Vote for a Matroska Logo!!

[Atamido]

With the Matroska (http://www.matroska.org) tools all getting very mature and well test, it is finally time to decide on an official logo. Several months ago, the logos were mostly narrowed down to three basic designs, but the team was divided on which to choose. So, the Matroska team would like to hear from everyone at Doom9, which logo you like the most.

Keep in mind some of the requirements for a logo:

* Must be able to be displayed in black and white for silkscreening on things such as a DVD player.

* Must not contain gradients as it looks bad most of the time and is hard to reproduce. "Gradient = slowly transitioning from one color to another."

* It must easily fit in a square, for use in icons and such.

* Must be easily distinguishable. IE, if it looks like the McDonalds big yellow "M", that is no good.

* It should not violate any laws. If it looks like another trademarked logo, its no good.

* Simplicity is good.

Without further wait, here it is (http://matroska.corecodec.org/logo/logos.html).

[Emp3r0r]

None of them look good, although the third one could almost work, keep trying.

[Animaniac]

The third one since it actually says Matroska and it holds true to the basic premise behind the format (nesing dolls and extensibility). A logo whithout the name would not be very useful for people unfamiliar with the format.

[sillKotscha]

you have my vote for 'cosmic':cool:


cheers Sill

[unplugged]

Originally posted by Animaniac
A logo whithout the name would not be very useful for people unfamiliar with the format.
Yes, I think the same thing, the name needs spreading.
The logo only solution its for well known standards, I think.

[Tuning]

The first logo of 3Dolls looked beautiful in the DVD player view.And name of the format makes it good => Other Audio/Video/disc Logos also had a name on it...

Tuning:D

[Candock]

they are all pain in my eyes
but the least worst is number three! :) (especially the dvd view)

[Balm]

Cosmic!

Cu Balm

[Atamido]

Originally posted by Animaniac
The third one since it actually says Matroska Technically they would all have the name under them, but I only posted what I had on hand. They are all concept drawings and aren't the final logos. Once a better idea of what people want is had, more work will be done on them.

[Latexxx]

Maybe adding "Matroska" to the cosmic logo would be ideal. I voted for Cosmic.

[mf]

The pain... THE PAIN!!


(I voted for "make the pain stop", but if this vote comes to a draw between two of the logos (same amount of votes), then count mine for the dolls. It's the one that actually makes sense and looks rather nice.)

[Neo Neko]

Here are two different quick treatments of the cosmic logo. There are some other things that can be done as well to turn it into a more identifiable and complete logo.

http://neoneko.ath.cx/files/logo-128x128-001.png
http://neoneko.ath.cx/files/logo-128x128-002.png

[toraneko]

I don't really like any of the three.

but I'd like to know why on earth in the last one "matroska" is written in Japanese's katakana ??
it is a Russian word, so write it in cyrilic, as on the official webpage !! ("ìàòð¸øêà". something more like "matrioshka")

[toraneko]

seems like I can't write in cyrilic here...

oh well... take a look here (http://www.matroska.org/)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Well, I voted for the Dolls, because it displays the product name!

However, I've always liked the 'Cosmic' logo. So..... overall I prefer Neo Neko creations!

Sorry Pamel

Cheers

[robUx4]

Originally posted by toraneko
I don't really like any of the three.

but I'd like to know why on earth in the last one "matroska" is written in Japanese's katakana ??
it is a Russian word, so write it in cyrilic, as on the official webpage !! ("ìàòð¸øêà". something more like "matrioshka")

That could be because the guy who made the logo is japanese :D

[mf]

Originally posted by toraneko
but I'd like to know why on earth in the last one "matroska" is written in Japanese's katakana ??
it is a Russian word, so write it in cyrilic, as on the official webpage !! ("ìàòð¸øêà". something more like "matrioshka")
That's cause the guy who made that logo has humor :rolleyes:.

Originally posted by toraneko
seems like I can't write in cyrilic here...
Sure you can: матрёшка

[Candock]

yeah, matroska in cyrillic would be very cool!
some kind of retro ;)

[Atamido]

Originally posted by mf
[B]That's cause the guy who made that logo has humor :rolleyes:. Or possibly the guy that made the list of logos has humor? :D

[jjseth]

Neo-neko's second creation or Neo-neko creation with matroska in cyrilic

[mf]

Originally posted by Pamel
Or possibly the guy that made the list of logos has humor? :D
You claim to have humor cause you included something he already made on that page? Sounds kinda cheap ;).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Like I said previously. In my opinion it's better to stick with the original logo and display the products name. Dont go all 'Prince' on us!

Please stick with one name and one way to present that name. Branding is very important!

When was the last time you saw any electrical manufacturer present their name in different ways to suit regions or countries?

Cheers

[Latexxx]

Neo Neko's creations are by far the best. Those + cyrillic text would be the definite winner or maybe without the borders.

[hofmetzger]

[x] dolls (first one)

about the "cosmic":
cosmic? hu? i just see some strange and confusing circles and dots... usually i have a good abitliy of seeing those things spatial (=räumliches sehen?) - i know this logo since matroska started, but i cant decipher it.
so it should be cosmic, some kind of planets or what? planets->earth->humans->spare-time->multimedia->codecs->matroska => no

but i like (the first of) the dolls: an easy logo, and - thats the most important thing about it - its inventive.
doll-in-a-doll->матрёшка->matroska => yes

btw: i like the 1st one, cause the 2nd looks like "hula hoop"

[Brother John]

A clear vote for number 3. I like its simplicity. That's a logo you memorize with one look. And somehow it reminds me of the DVD logo. Maybe a little far fetched, but that was the first thought that came into my mind. I'm sure they would look nice next to each other.

Why not the others?
Number 2 is simply a pain in the eyes. If you don't know already what it stands for you won't find out. It's illegible without a little thinking about it. And - considering the average user/customer - who does that?
Number 1. Sure, it looks sort of cool, but why does everything have to have some kind of outer space logo? Imo when a logo comes in some way from a real world thing that thing should somehow be connected with the product. Where is the connection between Matroska and outer space? So better stay completely abstract.
@hofmetzger: Looks a little like Saturn with the rings and moons to me.

P.S.: One additional thought about dolls: Stonehenge ... hm ... don't ask me why ... :)

[Ramirez]

IMO it's very easy to understand the true meaning of the cosmic logo, it means:
Infinity>Endless>Eternity, I think it describes matroska ultimate goals quite precisely.

Another very nice emblem of eternity would be the 'snake swallowing its own tail' in ancient Egypt mythology, too bad it's already taken.:D

Voted Cosmic.

[Neo Neko]

Warning! Fun with blender ahead. No crylic support though. Could not get it to work. :P

Matroska/Matroshka (http://neoneko.ath.cx/files/Matroska.jpg)

[Mug Funky]

@neo neko: my eyes hurt. bad. :D

hehe

i voted for the dolls.

different choice of font and it'd be verr nice. the cosmic one didn't say enough aboot the format (though it did say something, which is better than just 4 letters also in a bad font:))

cyrillic characters have a really nice look to them. i think if a logo were made with something like a russian constructivist bent to it, it'd be lovely (and would suit the current designs of high-end DVD players). i love constructivist designs.

(okay, i think i've blown my cover - i'm actually a graphic/multimedia artist who spends too much time playing with video :))

yeah, so if the dolls got some constructivist treatment and the font was changed (for a logo to fit on a DVD-player, you'll be thinking of simply making the font legible before anything else - a lot of people can't read small text)

[duartix]

I simple idea for those designing the logos:
Buil on the idea of the doll inside a doll. An ad infinitum logo. It doesn't need to be a doll, though...

[Animaniac]

I now like this one the best:
http://www.faireal.net/matroska/marlena/3.png
(Variant on dolls)

[Latexxx]

Here is my first rude vision: http://www.nic.fi/~lhahne/logo.png Note! IE screws the background color up. It should be transparent. Ie auto resize also makes it look ugly.

Edit: Here is also a doll version. http://www.nic.fi/~lhahne/logo-dolls.png

[Atamido]

@Latexxx: If you save the PNG as an 8-bit PNG, then IE will show the background as transparent. And, given the number of colors you are using, you shouldn't lose anything.

Funny that the only people that like the MKVA logo are people that spend time in the IRC channel. Perhaps there is some correlation between IRC and lack of taste?

[mf]

Originally posted by Pamel
Funny that the only people that like the MKVA logo are people that spend time in the IRC channel. Perhaps there is some correlation between IRC and lack of taste?
I'd call it correlation between being on irc.corecodec.com (out of anything other than necessity ;)) and having bad taste. :D

Originally posted by Mug Funky
(okay, i think i've blown my cover - i'm actually a graphic/multimedia artist who spends too much time playing with video :))
Join the club :D. I don't do graphic/design professionally though, just been doing stuff hobby-based for about 8 years.

[SeeMoreDigital]

I think the face on the left should be the new Matroska logo!

It's only gonna be here for a few hours.

Cheers

EDIT: In case you missed it. It was a picture of Pamal's face!
Well I think it was Pamel!:D

[Latexxx]

Here are new 15-colour versions of my logo suggestions. They do work correctly using ie.
http://www.nic.fi/~lhahne/logo-dolls-8.png
http://www.nic.fi/~lhahne/logo-8.png

Ps. I think it should be matrioška instead of matroska.

Edit: It is interesting that the board just displays ? when I posted that š usig Opera. No problems with ie.

[hofmetzger]

Originally posted by Latexxx
Here are new 15-colour versions of my logo suggestions. They do work correctly using ie.
http://www.nic.fi/~lhahne/logo-dolls-8.png
http://www.nic.fi/~lhahne/logo-8.png

Ps. I think it should be matrioška instead of matroska.

Edit: It is interesting that the board just displays ? when I posted that š usig Opera. No problems with ie.

First of all, i think they are good for website-layout, but far too big for a logo on a hardwareplayer or a cd-cover.

Then i think the choise using "matroska" as sinplification of the original name is a good decision, its much easier to read/write/remember for the most users out there.

[not serious] what about the logo in my avatar :cool:

[Liisachan]

Originally posted by Candock
yeah, matroska in cyrillic would be very cool!
some kind of retro ;) I know what you mean,
but actually, for real (native) Russian ppl, this word in cyrillic characters could be justfunny, because it would mean something comletely different than multimedia.

why? (http://ld-anime.faireal.net/guide/jargon.matroska-en)

for general ppl, "Matroska" in latin alphabet should be best, ithink

[Latexxx]

Originally posted by hofmetzger
First of all, i think they are good for website-layout, but far too big for a logo on a hardwareplayer or a cd-cover.

It is only slightly wider than "dolby digital"-logo in my dvd player and it's definately smaller than "TruSurround Srs" that is also printed on my Philips dvd-722.

[CaptainCarrot]

I voted for the dolls, simple and good. And I'd like to talk people out of the idea to write matroska in cyrillic letters! In the non-russian part of the world only few people could read it, and wouldn't know what to make of it. Just "matroska" would be perfect.

Regards

[ChristianHJW]

.... just wonna say thanks guys ( and ladies of course :D ), for all the good input .... keep it coming !!

[netterpaladin]

I vote for the first doll and matroska in latin characters. It is important to be able to read it...

[Neo Neko]

Well upon that explanation of what matroska means in russian perhaps we should go with the doll logo only have one of them wearing the blue striped sailor shirt and looking a little tipsy. That is if we are gonna use crylic with the name. :D A matreshka wearing a matroska. :P

[Atamido]

On the Doll logo, do people prefer the ring going around the bottom of the logo, or through it? IE, the first or the second picture?

[BetaBoy]

fyi.... as ppl suggest.. I am adding the logos to the matroska store so you can wear what YOU like...

http://www.cafeshops.com/matroska

Enjoy..

[robUx4]

:D
http://www.cafeshops.com/matroska.8057562

[sillKotscha]

...and hey ladies... remember the toe :D

[geoffwa]

Frankly, the MKVA logo is pretty terrible as it's not overly distinctive, and the first time I saw it, I wasted brain cycles trying to read the lettering rather than committing the image to memory.

Will the logo be expected to double as an icon? The dolls based images (Marlena's) are nice and simple but don't look like they'd scale down well.

[robUx4]

I think the result is quite clear. The Doll is a winner. :cool:

Now we need to polish it and decide for possible variations (font used, text/no text, text in russian/english, circle under/around the doll).

We'll probably also keep the doll/animal alone.

Update: I didn't see the latest variations on the doll by Marlena. Check it out here (http://www.1000ad.net/marlena/matroskalogos.html).

And here is the doll alone.
http://www.faireal.net/matroska/logo_ayaka5.png

[mf]

Hm, looking at Marlena's spinoffs, i really like this one:
http://www.1000ad.net/marlena/matplay.gif (First one, second row)
Stylish, and still a doll. Thumbsup.

[robUx4]

You mean the France Telecom one ? No way... But there are some very good ones in there.

[mf]

Originally posted by robUx4
You mean the France Telecom one ? No way... But there are some very good ones in there.
Yeah well I don't live in france.. Besides it's better than the france telecom logo :D.

[ChristianHJW]

Cant help it, when looking at marlena's doll i always have to think about dildo's :D :D ..... but apart from that, i love them a lot ... my vote goes to the last in the 2nd row, because its simple and intuitive and can be scaled easily ...

[hofmetzger]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
Cant help it, when looking at marlena's doll i always have to think about dildo's :D :D .....

You're not the only one thinking this, just the first who says it.

Originally posted by ChristianHJW
.... but apart from that, i love them a lot ... my vote goes to the last in the 2nd row, because its simple and intuitive and can be scaled easily ...

If it had to be one of these i would agree. Its simple, and it has to be like that. But i like the "doll on disc" (first of the dolls from the "original poll") most, cause its b/w and so simple.

[robUx4]

Yeah ! That's also the one I had in mind :)

[ChristianHJW]

Originally posted by ChristianHJW:
Cant help it, when looking at marlena's doll i always have to think about dildo's .....
Originally posted by hofmetzger : You're not the only one thinking this, just the first who says it.

Thats probably not bad either :D ...

Sex Sells !!! LOL ....

[unmei]

dolls with ring thru it. I sorta like the cosmic but i can't connect it to matroska while when i first saw the dolls some time ago i already tough "this is the real matroska logo" and was a bit confused when seeing MKVA and cosmic in some places. I think if you ever heard of matroska and then see the dolls logo you realise immediately it being the matroska logo without actually knowing it, while the cosmic misses this intuitive link.

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uh i can't see the later posted pics (so cant comment) cos im not on my own but some obfuscated other comp and IE (*eeek*) closes each window with only picture before i see the content - aargh i want my net connection back, damn ISP ><
]

[BoNz1]

Initially, I voted for let the pain stop, but these latest ones are pretty good in particular I like the first on the second row and the last one on the second row.

[Ayaka]

http://www.arielworks.com/works/mkv/

There are high resolution or vector pictures of "dolls"
use them freely for making or refining Matoroska logos.

Personally, "dolls" has many problems to use as a official logo.
It requires more modification.

[robUx4]

Thanx a lot ! We'll take good care of your baby :)

[bb]

I like this one from Neo Neko:
http://neoneko.ath.cx/files/logo-128x128-001.png

bb

[Belgabor]

Heh, whatever you do, don't ditch the kawaii hamster variants :)

(Gosh, I'm even tempted to order the clock)

[midi]

I like Doll's with the ring at the bottom and the hollow symmetrical center bit:
http://www.arielworks.com/works/mkv/mkv_ring_bottom_s.png
Doll's is the only one that even hints at a container format for me. There was actually one with lines coming from the bracket somewhere above which did that even more, but I didn't like the complexity and lack of symmetry.

I have no clue what a planet (Cosmic's) has to do with anything and it's too complex IMHO.

Oh, I agree with Belgabor and like the Panda idea too, lol. It needs work, but a cute Panda would be so much more personable than all these glyphs. ^^

[Prettz]

Although I voted "make the pain stop," the two black and white doll logos from the first post are both good. The one with the ring under the dolls and the one with the ring through them both look good, but I like the one with the ring through them a tiny bit better, it just looks a little cooler.

[Human_USB]

I like the dolls with the ring at the bottom. The only problem is does the logo resize well?

[Liisachan]

I like pandas for the mascot etc, but as for icons,
i like this one I find in MatroskaProp.dll.

http://www.faireal.net/matroska/mkv-icon

[robUx4]

I have worked on the doll variation that seemed to be the most popular. You can view/download it on http://matroska.free.fr/logo/

I did it with Fireworks and then imported it in Flash. So that it can be resized well with keeping the vector quality (almost). Feel free to improve it or use it.

[hofmetzger]

Originally posted by robUx4
I have worked on the doll variation that seemed to be the most popular. You can view/download it on http://matroska.free.fr/logo/


Dont we (or you matroska-guys) still have to point out which doll-variant is the most popular one? i would like to see another poll, so i can vote for the "doll on disc"

(this would be like one of these casting-popstar-tv-shows... :o )

[Atamido]

I'm not really sure how he determined that one was the most popular as only a few posts mentioned it. But, yes another poll will probably be made.

[robUx4]

Simply because that's the one that was mentioned the most favorably and because that's also the one I prefer. And finally because we need to get this thing move on.