Burning Help - NOOB -

[Matrix905]

Hello all,

I've been reading the forums for the last couple of days now, I just recently received a Pioneer DVR-106 and looking forward to burning dvds.

Only problem is I'm confused about all the tools that are being used. I am familiar with DVD ripping as I've done Many rips to back up my DVDs and with the help of the boards here I've managed to figure it out.

Ok, so from what I understand to burn a DVD you need to get rid of CSS. Once that's done either by using DVDDecryptor to rip the files onto your hard drive, then use either CloneDVD or DVD shrink to burn them to the DVD?

Is this correct?

Thanks,

- Matrix905 -

[Arianos]

DVDShrink does not 'burn' the files it creates. Clone DVD ,well, does, but you have to do a little reading at their official forum
http://club.cdfreaks.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=74 if you HAVE to use this method.
Alternatively, you can download the trial version of Nero http://www.ahead.com and use it's DVD Video option.
Bottom line, you have some reading to do.
Best place for that: http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=60
Good luck, and welcome to the forum :)

[Chowskie]

Arianos,

u also can use Imagetool to make your ready to burn files into an ISO image then use DVDDecrypter to burn the image to DVD. Check this link (http://www.dvdrhelp.com/guides) out.

[ddlooping]

Hi all. :)

Matrix905, you could use DVD Shrink to rip and compress if neccessary, and burnatonce to burn to DVD-R.
Free process all the way through. ;)

http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php

http://www.dvdshrink.info/burnatonce.php

[monomer]

Originally posted by Matrix905
Hello all,

I've been reading the forums for the last couple of days now, I just recently received a Pioneer DVR-106 and looking forward to burning dvds.

Only problem is I'm confused about all the tools that are being used. I am familiar with DVD ripping as I've done Many rips to back up my DVDs and with the help of the boards here I've managed to figure it out.

Ok, so from what I understand to burn a DVD you need to get rid of CSS. Once that's done either by using DVDDecryptor to rip the files onto your hard drive, then use either CloneDVD or DVD shrink to burn them to the DVD?

Is this correct?

Thanks,

- Matrix905 -

Okay, I'm not sure just how much of a NOOB you are to all this DVD 'back-up' stuff... but I'm going to assume you are really, really new to this. When you ripped with DVDDecrypter (I assume to your harddive) most likely your settings were the default and as such you already DeCSS (removed CSS) the movie. If the ripped movie was small enough (<4.37Gb) you could simply burn it using any burning program such as Nero, RecordNow Max, etc. However a problem arises if the movie is greater than 4.37Gb... you need to get it small enough so it will fit on one 'burnable' disc... that's where these compression programs fit into the scheme of things. These DVD "one click" solutions are mainly concerned with, compressing movies down to fit on a single DVD. These programs are DVD2One, DVDShrink, IC8, etc. Some will also burn as well, IC8 for instance. Even DVDDecrypter will burn if the movie is in ISO form. You will have to do a lot of reading to 'fill in the spaces' but I hope I've given you a basic understanding of the process... it usually goes like this: Rip/strip then compress then burn. If this was too basic for you, I apologize.

[Matrix905]

Thanks for the info, I've just got a few new questions :P... I'm just wondering about the files that are ripped from DVD Decrypter, I've read the guides about ripping from the DVD and there's 3 different modes, File, IFO and ISO. I'm just wondering how you know which mode to rip to?

And, do the compression programs work for the dual layered DVDs? is this why we need the compression programs to fit a >4.37GB movie on to one DVD?

Anyhow thanks for all your help I have a lot to learn :D, but atleast it's fun.

- Matrix905 -

[ddlooping]

I'm just wondering about the files that are ripped from DVD Decrypter, I've read the guides about ripping from the DVD and there's 3 different modes, File, IFO and ISO. I'm just wondering how you know which mode to rip to?

If you're ripping a DVD5 (doesn't need compression), you can use the ISO mode. This will enable you to than burn with DVD Decrypter (ISO write).
If you intend to compress/re-author the rip, use "File" mode, making sure you select all the files (not movie-only, which is/used to be DVD Decrypter default behavior).
Simple guide: http://www.dvdshrink.info/dvd-decrypter.php
And, do the compression programs work for the dual layered DVDs? is this why we need the compression programs to fit a >4.37GB movie on to one DVD?
Yes they do, and that's mainly why they are needed. ;)
Anyhow thanks for all your help I have a lot to learn :D, but atleast it's fun.

You're welcome. :)

[Kedirekin]

I prefer ISO mode because it's difficult to mess up. You end up with a perfect copy of the DVD with no CSS encryption - perfect for burning back to a DVDR if it's small enough, or perfect for further processing if it's too big.

File mode will work too, but introduces the possibility for human error. IFO mode, IMO, is for more advanced work. For example, I believe DoItFast4You process uses IFO mode extensively.

The second part of your question is exactly right. The compression programs exist to compress dual layer DVDs so they'll fit on a single DVDR.

One final point - if you rip to ISO and you want to run a compression program on it, you need to mount the ISO as a virtual drive using something like daemon tools. Some of the compression tools will let you compress right from the original DVD, but DVDDecrypter has the best DeCSS engine, so I prefer to rip to ISO, mount it, and compress from the mounted image.

[Matrix905]

Thanks again! you're all very helpful,

Just one more questions, I was wondering why if I use ISO mode do I have to mount it using Daemon Tools before I compress it? (this is just for my personal understanding I guess)

hehe, thanks again! :D

- Matrix905 -

[jel]

Daemon Tools is a virtual cd/dvd rom emulator that allows you to 'mount' your iso image on a virtual drive. this decreases wear and tear on your drive and reduces the frustration of accidently deleting a needed file while compressing/stripping/etc your dvd, requiring you to reload the original dvd and find the file you deleted.
...or something like that ;)

[Matrix905]

Originally posted by Kedirekin

File mode will work too, but introduces the possibility for human error. IFO mode, IMO, is for more advanced work. For example, I believe DoItFast4You process uses IFO mode extensively.

One final point - if you rip to ISO and you want to run a compression program on it, you need to mount the ISO as a virtual drive using something like daemon tools. Some of the compression tools will let you compress right from the original DVD, but DVDDecrypter has the best DeCSS engine, so I prefer to rip to ISO, mount it, and compress from the mounted image.

Hey Kedirekin or anyone that might know the answer to another question,

Is it possible to run a compression program on the ISO file once I mount it using Daemon tools? this sounds like it's going to be easier than using File mode (as I don't quite understand how to author a dvd just yet...that's prolly step 2 for me). Since what I've been reading and from what I understand is that File mode will allow you to run a compression program and ISO mode is only for movies less than 4.37 GB.

Thanks for all your help :D

- Matrix905 -

[ddlooping]

Matrix905, ISO mode will only allow you to run a compression program if you "mount" the image, as previously explained. :)

Using "File" mode does not require that extra step which is why most will use it when compression and/or re-authoring is required. ;)

I don't know what "compression/re-authoring" software you intend to use, but here are a few user-friendly DVD Shrink guides:
http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php

[Kedirekin]

Yes and no. Once you mount the ISO, you can run a compression program against it just as if it were another DVD drive (that's what I do).

However, the compression program won't compress the ISO in place; it will create a new set of DVD files that collectively are small enough to fit on a DVDR.

My preferred way to get those compressed files onto a DVDR is to use Image Tool Classic to turn them into another ISO, then use DVDDecryter to burn that ISO.

I know it sounds like a lot of extra steps doing all this ISO stuff, but I personally thinks it's safer. Just as ripping to ISO largely side-steps the possibility of human error, so does making an image with Image Tool Classic.

Image Tool has some checks to help ensure the DVD will be playable (like making sure the DVD files are in the VIDEO_TS directory), and you can mount the new ISO in daemon tools and check it out in a software player before burning. It's a lot less time consuming then always burning to an RW to make sure everything is okay (though I do that sometimes too).

PS. I use ISO mode for almost all my rips, including DVD9s.

[Kedirekin]

Thinking about this thread further, I thought I'd clarify a point (since it does say NOOB).

When you install daemon tools, it will create a new drive letter on your system (drive E in my case) - this is a virtual drive. When you mount an image, daemon tools acts very much like you inserted the DVD into the virtual drive.

Just so it is clear, you don't access the ISO from the compression software, you access the virtual drive.

Give it a try - you'll see what I mean.

[Matrix905]

Thanks guys for being so patient and helpful... I think I'm ready to give this a go. I will let you know how things turn out!

Thanks so much!

- Matrix905 -

[ddlooping]

"Thanks so much!"
You're welcome. :)

"I will let you know how things turn out!"
Please do. ;)

[Matrix905]

Ouch... I ran into a problem :(

I've been reading the guide to DVD Shrink and I'm trying to back up a 2 layer dvd, I think that the re-author mode is going to be have to be used. As the only level of compression I can use is 10 and the problem is I would like to keep some of the extras.

as I'm not too familiar with DVD shrink I was wondering what happens if I just drang and drop the tracks directly into the DVD area... and would this cause a problem for the DVD player?

Thanks for your help :D

- Matrix905 -

[ddlooping]

Hi Matrix905. :)
Originally posted by Matrix905
...I was wondering what happens if I just drag and drop the tracks directly into the DVD area...
The titles will play sequentially, in the order they appear in the "New DVD" pane. ;)
You should also be able to change title using your remote control.
...and would this cause a problem for the DVD player?
It shouldn't. :)

[Matrix905]

Sorry all, one more question

I'm using Image tool Classic to turn the files I compressed into an ISO file for dvd decryptor to burn.

Thing is ITC says I need VIDEO_TS directory in the directory that I put the compressed files. Currently there is an AUDIO_TS but no VIDEO_TS. when I make the VIDEO_TS directory do I stuff all the VOB,BUP and IFO files into that directory?

Thanks again :D

EDIT: Whoot! success!!! made my first rip works great, only thing is I don't have menus just the movie and the ripped extras. guess my next conquest will be to figure out how to put menus in and etc.

anyhow THANKS!!!!

- Matrix905 -

[Kedirekin]

That's Image Tool Classic protecting you from making a bad image.

You've got the right idea. Create a VIDEO_TS directory and put all the output from DVDSrink (all the IFO, BUP and VOB files) in it. Typically I create the VIDEO_TS directory before running DVDShrink, and point Shrink to the VIDEO_TS directory when I start the back up.

FYI: Image Tool creates the AUDIO_TS directory for you if there isn't one. Some few stand alone players won't play a DVD unless it has a AUDIO_TS directory - though I think that's pretty rare as there are plenty of original DVDs now that don't have an AUDIO_TS directory.

PS. I don't want to imply Image Tool protects you from every possible issue. Image Tool just protects you from some simple issues (like typos [VIDEO-TS] or creating an empty image). If you're just doing DVDShrink and Image Tool, I think you're pretty safe.

If you decide to do anything else (back up with the Big 3 instead of Shrink, for example), you should probably burn to an RW to make sure things are all right before committing to an R.