Daredevil and the Big3

[bartender22]

Hello.

I'm quite new in the world of the big 3 and now i ran into a problem with "Daredevil". It contains twice the main movie. They both use the same vob id's. The first one is PGC1 and the other is PGC3.

I Already did a search, which gave me nothing.

Does anybody know how to solve this problem??

Thnx

[brashquido]

Ye be having to do your project the old fashioned way then. ReAuthorist does not support VobID projects.

[influenza]

I believe both PGCs have exactly the same structure. The fisrt one is the normal movie. The second has the BOV stuff in it.

What you could do to still use the big three here is unchecking the 3rd PGC and run it trough RA as you're used to.

After you've imported the script into scenarist delete the dummy PGC (#3) and replace it by track #1 (PGC1). You'll have the same structure now.

(only possible if the PGCS match exactly). You won't have the BOV functionality ofcourse

[69Mws]

Originally posted by influenza
I believe both PGCs have exactly the same structure. The fisrt one is the normal movie. The second has the BOV stuff in it.

What you could do to still use the big three here is unchecking the 3rd PGC and run it trough RA as you're used to.

After you've imported the script into scenarist delete the dummy PGC (#3) and replace it by track #1 (PGC1). You'll have the same structure now.

(only possible if the PGCS match exactly). You won't have the BOV functionality ofcourse

Would the bov-functionality work when using IFO-Update in "Adjusted Cell Mode" after replacing the 3rd PGC with the 1st PGC as they have an identical cell structure? Or maybe I'm getting something totally wrong here as I'm a total noob to this bov-stuff :confused:

Greetz
69Mws

[influenza]

No the BOV will not work. The buttons are an integral part of the vobset. WHen you demux you'll loose the buttons unfortunately. BTW this one doesn't have buttons but cell commands. I'm busy with it at the moment (PAL), so if you want to know how to do it I'll report it.

[69Mws]

Originally posted by influenza
No the BOV will not work. The buttons are an integral part of the vobset. WHen you demux you'll loose the buttons unfortunately. BTW this one doesn't have buttons but cell commands. I'm busy with it at the moment (PAL), so if you want to know how to do it I'll report it.

I'm also dealing with a PAL version (the german one).

I've been just studying your guide on BOV, but as you said, in Daredevil it's not done with buttons.

But however thanks to your guide I got a better understanding what to look out for and tried to analyze Daredevil a bit :)

From what I saw, the jumps are made from VTS01 (PGC3) to VTS05(PGC1-8).

The commands are placed in PGC_Menu_9 in "my version".

And there are also values given to the GPreg and values are compared, all very nice and 'til here it's much like in your guide about BOV.

By the way: is there a guide anywhere which explains this stuff like GPreg, mov, set-val, etc. which can be found inside the ifos (kinda reference and/or syntax-explanation if you want :D )?

So far so good....what may also give me a headache is the fact that all these extras, the jumps are referring to, are multiangled (except the last one).....I don't know 'til now how (and if) this multiangle-stuff may also result in any special cell commands...

From what I saw, the structure of the extrastuff in VTS05 is otherwise not that complicated, as there seems to be no VOB-ID-sharing between the PGCs and the angles, it's all "clean separated".

And also not to forget that the max. bitrate has to be calculated differently when encoding multi-angle stuff, doesn't it? In this case I'd say max. bitrate should be not more than 7800 on the multiangled streams, at least that's what aquabubble told me some time ago (before he got abducted by aliens or hell knows where he is... :D )

Another thing: PGC1 (movie normal) & PGC3 (movie with references to extrastuff) in VTS01 have both VOB ID 1. But regarding the fact that the cell commands have to be placed manually, I'd say it's not necessary to demux that stuff by VOB-ID...it should be sufficient to demux and encode PGC1, delete the dummy for PGC3 in Scenarist and replace it with PGC1 and then somehow your magic comes into play with the cell commands :) ....right or not?

I'd appreciate it if you would explain how you managed to get it to work smoothly as you seem to be well experienced in understanding and interpreting what's going on inside the ifos. But please have "mercy", I'm still a noob on this "strange IFO hacking universe"... :D ;)

But at least I'm willing to learn, not at least 'cause I find this stuff quite interesting, once you step deeper inside the "rabbit hole" :)

Greetz & have a nice evening
69Mws

[influenza]

You seem to have a somewhat different structure then I. My extras are in VTS4 and not multiangled, but that shouldn't be much of a difference. You're right the max bitrate is different with angles, but I'm sure aqua has explained that well.

The multiangles will not result in a differnt kind of command.

All you have to do is get the cell to jump to PGC9 like you said and set the correct GPRM value. In my case GPRM 4 has to be set to 100, 200, 300, 400 etc. And you have to use a dummy VMG, just like in the guide regarding to snatch.

and yes you can do it by pgc. Delete pgc3 and replace it by PGC1. In pGC3 you're going to add your cell commands ofcourse.

[influenza]

I f**cked up big time. The extras do have angles. DOn't know how I could oversee that. That will mean reencoding them, damn.

What's really annoying though (curious if you experience this too) is that the enhanced viewing mode doesn't work with powerdvd (nt on backup nor original). This means I cannot check if everything is working.

[69Mws]

Originally posted by influenza
I f**cked up big time. The extras do have angles. DOn't know how I could oversee that. That will mean reencoding them, damn.

What's really annoying though (curious if you experience this too) is that the enhanced viewing mode doesn't work with powerdvd (nt on backup nor original). This means I cannot check if everything is working.

The enhanced viewing mode works for me with WinDVD Platinum.

The values you mentioned (100,200,etc.) are the same here.

Let me know how you got it working (I'm backing up some other stuff meanwhile anyway...) :)

Greetz
69Mws

[influenza]

It works with windvd, but not with powerdvd. STrange.

But anyway, it took some time to figure out. The commands to use are just in the ifo, so that's nice.

You have to set cell commands like mentioned in the ifo so :

set GPREG<5> mov (set-val)<100> (link subset) Linktail PGC
set GPREG<5> mov (set-val)<200> (link subset) Linktail PGC

etc.
If you look closely you'll see that in the post commands of PGC3 jumps are made to menu entries of this vobset (find them in vtsm_PGCI_UT). In these menu PGCS the jump is made to VMG PGC 9.

Note: set the cell commands to the right cells (so 1 cell before the cell where the movie will return).

[influenza]

Well I had some problems with this one. Although I was quite sure I was using the right commands they didn't work. So I made my scenario from scratch again and it does work now (with the same commands). Probably some corrupt scenarist cache or so.

But anyway I can confirm that the above mentioned cell commands work on the pal version.

For those who do not know how to set cell commands:

double click on any cell and in the simualtion window add all the cell commands you need. Close the simulation window and click on the scene where you want to add the cell command to. In the screen in the bottom middle (don't know the name) you can choose the cell comamnd you want.

I'm thinking of adding this example to my guide if anyone is interested.

[69Mws]

Originally posted by influenza
I'm thinking of adding this example to my guide if anyone is interested.

Definitely interested! :D

Greetz
69Mws

[influenza]

But you know how to do it now right? Or do you need more help?

For me it's working flawlessly now and I must say this is actually a lot less work then a 'real' BOV title, since you do not have to create buttons etc.

Too bad scenarist wasn't to cooperative and I didn't start from scratch after recompiling about 5 times...........So you see that laziness costs a lot of time :D

[69Mws]

Originally posted by influenza
But you know how to do it now right? Or do you need more help?

Well, I'll try it. The problem is, that unfortunately I'm not that familiar with "authoring-by-hand" in Scenarist and working with Scenarist can be a PITA when you're used to DVDMAestro.....although I'm also not that deep into DVDMaestro to rebuild such a structure like in Daredevil. There's no such thing in DVDMAestro where you have a graphical view of the DVD structure where you can drag&drop items.

Would be nice if you write the guide of the cell command stuff in Daredevil and meanwhile I try to get a better understanding of working with Scenarist :)

Greetz
69Mws

[69Mws]

BTW: how did you handle the VTS with the multi-angled extras? Did you demux them by PGC? Can this be imported with the RA script or do you also have to rebuild that manually?

Greetz
69Mws

[influenza]

I did it by VOBID. DOn't think it's possible by PGC.

But it's simple just demuxed them, encoded them with the proper settings and created the scenario. They don't have chapters, so that was very quickly done.

The only annoying thing (maybe you know the solution) is that on my standalone the angle symbol is shown when I have authored a title which has angles (not on the original). It's in the upper right hand corner and is shown through my subtitles if they are on top.

[influenza]

Oh: and BTW I was suffering from the DVD2AVI bug (dropping frames), which caused the vobids to have a differnt length and this will cause scenarist to refuse them as second/third angles.

So you'll have to make sure you set the number of frames correct in your ecl file before encoding (also see trilights notes on this if you don't know what I mean)

[Ripe73]

Hi!
Im working with Daredevil and i wonder whats best to do if i dont want BOV-extra.Encode it with very low bitrate and keep it so i dont mess up the dvdnavigation or insert dummy's from RA...i mean the dvdplayer will never look for these extra anyway,right?

[influenza]

Don't want it? SHame on you!

Yes use dummies. I you do not create the commands the pl;ayer will never look for it anyway, since it's not accessible from the menu.

[D3s7]

Originally posted by influenza
So you'll have to make sure you set the number of frames correct in your ecl file before encoding (also see trilights notes on this if you don't know what I mean)

Sure be nice if you could get BatchCCE or DoCCE to make the ecl's w/out launching cce

[Ripe73]

Don't want it? SHame on you!

Of course i want them but i dont understand the BOV :mad:

and it take some time to find out everything..:)

[D3s7]

This on the extras (dvd2)??

The region1 version of this movie only has 1 PGC in it

[influenza]

We're talking PAL here. Just the disc with the main movie on it. It has some BOV (actually cell activation) functionality.

[D3s7]

aah...

Yeah nothing like that that I see on the Region1 NTSC version...

heh.. scared me for a minute

[69Mws]

Originally posted by influenza
also see trilights notes on this if you don't know what I mean

I heard about this issue but I didn't have any problems with it by now.

I think it was something with filling the "2" in every line from the dvd2avi project file 'til the end, but I couldn't find your mentioned notes from Trilight on this one. I checked his site and "Das Uber Guide".

Greetz
69Mws

[whaqatac]

@ Influenza

Can you tell me exactly what your settings were for the first 3 cell commands as I tried the first three yesterday and again they were jumping to the wrong extras.

The command I used on cell command 1 was : Set to GPRM, Assign, GPRM5, 100, Link, Jump by Sub-Instructions, Post Command of Current PGC, 1.

The command I used on cell command 2 was : Set to GPRM, Assign, GPRM5, 200, Link, Jump by Sub-Instructions, Post Command of Current PGC, 2.

And so forth. Once I had set the cell command I dragged the corner of the cell to the VMG PGC9. The only thing that I can think of if the command is correct is that I am pressing update links after each new cell command has been wrote.

I hope the above makes sense and any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

[influenza]

I don't know If I have your ifo files anymore, because they might be different ofcourse. I'm talking about the PAL version. The Dutch and German version seem to be identical.

First of all: forget about the dummy VMG, that's not needed (just delete it from your project).

Assuming we're talking about the same ifos (just to be sure send them again by mail (influenza@influenza.speedlinq.nl) ) this is what happens: the cell commands are as you described them, they are correct. If you look closely at the ifo file and more specifically at the ceommands of PGC3 you'll see those cell commands too. They refer to the post commands of this PGC (just as you set the commands up in scenarist). If you look at the post commands you'll see that GPREG0 (if I recall correctly) is set to 100, 200, 300 etc and is compared to the value of GPREG5, which we have set in the cell commands. If the values are the same a jump will be made to the root menu of this title.(VTSM_PGCI_UT. Here is also the same comparison made of the register values and then a jump is made to an other PGC also in the VTSM_PGCI_UT section. From this PGC the jump is made to the VMG and from there to the extra.

So what you do is click on any cell to add all the commands above mentioned. Just all add them in a row.

After this go to the right cell (1 cell before the one where the movie will return, so the first command was in my case in cell 2). Click on this cell and in the screen in the middle you'll see something like cell command none. Use the pulldown menu to select the corresponding command. DO this for all cells and you're set.

In my case something went wrong: even though I used the correct commands it didn't work. I had to start from scratch to get it working.

Good luck!

PS: I probably have to adjust my guide for this cell command thing so I'll do that when I have time for it.

[whaqatac]

At Last!!!!!!!!!!!

After all the hard work of trying to figure this one out, I cannot believe it ended up so easy.

Exactly like you said Influenza, add all the cell commands first and then just choose them from the drop down menus. The DVD works perfectly now with all the jumps in the correct place.

Thanks for your help.

[influenza]

Goof for you!!!

Glad it all works. Hopefully the info is usefull to other (PAL) users as well.