a/v sync issue

[H8_2BU]

I am having sync issues while trying to run DVD2SVCD. I am a newbie to the forums here but I have been using DVD2SVCD for a long time with no problems. I apologize if the answer is right in front of me.

Generally when I back up a movie from a dvd to a svcd I am happy with the quality of 2 discs providing the movie is under 2 hours. Even now I have no sync issues if the movie is under 2 hours and the end result is 2 cds or two mpeg files. The problem only exists when the movie is beyond 2 hours and requires 3 discs. The sync will start out dead on but will become slighty off by the end of the first disc or mpeg file. The second file will progressively get worse and by the third cd or mpeg file, the sync is way off. When I say 3rd CD or mpeg file what I really mean is both. I never use DVD2SVCD to create image files so it stops after the bbmpeg process and I simply use vcdeasy to burn the images later. With earlier versions of DVD2SVCD this was never an issue(earlier as in before besweet). I did experience CCE problems with the current version of DVD2SVCD where CCE would crash. The only remedy I found to halt the crashing was using AVISYNTH version 2.5.2 and selecting the MPEG2DEC.dll versus the mpeg2dec3.dll, otherwise I would get the Windows XP message of death(You know error reporting service or whatever the heck it is). Sorry for being such a noob if this question was answered a million times already.


My system specs.
Windows XP PRO
Gentoo Linux
Via P4PB400 Mainboard
Pentium 4 2.4ghz/533 fsb
768 mb Samsung DDR400
450 Watt ps
3 WD 40 g 7200 rpm hds
Teac cdr(w) burner
Panasonic DVD 8x
ATI tv wonder
Nvidia GF-4 64mb DDR
SoundBlaster 5.1
Adaptec ASPI v 4.60(1021)
Page FIle @ 768mb

DVD2SVCD version 1.2.1 build 2
CCE SP version 2.5
AVISYNTH version 2.5.2 (only version I can use without crashing CCE)

Thank you for your time,

NEWBIE----->>> H8 :)

[jsoto]

:logfile:

I'm trying to guess, but I only can imagine scenarios where the number of CDs is not a factor..
i.e.: If you have errors in your ac3 stream, probably BeSweet fixes them, but some frames should be skipped, resulting in a shorter audio stream.

Check the lenght of your elementary streams and let us know:
audio: see BeSweet log: "Encoded_audio_1.log"
video: frames/fps (parameters of dvd2svcd project file.d2s)

jsoto

[H8_2BU]

I got really tired of the Windows XP message of death so I went back to Win2000. After a fresh install I went to the DVD2SVCD website and noticed an update. I bought the new Matrix movie on DVD yesterday so I decided to try and back it up early this morning on a fresh install of windows. Still I am having sync a issue and I did notice some errors in one of the files you mentioned. I am such a newb when it comes to the technical side of things so hopefully yourself or someone else can explain to me why I am having trouble. I am starting to wonder if my DVD-ROM is going bad.

DVD2SVCD v 1.2.1 build 3
CCE SP V 2.5

Thank you for your time,

H8


BeSweet v1.5b19 by DSPguru.
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Using azid.dll v1.8 (b825) by Midas (midas@egon.gyaloglo.hu).
Using Shibatch.dll v0.24 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using MP2enc.dll v1.129 (23/5/2002), Engine 1.129 <http://www.cdex.n3.net>.

Logging start : 10/17/03 , 02:22:05.

C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 -output H:\VIDEO-~1\COMPLETE\Encoded_audio_1.mp2 -logfile H:\VIDEO-~1\COMPLETE\Encoded_audio_1.log ) -azid( -L -3db -C 0db -S 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -ota( -d -83 ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
[00:00:00:000] | Output: H:\VIDEO-~1\COMPLETE\Encoded_audio_1.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:-82] +-------- AZID -------
[00:00:00:-82] | Input Channels Mode: 3/2, Bitrate: 448kbps
[00:00:00:-82] | Output Stereo mode: Dolby surround compatible
[00:00:00:-82] | Total Gain: 10.153dB, Compression: Normal
[00:00:00:-82] | LFE levels: To LR -3.0dB, To LFE 0.0dB
[00:00:00:-82] | Center mix level: 0.0db
[00:00:00:-82] | Surround mix level: 0.0db
[00:00:00:-82] | Dialog normalization: No
[00:00:00:-82] | Rear channels filtering: No
[00:00:00:-82] +------ Shibatch -----
[00:00:00:-82] | Source Sample-Rate: 48.0KHz
[00:00:00:-82] | Dest. Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:-82] | Attenuation : 0.0db
[00:00:00:-82] +------- MP2ENC ------
[00:00:00:-82] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:-82] | MP2 bitrate : 192
[00:00:00:-82] | Channels Mode : Stereo
[00:00:00:-82] | Error Protection: Yes
[00:00:00:-82] +---------------------
[00:07:17.280] E7: CRC error
[00:07:17:262] Stream error : Sync found after 1114 bytes
[00:17:03.168] E7: CRC error
[00:17:03:182] Stream error : Sync found after 1568 bytes
[00:26:20.672] E7: CRC error
[00:26:20:718] Stream error : Sync found after 1344 bytes
[00:29:09.888] E7: CRC error
[00:29:09:966] Stream error : Sync found after 1344 bytes
[00:37:47.392] E7: CRC error
[00:37:47:502] Stream error : Sync found after 1120 bytes
[00:43:08.256] E7: CRC error
[00:43:08:398] Stream error : Sync found after 1344 bytes
[00:44:13.152] E7: CRC error
[00:44:13:326] Stream error : Sync found after 1568 bytes
[00:46:01.472] E7: CRC error
[00:46:01:678] Stream error : Sync found after 1344 bytes
[00:53:21.184] E7: CRC error
[00:53:21:422] Stream error : Sync found after 1120 bytes
[01:06:16.256] E7: CRC error
[01:06:16:526] Stream error : Sync found after 1120 bytes
[01:15:03.968] E7: CRC error
[01:15:04:270] Stream error : Sync found after 1120 bytes
[01:22:47.296] E7: CRC error
[01:22:47:630] Stream error : Sync found after 1344 bytes
[01:23:33.024] E7: CRC error
[01:23:33:390] Stream error : Sync found after 1344 bytes
[01:25:46.528] E7: CRC error
[01:25:46:926] Stream error : Sync found after 1568 bytes
[01:34:20.608] E7: CRC error
[01:34:21:038] Stream error : Sync found after 1568 bytes
[01:39:33.376] E7: CRC error
[01:39:33:838] Stream error : Sync found after 1344 bytes
[01:59:58.976] E7: CRC error
[01:59:59:470] Stream error : Sync found after 1344 bytes
[02:01:30.176] E7: CRC error
[02:01:30:702] Stream error : Sync found after 1568 bytes
[02:03:37.248] E7: CRC error
[02:03:37:806] Stream error : Sync found after 1568 bytes
[02:09:07.008] E7: CRC error
[02:09:07:598] Stream error : Sync found after 1120 bytes
[02:18:15:374] Conversion Completed !
[02:18:15:374] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 192kbps
[00:23:33:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 10/17/03 , 02:45:38.





WNASPI32.DLL 4.6.0.1021
--------------------------------------------------------
- 10/17/2003 2:09:18 AM
- DVD to SVCD Conversion
- DVD2SVCD ver. 1.2.1 build 3
--------------------------------------------------------
Initializing
- D:\Matrix\VTS_01_0.IFO
- D:\Matrix\VTS_01_1.vob
- D:\Matrix\VTS_01_2.vob
- D:\Matrix\VTS_01_3.vob
- D:\Matrix\VTS_01_4.vob
- D:\Matrix\VTS_01_5.vob
- D:\Matrix\VTS_01_6.vob
- D:\Matrix\VTS_01_7.vob
Initializing finished.

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- 10/17/2003 2:09:21 AM
- DVD2AVI
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Creating DVD2AVI INI file:
- C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.INI

Variable settings:
iDCT_Algorithm: 32-bit SSE MMX

Executing DVD2AVI.
Executing DVD2AVI. Commandline:
"C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe" -CS=2 -YR=1 -EXIT -OF=[H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\DVD2AVI_Project_file] -IF=[D:\Matrix\VTS_01_1.vob,D:\Matrix\VTS_01_2.vob,D:\Matrix\VTS_01_3.vob,D:\Matrix\VTS_01_4.vob,D:\Matrix\VTS_01_5.vob,D:\Matrix\VTS_01_6.vob,D:\Matrix\VTS_01_7.vob]
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
DVD2AVI processing done.

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- 10/17/2003 2:14:11 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.50 mb
- Free on drive H: 21384.39 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Found AC3 stream id: 0x80
Filename: H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Audio1 delay: -83 ms
Analyzing DVD2AVI Project file
Force Film activated!
Framerate: 23976
Audio extraction finished.

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- 10/17/2003 2:22:01 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.50 mb
- Free on drive H: 20940.75 mb
- AUDIO conversion
--------------------------------------------------------

Encoding Audio. Filename: H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "H:\VIDEO-~1\COMPLETE\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "H:\VIDEO-~1\COMPLETE\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -C 0db -S 0db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -ota( -d -83 ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 10/17/2003 2:45:44 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.50 mb
- Free on drive H: 20750.86 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 2502857364
AudioSectors: 202011376
VideoPAPO: 35641332
ScanOffsetBytes: 238681
SeqAligningBytes: 15169516
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 12
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 0.00
PureMPEGStream: 2249796446.53
Seconds: 8304.84
CalcMPEGStream: 2249796446.53
Frames: 198901
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 3
Cut point 796.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 198901
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 4
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 2167
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
LoadPlugin("C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
mpeg2source("H:\VIDEO-~1\COMPLETE\DVD2AV~1.D2V")
BicubicResize(480,480,0.0,0.6)
Import("H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\ResampleAudio.avs")
ResampleAudio(44100)
ConvertToYUY2()
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 2.200
Video Encoding finished.

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- 10/17/2003 8:02:14 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.50 mb
- Free on drive H: 18559.31 mb
- Video Pulldown
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Executing Pulldown. Commandline:
"C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\pulldown\pulldown.exe" "H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv" "H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\Pulldown_Encoded_Video_NTSC.mpv"
Video pulldown finished.

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- 10/17/2003 8:07:14 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.50 mb
- Free on drive H: 16416.45 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
--------------------------------------------------------
- 10/17/2003 8:07:17 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.48 mb
- Free on drive H: 16416.45 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
--------------------------------------------------------
- 10/17/2003 8:07:19 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.48 mb
- Free on drive H: 16416.45 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 10/17/2003 8:07:21 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.48 mb
- Free on drive H: 16416.45 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 796 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2812 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 2814
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 796 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Length of H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
2728 Seconds
Offset in Seconds: 5542
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 796 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\VIDEO\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "H:\VIDEO-PROCESSING\COMPLETE\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

Image creation finished.

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- 10/17/2003 8:23:45 AM
- Free on drive C: 6513.50 mb
- Free on drive H: 14028.44 mb
- Conversion done!
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[jsoto]

Try to re-rip using internal rutines before changing any HW. I think there are some posts in miniDVD and DVD forum about problems with this movie, so if this not works, please do a search. BTW, I've done PAL version with D2S without any problem.

Your besweet log shows several skipped frames (30 msec more or less each), so the a/v synch going worse is "normal"

jsoto

[H8_2BU]

Thank you for your reply.

I have tried to rip again with the setting you suggested but I get the same thing. I am only guessing here but so far this has only been an issue for movies that exceed a certain length. I see your point where as the number of CDS or mpeg files are irrelevant, the reality is it seems to be either certain movies OR the length of certain movies. Oddly enough I have only experienced this problem with movies that exceed 2 hours. Here is a list of the movies I have purchased in the past month or so. It's not a huge deal really since I own the DVDs, it's just that I have gotten in the habbit of backing up all movies and putting the sources in the closet where they are safe.

Movies over 2 hours that become out of sync..

Lord of the Rings 2-towers
The Core
Dream Catcher
Matrix reloaded

Movies under 2 hours I have recently backed up successfully.

Anger Management
2-Fast 2-Furious

What is the cause of these errors showing up in the log? Could this indicate a less than perfect rip from the source?
I'll keep searching for things to try.
Thanks

[r6d2]

The CRC errors you're getting are in the ripped VOB's right?

I have experienced something similar with movies that span the second layer of the DVD.

Try using DVD Decrypter to rip. It has a sort of "intelligent" error skip mode, which skips the frame as a whole, so you will loose some info but what you get will be in sync.

Also check if you get errors whn playing back the original on your standalone and on your PC. (I had to have my DVD-ROM replaced once because of these errors.)

Please post back the results.

[H8_2BU]

R6 and jsoto,

Thank you for your reply. Now that it is the weekend I have some extra time to tinker around with this. The problem has been traced back to my DVD-ROM. I noticed that there are some anomalies(both audio and video)in the ripped VOBs that do not exist on the source DVD. Things are beginning to make sense now. About six months before I got into GENTOO linux, I decided to install RedHat. This process required 3 CDs. I remember that during the installation process the second CD failed when trying to install from the DVD-Rom. The only way to get it done was to use my other drive. I never thought much about it because I hadn't bought any movies at the time so I wasn't converting. I never really put 2 and 2 together until now. I am going to order a new DVD drive today.

Thanks

-H8

[jsoto]

@H8_2BU
As it is a "general" fault, you can try to clean the laser lens.

I do not know which is the right way do do this job, but I've done it twice in my childrens' PS2 with excellent results. I've used a piece of paper (a kleenex, yes!). You know, the life of a PS2 is not so easy in the hands of any child, but also in my own hands...

jsoto

[H8_2BU]

jsoto,

You are probably right. I think a good cleaning would be good for it. Still, I want something faster and would like to combine my DVD and CDR and get something a little faster so I went with.. Liteon 48x24x24x16. 16X dvd which is twice as fast and a cdrw burner that is also twice as fast on CD-Rs and 3 times faster on a RW. That and now I use one less bay. Either way I am glad the problem has been found. I think DVD2SVCD is by far the easiest and best back up tool out there. Now I just need to do my part and send the creator some $$$ to help support their software(AND I WILL).

-H8

[H8_2BU]

They sent me the wrong drive initially so I had to go through the return process. Anyway, I never would have thought that a bad DVD drive would cause CCE to crash and sync issues but it did. The new drive works great and so does DVD2SVCD.

Thanks

H8