dvd-r vs dvd+r

[jed]

what is the size difference between these two. I read dvd-r is being phased out in the next few years. Is dvd+r as good for movie play back becuase i use dvd-r for backing up my movies at the moment and have no problems

[Enialator]

Hmm there isnt any size diffrence at least that is what i always seen. DVD-r wont die neither will DVD+r and all because of the new famouse DVD burners that support both the ± format. U can use which format u like they both qualify, it all depends on if u have a + or a - or even a ± burner. Heh rumors have real good influense when it comes to compare two diffrent things. I used to think like that and bought a ± recorder but belive me it wont make a diffrance. Just be happy with ur choice.

[Doom9]

becuase i use dvd-r for backing up my movies at the moment and have no problems
Then you most certainly shouldn't worry. The differences between the two formats are rather technical, and standalone support is roughly the same (the minus format has a small edge, but as more first and second generation players are being replaced with newer models, the difference will eventually become inexistent).

[mrbass]

Blank DVD-R 4,489MB 4,706,074,624 bytes or 4.383GB
Blank DVD+R 4,483MB 4,700,372,992 bytes or 4.377GB

[Happygolucky]

My new burner will handle both, but I discovered my standalone Pioneer 353 player will only work with -R or -RW discs. It doesn't like + media at all.

[digitalman]

About DVD-R being around forever, here is a quote from Doom9.orgs news on 9/27
"Last but not least, the German magazine PC Welt has a report on the state of the DVD recordable industry, based on news and talks with drive and media manufacturers at the currently ongoing Computex fair in Taiwan. Here's their gist: DVD-R/W is not going to be around on the long run because the plus camp seems to be more convincing and has the edge on recording speed. In fact, while the DVD forum has yet to sign off 8x DVD-Rs, 8x DVD+R drives are already being sold, and not by any brand, but Plextor, king of CD burners. Furthermore, 12x DVD+R burners should be out by Q1 2004, followed by 16x DVD+R burners later in the same year. And while dual layer DVD recording is feasible, it might never enter the market because the technology is too expensive, and DVD successor technologies are not too far off. On a personal note, I have visited a media manufacturing plant 2 months ago and spoken to the product manager. He told me that in his business, people were rooting for the plus format as well, because it's cheaper to manufacture. Considering that plus media are still somewhat more expensive than their minus brethren, selling plus media is quite a lucrative business."

[Doom9]

@Happygolucky: It's the same with older Pioneer DVD-ROMs, and considering their staunch support for the minus format, I wouldn't be surprised if this incompatibility is halfway desired.

[mrbass]

Did someone say Pioneer? I have a few of their standalone dvd players but for recording formats they're usually pioneers in the field but not necessarily pick the de facto future format.

Here's a post of mine I made on another forum June 26 about DVD-R.

"I have a sony dru500ax I bought for $350 - $50 coupon from circuit city. If it makes anyone feel any better in 1996 in Japan I bought two Pioneer PD-ROM? Each one was $400. It burned a cd in a case enclosure and get this...it could re-write. I bought 50 blank media catridges for $25 each...so I spent $2,000+ on this stuff. Why? Because I thought why spend $600 on a CD-R burner. Heck it can't even rewrite like PD-ROM can. Plus back in those days my friend had many buffer underruns and the CHEAPEST blank CD-R was $6 for a no-name brand. Brand name media was $10 a pop. $10 bufferunderuns added up quickly..back in those days no smart-burn, etc. So I gambled and I lost bigtime. Another gamble I did was in 1997 I paid $2,200 for a mini-DV camcorder..still have and use it today. Also in 1999 I gambled and spent $1,200 on a 2mega pixel digital camera and still have and use that today. So 2 outta 3 gambles paid off (in my eyes) and one I got burned.

What's my point....it might take a few people 2 to 3 years to see the light but DVD-R has lost. Wait a sec...was Pioneer the first to come out with DVD-R burner...flashback deja-vu I fooled you."

Anyway.....Pioneer PD-ROM is dead (I got burned...not gonna happen to me with DVD-R)...I used a PD-ROM cartridge part of my halloween costum a couple years ago. It's the red cartridge CD casing on back of my head.
http://www.mrbass.org/photo/showimg.php?file=/2001/10Halloween/PA270038.JPG

[Happygolucky]

Originally posted by Doom9
@Happygolucky: It's the same with older Pioneer DVD-ROMs, and considering their staunch support for the minus format, I wouldn't be surprised if this incompatibility is halfway desired.

Oddly, the very first disc I burned in my new TDK 440n external burner was a +RW and it will play in the Pioneer 353 just fine. But 6 other +RW discs it won't recognize, nor will it recognize a +R disc I burned. Every -RW disc has played with no problem. Not sure why that first +RW disc will play, I have since erased it and rewrote it twice and it will still play, but no other +RW disc will. Very strange. I'm using TDK media, as well as some Maxell.

[mudda_t]

I have never had a problem with dvd-r playback on standalones, but have had about a handful of problems with dvd+r playback on standalones.

My 2 cents!

[PC-GUY]

Originally posted by mudda_t
I have never had a problem with dvd-r playback on standalones, but have had about a handful of problems with dvd+r playback on standalones.

My 2 cents! I agree I have A04 and friends have + and I hear all the time that they burned a disc that just didn't play on a stand alone player. Mean while mine play all the time. I tell them time to buy a new dvd player...:D :devil:
For me I'm going to throw out a good dvd player just because it can't play a backup.:rolleyes: Like hell I am!!!

[jfcarbel]

So many studies have been done that show without a doubt that DVD-R is more compatibile than DVD+R on standalones.

I think what you have here is a few statements from execs in Japan who think they can influence the market by making statements. I am not saying that DVD+R may not prevail in the future, but its not going to happen overnight.

The reason for the move to DVD+R is so that more money can be made on the media since DVD+R is cheaper to produce. And it is no surprise that most media is produced overseas and these comments come from overseas individuals.

I think with everything going dual format that it is not going to make a difference. So I see people with DVD recorders buying more +R because prices will be cheaper in the retail stores. But for those people producing DVDs and making backups DVD-R will still remain the king.

So my take is both formats are going to exist for quit some time and the newer players will always support both.

NOTE: Also Pioneer just announced the specs for a 8X DVD-R drive so I don't see how DVD+R offers any more benefits. Unless the manufacturers of the media force us to move to +R by not producing as much DVD-R. Which I expect will happen.

[mrbass]

Originally posted by jfcarbel
So I see people with DVD recorders buying more +R because prices will be cheaper in the retail stores.
Like the lite-on ldw-401s 4X DVD+R burner at newegg for $104.

I find it ironic how many a few months ago were saying stuff how 1X 60mins) and 2X (30mins) were fine and they could careless about 4X (14mins) as they wanted 'higher quality' burns. Now 8X (9mins) is out 5mins is a huge deal. For $130 more it wasn't worth it to me.

[Richk50]

If pioneer markets dual layer DVD-R(as stated in the news section), that read like a pressed DVD and works in any DVD player, they will probably win the format wars.
It may not even matter what format is used if they both formats can be read on all players. The bad fact is all our recorders will become obsolete junk.

[Chowskie]

FYI, if u didn't come across this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=62735), check it out! Dual Layer 8.5GB DVD+R is coming soon to retailers near you!

[Richk50]

that probably means the + and - recorders we have now will be obsolete.
I have a dual format recorder, only used + a few times. The dvdr+ didn't work on my player and the media was too high priced. I pay about 70 cents (US) for - 4x media, works on all players I've tried it on never make a coaster. When the 8.5 gig recorders come out I'll probably wait for dual format to come out and the price of the media to come down before buying.

[toiday]

My guess is both the DVD+R and DVD-R will be phased out in a few years. We all know that HDTV are on the way here. That means the size of the HD movies will be larger. The existing DVD dual layer won't hold. I believe the next generation of DVD drive will be using blue laser. It can have 3 time the compacity of the current DVD. I'm not worry about whether DVD+R or DVD-R will out last the other. I just bought a 4x Dual format for only $130 but I only burn DVD-R because it works with my older Panasonic player. But if you have newer players that can play both formats, just burn with the blank that's on sale.