nero, eveything went according to plan and i hardly changed any of the defaul settings of dvd2svcd

Let's try to narrow the possibilities:

1. "The movie plays backwards" as in backward mode? Assuming your did not press the "backwards" button on your remote, we need your AVS script.

2. Try mounting the images with Daemon tools or CloneCD and using PowerDVD check if it happens the same. (It's a good practice to check the images this way before burning them, to save CDs and time in case something went wrong).

3. You just burnt them with Nero, right? You did not author again. Please confirm.

4. Also post you VCX Builder log.

5. Try playing the MPEG muxed files directly with WMP or PowerDVD. (Assuming you had "Don't delete any files" checked.)

[stef24]

not backward mode. the movie starts with the credits and the music plays forward. this is memento, so very confusing

i confirm i did burn with Nero and did not author again. didnt find any info in the doom9 guide to dvd2svcd. what does it envolve exactly?

below are the scripts you asked for. i have to admit i deleted the files, so last night i re encoded and these are the scripts.

technically, they are not the scripts that produced my faulty movie, but i changed nothing about the settings, so they should be the same

and judging by the VCX builder log, the problem is there

thanks alot for your efforts they are greatly appreciated!
- stef



///AVS script

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("G:\SVCDCO~1\DVD2AV~2.D2V")
BicubicResize(480,432,0.0,0.6)
AddBorders(0,72,0,72)
ConvertToRGB()


/// VCXBuilder Log

--DEBUG: EEL sysid=[G:\SVCDCO~1\VCDXBU~1.XML] pubid=[(null)]
--DEBUG: EEL sysid=[http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/videocd.dtd] pubid=[-//GNU//DTD VideoCD//EN]
++ WARN: initializing libvcd 0.7.12 [cygwin/i686]
++ WARN:
++ WARN: this is the UNSTABLE development branch!
++ WARN: use only if you know what you are doing
++ WARN: see http://www.hvrlab.org/~hvr/vcdimager/ for more information
++ WARN:
--DEBUG: changed album id to `MEMENTO'
--DEBUG: changed volume number to 1
--DEBUG: changed volume count to 2
--DEBUG: changed restriction number to 0
--DEBUG: changing 'next volume use sequence 2' to 0
--DEBUG: changing 'next volume use lid 2' to 0
--DEBUG: changed volume label to `MEMENTO'
--DEBUG: changing 'relaxed aps' to 0
--DEBUG: changing 'update scan offsets' to 0
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-01/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-02/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-03/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-04/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-05/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-06/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-07/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-08/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-09/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (end/3)
--DEBUG: sequence count 1
--DEBUG: adding sequence #0, G:\SVCDCO~1\BBMPEG~1.MPG
--DEBUG: pts start offset 0.220000 (max pts = 3147.300000)
--DEBUG: playing time 3147.080000
INFO: scanning mpeg sequence item #0 for scanpoints...
--DEBUG: already scanned... not rescanning
--DEBUG: pbc: psd size 872 (extended psd 0)
--DEBUG: iso9660: highest alloced sector is 240 (using 300 as isosize)
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-02) at 280.280000, closest possible entry point at 280.040000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-03) at 669.070000, closest possible entry point at 669.320000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-04) at 1252.870000, closest possible entry point at 1253.040000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-05) at 2197.600000, closest possible entry point at 2197.960000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-06) at 2417.510000, closest possible entry point at 2417.800000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-07) at 2583.600000, closest possible entry point at 2583.880000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-08) at 2851.000000, closest possible entry point at 2851.000000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-09) at 3074.240000, closest possible entry point at 3074.200000
++ WARN: generated image (359211 sectors [79:49.36]) may not fit on 74min CDRs (333000 sectors)
--DEBUG: OGT streams available: 0 0 0 0
INFO: writing track 1 (ISO9660)...
INFO: writing file `EXTRA/DVD2SVCD.XML' (7268 bytes)
INFO: writing file `EXTRA/SVCDINFO.TXT' (3490 bytes)
INFO: writing track 2, MPEG2, PAL 2/3 D-1 (480x576/25fps), audio[0]: l2/44.1kHz/192kbps/stereo ...
--DEBUG: MPEG packet statistics: 325670 video, 32940 audio, 0 zero, 0 ogt, 1 unknown
--DEBUG: writting post-gap ('leadout pregap')...
INFO: finished ok, image created with 359211 sectors [79:49.36]


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--DEBUG: EEL sysid=[G:\SVCDCO~1\VCDXBU~2.XML] pubid=[(null)]
--DEBUG: EEL sysid=[http://www.gnu.org/software/vcdimager/videocd.dtd] pubid=[-//GNU//DTD VideoCD//EN]
++ WARN: initializing libvcd 0.7.12 [cygwin/i686]
++ WARN:
++ WARN: this is the UNSTABLE development branch!
++ WARN: use only if you know what you are doing
++ WARN: see http://www.hvrlab.org/~hvr/vcdimager/ for more information
++ WARN:
--DEBUG: changed album id to `MEMENTO'
--DEBUG: changed volume number to 2
--DEBUG: changed volume count to 2
--DEBUG: changed restriction number to 0
--DEBUG: changing 'next volume use sequence 2' to 0
--DEBUG: changing 'next volume use lid 2' to 0
--DEBUG: changed volume label to `MEMENTO'
--DEBUG: changing 'relaxed aps' to 0
--DEBUG: changing 'update scan offsets' to 0
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-01/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-02/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-03/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-04/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-05/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-06/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-07/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-08/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-09/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-10/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-11/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-12/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-13/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-14/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-15/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (chapter-16/2)
--DEBUG: adding pbc (end/3)
--DEBUG: sequence count 1
--DEBUG: adding sequence #0, G:\SVCDCO~1\BBMPEG~2.MPG
--DEBUG: pts start offset 0.220000 (max pts = 3393.224078)
--DEBUG: playing time 3393.004078
INFO: scanning mpeg sequence item #0 for scanpoints...
--DEBUG: already scanned... not rescanning
--DEBUG: pbc: psd size 2192 (extended psd 0)
--DEBUG: iso9660: highest alloced sector is 244 (using 300 as isosize)
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-02) at 100.340000, closest possible entry point at 100.320000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-03) at 355.220000, closest possible entry point at 355.320000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-04) at 499.740000, closest possible entry point at 499.360000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-05) at 614.180000, closest possible entry point at 614.280000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-06) at 779.340000, closest possible entry point at 779.440000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-07) at 852.380000, closest possible entry point at 852.440000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-08) at 1006.940000, closest possible entry point at 1007.040000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-09) at 1172.460000, closest possible entry point at 1172.560000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-10) at 1449.700000, closest possible entry point at 1449.600000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-11) at 1844.780000, closest possible entry point at 1844.560000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-12) at 2030.180000, closest possible entry point at 2030.040000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-13) at 2250.420000, closest possible entry point at 2250.480000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-14) at 2556.860000, closest possible entry point at 2556.800000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-15) at 2851.500000, closest possible entry point at 2851.560000
--DEBUG: requested entry point (id=entry-chapt-16) at 3035.380000, closest possible entry point at 3035.440000
++ WARN: generated image (358771 sectors [79:43.46]) may not fit on 74min CDRs (333000 sectors)
--DEBUG: OGT streams available: 0 0 0 0
INFO: writing track 1 (ISO9660)...
INFO: writing file `EXTRA/DVD2SVCD.XML' (15664 bytes)
INFO: writing file `EXTRA/SVCDINFO.TXT' (3490 bytes)
INFO: writing track 2, MPEG2, PAL 2/3 D-1 (480x576/25fps), audio[0]: l2/44.1kHz/192kbps/stereo ...
--DEBUG: MPEG packet statistics: 322656 video, 35514 audio, 0 zero, 0 ogt, 1 unknown
--DEBUG: writting post-gap ('leadout pregap')...
INFO: finished ok, image created with 358771 sectors [79:43.46]

[r6d2]

Sorry, I cannot see anything wrong with your log files. You have no AviSynth command to invert the playback, and the VCX build log show increasing chapters and time codes, so everything seems OK.

I assume you already watched Memento some time at the movies, and thus you know that it is a backwards movie. ;)

Just in case, open the ripped VOBs with PowerDVD and watch them on your PC. Does it look the same as your encode?

Also, remember to do steps 2 and 5 from my previous post.

[stef24]

well the strange thing is that the start of my rip (ie the credits) play in reverse. and then the "first" scene is not the first nor the last in the actual movie

utter confusion. could it be some kind of copy protection that scrambles the order in which the chapter are burnt? seems unlikely but cant find an explanation for this ...

anyone?

ill try with another movie thats less confusing

BIG THANKS

[r6d2]

Originally posted by stef24
could it be some kind of copy protection that scrambles the order in which the chapter are burnt?
No.

I have not encoded that movie since I don't own it. But did you follow my directions? What did you find out?

Can you play the original DVD on a standalone or in your PC with PowerDVD to see how it plays? Does it play in the same way as the encoded?

Remember: that is a confusing movie.

[stef24]

i watched it first on my standalone and it was the way it should be

when i play the ripped vobs with power dvd it also starts wrong, ie backward credits. mounting in daemon tools does the same (seems like a wicked piece of software though)

you know in memento how a scene ends, and the start of the next scene is the beginning of the previous scene, ie they are not "merged" right? well in my rip its merged right!

thanks man,
stef

[r6d2]

Originally posted by stef24
you know in memento how a scene ends, and the start of the next scene is the beginning of the previous scene, ie they are not "merged" right? well in my rip its merged right!
Gee, this is so fantastic!

Word of mouth is that the movie was shot normally (forward fashion), and then the director rearranged the pieces at editing phase. Could it be that part of this "artistic" creation lies on the authoring of the DVD?

Interesting indeed.

Give other rippers a try, perhaps one of them gets it right. Good ones: DVD Decrypter, vStrip (internal to DVD2SVCD), SmartRipper.

[stef24]

well, i was sure i posted a reply yesterday suggesting just that.

the scenes are all on the dvd in chronological order and the editing of the scenes is done on the dvd ... ?!

i dont quite remember what came in what order, so i cant quite describe the order in which the scenes are being shown, but they are *definatly* merged right (not like the normal movie)

i have to add that i ripped with DVD Decrypter because the internal rip in dvd2svcd produces an "authcall.exe has generated errors and will be closed down"

stef

[r6d2]

Originally posted by stef24
the scenes are all on the dvd in chronological order and the editing of the scenes is done on the dvd ... ?!
Well, there's still a test you have not reported: playing the DVD on your PC.

If it plays exactly as on your standalone, then it means that somehow the PGC is so scrambled that the ripper you used does not get it. You may try others.

We should have started by using the lovely search button :o. Detailed instructions will come up for that interesting movie. Try yourself.

(Wish I could get my hands on that movie.)

[manono]

Hi-

I ripped that film with no problem (R1 .avi, though). Are you sure that you used DVDDecrypter in IFO Mode, and not in File Mode?

[stef24]

yep it was ripped in IFO mode. id imagine there are quite a few different formats of this movie around, euro vs us, asia, vs special edition etc?

i just did the same process on another movie and it worked perfectly. so apart from making a specific backup of my memento copie, i managed to get what i want, ie backing up my dvd collection

big thanks, this is technology at its best ... !