Directshow OGM filters version 0.9.9.6

[morgentau]

Also it would be nice to have an option to play certain streams by default (like Audio stream 2; subtitle stream 1)

BTW is it possible to change the language of the menu items in ogg splitter? It defaults to my system language (german) and I can't find an option to change it. For instance it's "Ton" and "Untertitel" instead of Audio" and "subtitle".

[kastro68]

I'm unable to mux *.aac and *.avi into ogm container with Graphedit when 0.996 is installed.

Reverting back to 0.995 solves this problem.

[bond]

Originally posted by kastro68
to mux *.aachow do you open .aac files in graphedit? afaik there is no aac parser/splitter only one for .mp4 files (3ivx)

[Liisachan]

Originally posted by kastro68
I'm unable to mux *.aac and *.avi into ogm container with Graphedit when 0.996 is installed.

Reverting back to 0.995 solves this problem. Even *.avi + *.ogg is impossible in GraphEdit now. How about using OggMux_nic ? You can mux *.aac without temporarily converting it into *.mp4

MPEG2 AAC / MPEG4 AAC works with 0.9.9.6

http://space34.at.infoseek.co.jp/oggmux_nic.png

[bond]

yeah, but i was writing about graphedit, as i am not able to open (and because of that not to mux) an .aac file in grapedit...

[Liisachan]

Originally posted by bond
yeah, but i was writing about graphedit, as i am not able to open (and because of that not to mux) an .aac file in grapedit... As you may already know, thatis possible _with 0.9.9.5_ if you put your AAC in MP4 container. I used GraphEdit to mux AAC into OGM before I got the OggMux_nic. http://www.faireal.net/image/2003/aac/damakko.ogm.grf.png

[kastro68]

Originally posted by bond
how do you open .aac files in graphedit? afaik there is no aac parser/splitter only one for .mp4 files (3ivx)


i used HE-AAC in an mp4 container graphedit and 0.995



@Liisa

Does HE-AAC work using Nic's oggmux and 0.996?
I guess it's not that important, I'll just give it a try when I get home.

[bond]

.mp4 muxing in graphedit is of course no problem (afaik it was me who reported that first on doom9), i was talking about .aac files (but it seems that kastro also used .mp4 and not .aac)...

[Liisachan]

Originally posted by kastro68
@Liisa

Does HE-AAC work using Nic's oggmux and 0.996?
Yep, it plays without noticable problem (i think). w CoreVorbis 1.0b7:)

[crusty]

I'm glad to see that Tobias' Directshow filter is being developed....been using the OGM container for quite a while now.
I have no real interest to beta-testing the new filters but if the developers need a high-speed mirror for new releases feel free to pm or mail me. Succes with the development!

[BlackSun]

hmm, technically what changed about the stream switching (sub/audio), so I can update TCMP with those new filters.

nice job.

[Animaniac]

The splitter no longer passes tags via IAMMediaContent...

[sillKotscha]

unfortunately true :(

[Koepi]

Unfortunately I didn't find much information about the IAMMediaContent interface - all my attempts to re-add the support for it failed until now (and rendered my codebase useless due to too much "test and see the result" ;) ).

I hope someone much more experienced than I in dshow will code that - the functions themselves are quite simple, I just don't get it how to properly add the "interface"/"property bag".

Regards
Koepi

[RadScorpion]

Hey.... you can take a look at my source. I've written a simple base class for IAMMediaContent interface I use in the MPC decoder.

http://developer.radlight.net/download/mpc/mpcdec-1.0.0.2.zip

I'm sure you'll know what to do then.

Take care

RadScorpion

[Koepi]

Thanks for the sources RadScorpion,

I'll look into them and see what I can do :-)

Best regards
Koepi

[kastro68]

Originally posted by Liisachan
Yep, it plays without noticable problem (i think). w CoreVorbis 1.0b7:)


I just got round to muxing HE-AAC using Nics/koepis branch of oggmux and the sample rate is still 22khz

[Devilman1]

Is there still a development on this filter or it is become a dead project?
That would be a pity because I like this container and I don't have time to learn how to use matroska.

Bye

[Animaniac]

A lot of people have also had trouble with subtitles with this version of OggDS... I don't know any specifics, but when I asked them to downgrade to 0.9.9.5 their files played perfectly...

[BoNz1]

I had a user report here http://forums.divx.com/viewtopic.php?forum=7&topic=55383 problems with playing video at half speed and vorbis audio sync. I tried it out myself it on a couple of my videos I noticed the same thing. Anyhow, I have no idea where the probem is occuring. But the directsound buffer when play vorbis at any speed is quite low, like about 37%, w/ mp3 it is a lot higher. Anyway, I thought I would report though I wouldn't imagine it would be really high on anyones priority list, ;).

[raistlin2k]

Originally posted by mgerald21

@Liisachan: Well, there is a bug in the OGG Splitter when rendering a simple Vorbis OGG and try to mux into OGG Muxer ... but at the moment only internally fixed.



Is there already a fix for that issue?

several bugs caused by missing initialization fixed.

Sorry if this sounds stupid, but what exactly does that mean?

Thanks
Raist

[LeQuack]

There is a new version of CoreVorbis out.
http://corecodec.org/projects/corevorbis/

Release Name: CoreVorbis_1.0b6_20031215.zip

Changes:
- Decode to 16 bits by default
- Increased default number of buffer (configurable by registry
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\CoreVorbis\NumberOfBuffers default:20)
- Handling of REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN tag
- Preliminary OggDS support (disabled for now, problem when seeking)
- Compiled with vorbis 1.0.1

[[Toff]]

Originally posted by LeQuack
- Preliminary OggDS support (disabled for now, problem when seeking)


In fact I forgot to disable that, so this version will connect to OggDS but when you seek you will hear some "bleeeps" sometimes :(

[raistlin2k]

Nice to see a new corevorbis, but any news about the oggsplitter itself?

Thanks
Raist

[bond]

btw wouldnt it be possible to get a standalone compile of gabests ogg splitter?

[gizmotech]

Not that I don't appreciate the efforts of the coders trying to ressurect Oggds... but I for one would love to see this thread disappear into the mists of time.

At this point I have yet to hear of any user (which I have talked to personally) having truly sucessful play back of standard ogm files through this filter, and it seems to lack a level of refinement the old oggds 0.9.9.5 filter had.

If this thread could be renamed to something else, that way users don't go off downloading this oggds 0.9.9.6, until the coders behind it have updated the filter to the previous 0.9.9.5 quality level it would be appreciated. Perhaps when more concreate effort and active development is seen on the splitter then it could be brought into the lime light, but until then lets just all live with the tobias filter and save alot of headaches in the process.

Gizmo.

[sysKin]

Hi,

Do you happen to know what's going on with VIDEOINFOHEADER from the splitter? Its AR info (biXPelsPerMeter and biYPelsPerMeter) seems to be zero when read from XviD's directshow decoder... where have they been eaten exactly? ;)

File created with VdubMod.

Radek

[bond]

i think this is the correct thread to post this:

i just tested theora in ogg, as specified by xiph, playback via the oggds dshow filters and saw that the splitter seems to pass the theora streams as vorbis streams (connects to vorbis decoders)

any chance that someone can update the splitter, so that ogg theora streams are handled correctly?

thanks :)

[kilg0r3]

I'd furhterly like to know where Xiph and Ogg are heading anyway. A splitter filter that is not developed despite having some problems is not a good sign at all.

[Koepi]

It's being developed still. The problem is, that the state of 0.9.9.5 has to be reached - you can't just add what you want to the 0.9.9.3 sources and deal them as "newer" version... :)

That's the reason why everybody is fearing the step to release and/or help/develop OGM.

Koepi

[kilg0r3]

Wish I could code. :(

[DeXT]

The problem about handling native Theora streams in Ogg is that it seems to use a completely different muxing method that the one on OGM. So I doubt the filter can be easily adapted for that without a partial rewrite. Note that unlike OGM, there's no specific DirectShow info header in the container itself (FourCC, CLSID, VideoInfoHeader, etc) so this must be rebuilt by the demuxer, as it's done in Matroska too.

I think, however, that there's a sign of hope with the new Ogg DS filters being developed by illiminable (http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/). These can handle Theora streams, and OGM support is planned (currently it seems it can play video-only streams, according to the release notes).

And this time they seem to be better backed by Xiph, as the current source code is being located at Xiph's SVN repository: http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/oggdsf/

[bond]

Originally posted by DeXT
The problem about handling native Theora streams in Ogg is that it seems to use a completely different muxing method that the one on OGM. So I doubt the filter can be easily adapted for that without a partial rewrite. Note that unlike OGM, there's no specific DirectShow info header in the container itself (FourCC, CLSID, VideoInfoHeader, etc) so this must be rebuilt by the demuxer, as it's done in Matroska too.isnt the storage comparable to how vorbis is stored in ogg/ogm?
at least the ogm splitter seems to pass theora streams as vorbis streams

[DeXT]

Originally posted by bond
isnt the storage comparable to how vorbis is stored in ogg/ogm?
at least the ogm splitter seems to pass theora streams as vorbis streams Yes the storage is comparable, but the way the filter has to pass the video data to the renderer is completely different from that one used for vorbis. And unfortunately it isn't just passing the data, you have to supply some specific information to the DX filter chain. Different media types, different/absent headers, different way of storing frames, marking keyframes and so on.

[Isochroma]

Fortunately, this is the only splitter/decoder that allows playback of OGM files in MPC 6.4.8.7 for me, but unfortunately the right channel is mute, and seeking doesn't work on some files.

[clsid]

Haali's Media Splitter supports OGM too! Works great in combination with MPC 6.4.8.7

[Liisachan]

Fortunately, this is the only splitter/decoder that allows playback of OGM files in MPC 6.4.8.7 for me, but unfortunately the right channel is mute, and seeking doesn't work on some files. I assume "only one channel" is a known problem in 0996. Doesn't 0995 work for you? 0995 is more stable. If you have to use 0996 anyway, you can use other Vorbis decoder (such as CoreVorbis) as the decoder. I'm not sure about the seeking prob.

MPC can enable/disable its own internal filters, block DS filter(s) that you don't want to be loaded, and it also can change the merit as you like, so I would 1st try to solve the problem in MPC-side.

[HQ-LQ]

Haali's Media Splitter with OGM supports doesn't work on my PC
I don't know the reasons... :'(

[Isochroma]

same here... :(

[Yong]

Haali's Media Splitter with OGM supports doesn't work on my PC
I don't know the reasons... :'(

looks iike we are off-topic already... :D
I have the same problem too,
try this registry file:
http://rapidshare.de/files/9229972/ogg.reg.html
hope thats help. ;)

End of off-topic...

[HQ-LQ]

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