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bobwillis
25th October 2003, 00:19
Hello,

RE: Mr Bass' DVD2DVD guide using CCE v2.5 & Scenarist.

Firstly, many thanks to Mr. Bass for the excellent guide & to D2S for the excellent program. This is my first attempt at using DVD2DVD.

I will apologise in advance if this post gets on anybodys nerves; I have already searched and read pages but as yet haven't found a definitive answer. BTW, this is not a media problem, I have done several IC & Shrink backups with no problem. However, I am a complete newbie to DVD2DVD and its component programs / plugins.

When following Mr. Bass' guide for DVD2DVD with Star Wars Episode 2 (UK Region 2 PAL), I get a white vertical line (artefact) on the chapter where the yellow introductory writing is scrolling up the screen. It is positioned about a third of the way down the screen in the centre. All the other chapters seem ok. This occurs when playing back using PowerDVD XP4 and on my Pioneer DV656A stand alone. A DVD Shrink backup does not produce an artefact with the subtitles enabled, nor does the original disc. The defect is only visible when the subtitles are enabled; so it is contained in the subtitle stream.

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions. Thanks for any help in advance.

Equipment: Athlon XP1800+ & 512MB RAM, VIA KT266A chipset (with latest motherboard drivers as recommended).

Software:
WinXP Pro with SP1 & all critical updates installed.
CCE 2.5 without CRC patch (downloaded from this site).
Scenarist Pro 2.7
DVD2DVD 1.2.1 b3 bundle.

Ripping Method:
Ripped all files using DVD Decrypter 3170 in file mode.

DVD2DVD Settings (very similar to Mr Bass' recommendations):
Misc tab: DVD2SVCD level: advanced.

Conversion tab - no deinterlacing.
Multipass VBR - 2 passes (in order to save time).

Encoder tab - Safemode unticked.
Image Qual Priority 17 (I've read elsewhere a recommendation of 5; could this be the problem, or does it just affect bit rate distribution?)
Anti noise filter unticked
Bias 20
Field code automatic
Time code 00:00:00:00 it was a default of 01:00:00:00 but I changed it to all zeros like Mr Bass' screenshot (I don't understand the ramifications).

Frameserver tab:
No editing checked
Add Sample audio checked (since I saw it was recommended for an Athlon).
Bilinear resize used (changed from the default of Bicubic to match Mr Bass' screenshot).

CCE Advanced Settings:
Linear quantizer scale :checked
Zigzag scanning order: checked
DVD Compliant: unchecked
Progressive frames: checked
Intra dc precision: Auto checked (10 displayed)
Use CCE Template unchecked
Colour Conversion: YUY2
GOP: M=3 N/M=4 Seq Header every 1
Restrict Auto I Frame Insertion: unchecked
Close all GOPS: unchecked


Resultant DVD2DVD Log File:

WNASPI32.DLL 4.71.2.0
--------------------------------------------------------
- 24/10/2003 17:01:55
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2DVD ver. 1.2.1 build 3
--------------------------------------------------------
Initializing
- C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_0.IFO
- C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_1.vob
- C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_2.vob
- C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_3.vob
- C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_4.vob
- C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_5.vob
- C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_6.vob
Initializing finished.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 24/10/2003 17:01:57
- Analyzing subtitles
--------------------------------------------------------
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x22 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x23 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x24 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x25 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x20 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x21 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x26 Language: English
Subtitle found: StreamID: 0x27 Language: English

Executing subtitle selection/verification.
Subtitle selection/verification accepted.
2 subtitle streams selected.
Saving Subtitles ini file
--------------------------------------------------------
- 24/10/2003 17:03:21
- DVD2AVI
--------------------------------------------------------
Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[C:\sonic\output files\source\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_1.vob,C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_2.vob,C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_3.vob,C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_4.vob,C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_5.vob,C:\DVD Decrypter\star wars 2\VTS_01_6.vob]
Framerate: 25000
DVD2AVI processing done.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 24/10/2003 17:05:27
- Free on drive C: 94572.83 mb
- Extracting the subtitles.
--------------------------------------------------------

Subtitle extraction finished. Extracted these subtitles:
SVCD Stream no: 1 Language: English Num. of subs: 0
SVCD Stream no: 2 Language: English Num. of subs: 1341

Saving Subtitles ini file
--------------------------------------------------------
- 24/10/2003 17:10:06
- Free on drive C: 94569.90 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
--------------------------------------------------------
Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: C:\sonic\output files\audio\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: 0 ms
Framerate: 25000
Audio extraction finished.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 24/10/2003 17:15:06
- Free on drive C: 94569.90 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
--------------------------------------------------------

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 4682829788
AudioSectors: 465766784
VideoPAPO: 65324556
ScanOffsetBytes: 307473
SeqAligningBytes: 19541617
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 6853476
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 0.00
PureMPEGStream: 4125035877.67
Seconds: 8206.28
CalcMPEGStream: 4125035877.67
Frames: 204982
CDSize: 4480.00
Number of CDs: 1
Cut point 4468.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 204982
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 2
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 2000
Max. bitrate: 9000
Avg. Bitrate: 4021
Aspect Ratio: Anamorphic (no borders, encoded as 16:9)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("C:\sonic\OUTPUT~1\source\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
BilinearResize(720,576)
Import("C:\sonic\output files\video\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
ConvertToYUY2()
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 1.460
Video Encoding finished.

Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
SVCD subtitles.
--------------------------------------------------------
- 24/10/2003 21:54:58
- Free on drive C: 90644.95 mb
- Creating DVD-Image using Sonic Scenarist
--------------------------------------------------------
Creating Sonic Scenarist Script file
Executing Sonic Scenarist
Closing program
Image creation finished.

--------------------------------------------------------
- 24/10/2003 22:38:01
- Free on drive C: 77189.96 mb
- Conversion done!
--------------------------------------------------------

After reading several pages on the DVD2SVCD & CCE forums, I have gathered there is a CRC patch for CCE2.5. I have now installed this.
Also, people have recommended using internal routines to rip, so I have now started the process again using internal routines with the CRC patch applied. In the meantime, I wondered if anyone else had any suggestions.

Many thanks in advance.

Bob
bobwillis
25th October 2003, 07:23
Update:

Unfortunately, installing the CCE CRC patch and ripping with internal routines did not do the trick; the subtitle artefact is still visible.

Additional issue:
Missing 2nd subtitle stream (with the 2nd rip - not the log above - I screwed up the subtitle selection in the first attempt)

I selected the forced subtitle stream as stream 1 and the normal subs as stream 2.

I received this in the log (which looks fine to me):

Subtitle extraction finished. Extracted these subtitles:
SVCD Stream no: 1 Language: English Num. of subs: 37
SVCD Stream no: 2 Language: English Num. of subs: 1341

Unfortunately, only Stream 1 appeared in the final output; any thoughts or suggestions?

In addition, the remaining stream was not forced like the original disc. I could force it using ifoedit (2cools guide) but I thought that's what the forced box was supposed to do. Whenever I check the forced box DVD2DVD reports that there was no subtitles found in the stream - like in the first log posted above. Clearly I don't know how to use the forced option - an explanation of what it does and how to use it would be much appreciated (I have searched).

Bob
bobwillis
25th October 2003, 13:20
Update 2:

I am still struggling to acheive an output that contains 2 subtitle streams (as well as the subtitle artefact).

More information from scenarist's log:

Info Importing MODIFIER VERSION
Info Importing Data
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL
Warning This Video [ C:\starwars3\video\Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL.mpv ] has different duration.
Info Importing Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Info Importing def_subtitle1
Info Importing def_subtitle-st1
Info Importing en100001.bmp
Info Importing en100002.bmp
upto
Info Importing en100037.bmp
Info Importing def_subtitle0
Info Importing def_subtitle-st0
Info Importing en200001.bmp
Info Importing en200002.bmp
Info Importing en200003.bmp
Info Importing en200004.bmp
upto
Info Importing en201340.bmp
Info Importing en201341.bmp
Info Importing Tracks
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_3
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_6
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_9
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_12
upto
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_150
Info Importing Scenario
Info Importing First PGC
Info Importing First PGC_cmd_1
Info Importing VideoManager
Info Importing VTS_1
Info Importing Title_1
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-p
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_1
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_2
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_4
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_5
upto
Info Importing Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_152
Info Importing DefaultPalette
Info Restoring Link Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s -> DefaultPalette
Info Restoring Link Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_1 -> DefaultPalette
Info Restoring Link Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_2 -> DefaultPalette
Info Restoring Link Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_3 -> DefaultPalette
upto
Info Restoring Link Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_152 -> Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_150
Info Restoring Link Title_1 -> Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_1
Info Restoring Link Title_1 -> Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_4
Info Restoring Link Title_1 -> Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_7
Info Restoring Link Title_1 -> Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_10
upto
Info Restoring Link Title_1 -> Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_151
Info Validateing Video (Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL)
Warning This Video [ C:\starwars3\video\Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL.mpv ] has different duration.
Info Validateing Track (Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t)
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:00:21;18
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:01:44;24
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:04:10;12
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:13:43;20
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:28:32;11
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:34:35;14
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:37:47;20
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:54:24;13
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:01:01;15
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:08:21;15
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:10:57;13
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:20:19;04
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:38:30;11
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:45:21;18
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:55:31;04
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 02:10:19;00
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:00:21;18
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:01:44;24
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:20:19;04
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:24:31;16
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:51:39;02
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 02:10:19;00
Info Finish Importing

From Scenarist Build Tab

Info
Info Creating DVD Files
Error Scene duration shall be more than 0.4 second.
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:00:21;18
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:01:44;24
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:04:10;12
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:13:43;20
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:28:32;11
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:34:35;14
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:37:47;20
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:54:24;13
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:01:01;15
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:08:21;15
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:10:57;13
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:20:19;04
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:38:30;11
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:45:21;18
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:55:31;04
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 1 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 02:10:19;00
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:00:21;18
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 00:01:44;24
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:20:19;04
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:24:31;16
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 01:51:39;02
Warning Sub-Picture (stream 2 in Track "Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t") is across scene boundary at 02:10:19;00

Info No VTS<VTS_1> Language Tracks found
Info Creating DVD data (VTS Title) VTS#01
Info Preparing to multiplex track Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t
Info Creating Multiplexer info
Info Encoding subpicture C:\starwars3\subs\en100001.bmp
Info Encoding subpicture C:\starwars3\subs\en100002.bmp
upto
Info Encoding subpicture C:\starwars3\subs\en201341.bmp
Info Multiplexing
Info Multiplexing VOB Main Stream
Error The number(8.0) of frame in a VOBU is less than 10.00 (around 02:16:38;24).
Warning Exiting is canceled because "ExitVobuSizeError" is 0 in the file Scenarist.ini.

Info Reading Database for VTS<VTS_1>

Warning The Prev Cell<Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_150> and the Current Cell<Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_152> are connected seamlessly and the Current Cell<Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-s_152> has only one VOBU.(PGC:<Encoded_Video_CCE_PAL-t-p> (Title:<Title_1> VTS:<VTS_1>) )
Warning Some DVD players have problems with this limitation.
Info No VTS Language found
Info Creating Video Manager Information. (File: VIDEO_TS.IFO)

Info Creating VTS<VTS_1> Title

As you can see there are clearly two streams imported but they are crossed over - i.e en1*.bmp becomes def_subtitle-st1 & en2*.bmp becomes def_subtitle-st0. Only en1*.bmp is available in the final output (and they are not forced). I looked at the resultant VTS_01_0.IFO using ifoedit and found only one stream so only one stream is being created in Scenarist. (It is nothing to do with the old bug where the 2nd stream had 2 ids).

Is this a bug with scenarist or am I doing something wrong.

Cheers for any help / ideas.

Update:
I found RB's post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39755&highlight=star+wars+dvd2svcd+subtitle it seems the .bmp files contain this artefact. Is there any way to resolve this issue. Is the complex authoring of this DVD also causing only one sub stream to be encoded?

Bob
bobwillis
29th October 2003, 19:15
Hello again,

I have done another couple of tests this week (with different source material), and each time, the final output only has one available subtitle stream despite two different ones being selected in DVD2DVD.

I'm sure someone must have successfully done this. If so could you please post, in order to indicate it is actually possible.

Regards,
Bob

BTW the star wars ep2 subtitle defect is still present, I don't know how to remove it.