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2COOL
5th September 2003, 05:24
How To Completely Blank Out a Multi-PGC TitleSet (Version 2 Optimized)
Courtesy of 2C:cool::cool:L

Jan 23, 2004 Update: Optional steps has been added to Steps 2 and 3 for people who want to keep original Number of Programs and Cells intact and have them all blanked out. Details in steps mentioned. ;)

This is almost a lot like my original Version 2, which has now been replaced with this guide in this thread, but with 2 less steps. All I changed in this guide was our Destination Directory in Step 3. Instead of using another folder to store you new VOBs, I had you just strip the files into the same directory your movie is also in.

This is a lot quicker way to completely blank out this TitleSet. In my Version 1 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60542), I had you create a custom multi-cell blank VOB. In this guide, we’ll just use a "single" VOB. So let’s get started.

In this guide, I used IFOedit 0.95.

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1. We need to replace our TitleSet VOBs (excluding 0.VOBs) in question with a single cell blank VOB. This VOB will have a VOB Id: 1 and a Cell Id: 1. Download this ZIP (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/files/BLANK_VOBS.zip) file from me, courtesy of MackemX. There’s a file inside called “1_BLANK_CELL.VOB”. It already has a VOB/CELL of 1/1 so all you need to do is rename it, in our case, as VTS_03_1.VOB. Make sure that it is in uppercase. After renaming, you can now replace this VOB with the original VOB set. You should have only a VTS_03_1.VOB in your Titleset.

Note: The Zip file I had posted originally only has NTSC blank VOBs. If you need PAL VOBs, here's another link, courstesy of MackemX.

http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/vobid/complete/complete.htm NTSC VOB's.ZIP or PAL VOB's.RAR. Inside these files, you'll find a VTS_0X_1.VOB, which only has a single VOB-ID and CELL-ID. That's what you'll use in this guide. ;)

Before

VTS_03_0.BUP
VTS_03_0.IFO
VTS_03_0.VOB
VTS_03_1.VOB ORIGINAL |
VTS_03_2.VOB ORIGINAL | (Total of 8 Cells)
VTS_03_3.VOB ORIGINAL |

After

VTS_03_0.BUP
VTS_03_0.IFO
VTS_03_0.VOB
VTS_03_1.VOB NEW (Only 1 Cell)
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In Figure 1, I have a Titleset 3 that has multi program chains (PGCs) which each having more than one cell. Using IFOedit, this is how our VTS_03_0.IFO / VTS overview looks like.

FIGURE 1.

VTS overview:

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:14:80.01 / 30 fps](Programs: 3)(Cells: 3)(uses VOB-IDs: 1,2)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:06:57.01 / 30 fps
..[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 2] : time: 00:05:22.00 / 30 fps
..[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] : time: 00:03:30.00 / 30 fps

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:09:03.26 / 30 fps](Programs: 3)(Cells: 3)(uses VOB-IDs: 3)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 3/ 1] : time: 00:00:11.26 / 30 fps
..[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 3/ 2] : time: 00:05:22.00 / 30 fps
..[Ch 03] [Pg 03] [Cell 03] [V/C Id: 3/ 3] : time: 00:03:30.00 / 30 fps

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:04:44.10 / 30 fps](Programs: 2)(Cells: 2)(uses VOB-IDs: 4)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 4/ 1] : time: 00:01:44.00 / 30 fps
..[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 4/ 2] : time: 00:03:00.10 / 30 fps


We want it to look like Figure 2. Notice how every PGC has been replaced with a 15 millisecond (ms) blank VOB? It's just about a 10 KB black disply that is so quick in playing, you hardly see it. clip

FIGURE 2.


PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps](Programs: 1)(Cells: 1)(uses VOB-IDs: 1)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps](Programs: 1)(Cells: 1)(uses VOB-IDs: 1)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps](Programs: 1)(Cells: 1)(uses VOB-IDs: 1)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps


This is what we need to accomplish and here’s what we’ll do.
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2. Browse to our VTS_03_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1 in IFOedit. At the top of the page, we’ll have this.


Number of Programs....3
Number of Cells.......3

Optional: If want to keep all your original Number of Programs and Cells, you can. But, I still highly recommend you don't. Doing it this way will still work and DVD Structure is still intact but it will take a while for title bypassing to occur, especially if you had more than one cell. Just tell yourself which is quicker...one blank cell or 2? ;) But if you want to, then skip this step.

Double click on each line and change both values to 1.

Number of Programs.... 1
Number of Cells....... 1

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3. Now, still on the same page, scroll down to the bottom section, Cell Position in VOB. We need to only edit Cell_1 if you have more cells in this PGC. So again, Double click on each line and change both values to 1. This is to reflect the changes you done above.

Cell_1: has VOB ID.....1
Cell_1: has Cell ID....1

Optional: Perform only this if you had skipped Step 2 and kept your original Number of Programs and Cells intact. Now, to have all your cells referenced to your inserted blank cell VOB, do this for every cell in this table.

For example...

Cell_1: has VOB ID.....1
Cell_1: has Cell ID....1
Cell_2: has VOB ID.....1
Cell_2: has Cell ID....1
Cell_3: has VOB ID.....1
Cell_3: has Cell ID....1
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4. Repeat Steps 2 and 3 for every VTS_PGC_# you have. We want to completely blank this TitleSet out.
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5. Save IFO and BUP (optional)
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6. Open up VTS_03_0.IFO in IFOedit and press your “VOB Extras”. Have these settings checked. Click OK when done.

Options
X Strip Streams’
X Correct Vob-Unit (Navigation Pack) pointers in VOB-files
X Correct original IFO files

VOB Expert Options
X Remove P-UOps
X Remove Macrovision
X Adjust Vob-Unit pointers
X Adjust Audio/Subp point.

File/Directory Paths
Destination directory: (browse to our “NEW” folder) See Note
Remember to uncheck your “AutoCopy Menu-files to destination”

Note: If IFOedit says to select a different directory, then create another directory and browse to that.
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7. Uncheck all streams and “Correct IFO tables” should be checked by default. Click “Strip it” button to start process.
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8. Wow! That was quick! :p Anyways, you’ll now have a message box saying “Finishing correcting VOBU pointers!”. Click OK.
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9. Close IFOedit
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10. If you had a different directory for your new files (Step 6) then select all your files in that directory and drag them into your original directory. Click "Yes to All".
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11. Open IFOedit and select any IFO. Press your “Get VTS sectors” button. Click Yes and OK.
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12. Press your DVD Play button to test out our new product.

g2345c
5th September 2003, 06:08
If I have more than one VOB file (ex: VTS_03_1.VOB and VTS_03_2.VOB) in the original structure. What do i have to do? Do I have to create 2 blank vobs or just one

Thanks

2COOL
5th September 2003, 06:15
Originally posted by g2345c
If I have more than one VOB file (ex: VTS_03_1.VOB and VTS_03_2.VOB) in the original structure. What do i have to do? Do I have to create 2 blank vobs or just one

Thanks In this guide, you just use 1. Replace your three original VOBs with a single cell VOB that I have provided.

2COOL
7th September 2003, 08:59
Original Version 2 guide has been optimized and replaced by a newer guide with 2 less steps. See first post in this thread.

It just got quicker to get rid of your Multi-PGC TitleSet.:D:D

MackemX
8th September 2003, 21:13
:SNIP: :D

2COOL
9th September 2003, 00:56
@MackemX

I don't mind at all. I'll like this new logical flow of procedure and have revised the guide. ;) Thanks!

MackemX
10th September 2003, 02:59
I was bored earlier today so I created a Flash guide for this procedure :)

link to GUIDE (260kb) (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/guides/multiple.htm) best viewed on full screen with minimum resolution of 1024x768

2COOL
10th September 2003, 04:57
Originally posted by MackemX
I was bored earlier today so I created a Flash guide for this procedure :)

link to GUIDE (260kb) (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/guides/multiple.htm) best viewed on full screen with minimum resolution of 1024x768 You definitely was bored! Great visual! Can you do the others now?

2X rules! (crossing fingers on both hands for the theory-testers salute) :p :p :D

Chowskie
23rd September 2003, 17:11
Originally posted by 2COOL
5. Open up VTS_02_0.IFO in IFOedit and press your “VOB Extras”. Have these settings checked. Click OK when done.

Hey 2COOL, typo. Shouldn't it be VTS_03_0.IFO? A newbie like me might follow exactly what u said there and comes up with something cool. Heheh :p

Btw, terrific guide! :)

p/s: shouldn't we save the file after done step 4?

2COOL
23rd September 2003, 19:24
Originally posted by Chowskie
p/s: shouldn't we save the file after done step 4? Thanks for the catch but as for saving after step 4, I just put in as an optional step.

MDesigner
9th November 2003, 06:05
What if I have just one VTS_* with one vob/cell in it? I have VTS_51_1.* and it's got just ONE vobID with one cell in it. So I can't change number of progs/cells to 1 cuz it's already 1. Then I click VOB Extras and check all those checkboxes and uncheck all streams and Vobs.. strip it.. and it says it's an invalid VOB (probably cuz it's empty)

How do I just delete this VOB entirely??

Thanks

maa
9th November 2003, 12:56
You need to uncheck all audio and sub streams but KEEP the VOB ID !

MDesigner
9th November 2003, 20:18
OK.. I did that.. so now I that title displays, but there's no sound. I don't want it to appear at all. I'm starting to think it's not possible with IfoEdit & MenuEdit..

2COOL
9th November 2003, 22:50
@MDesigner

I'm wondering why you are having problems with performing this guide.

Originally posted by MDesigner
What if I have just one VTS_* with one vob/cell in it? I have VTS_51_1.* and it's got just ONE vobID with one cell in it. So I can't change number of progs/cells to 1 cuz it's already 1.Great! If step 2 and 3 has been already accomplished, you have less things to do.
Then I click VOB Extras and check all those checkboxes and uncheck all streams and Vobs.. strip it.. and it says it's an invalid VOB (probably cuz it's empty)At this point, did you replace all your VTS_51_1.VOB to VTS_51_*.VOBs with a single blank VOB, which can be downloaded in the ZIP link provided in Step 1 of guide? In your case, all you need to do is rename that VOB as VTS_51_1.VOB like it says in Step 1. Then you can skip to Step 6 and resume there.
How do I just delete this VOB entirely??This guide does not "entirely" deletes your VOB. It doesn't matter how big your total size of your VTS_51_1.VOB to VTS_51_.*.VOB is. At the end, with the blank VOB replacement,you'll only have 10KB left. Are you so hard up for disk space? This guide was created so that the DVD structure will be retained. Works great if you had to process DVD Shrink's analysis. There's also this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50245) to bypass the blank clip from playing when you are done with this guide.

MDesigner
10th November 2003, 03:55
OK.. I redid the steps from scratch again. worked like a charm. thanks a ton!!

Tiffany
9th December 2003, 07:04
Hey 2Cool

Reading through your tutorial, I'm sure I could follow it OK, and forgive the gumby question, but why exactly would I want to "completely blank out a multi-PGC Titleset?"
What exactly are we achieving here :confused:

2COOL
9th December 2003, 10:51
Originally posted by Tiffany
Hey 2Cool

Reading through your tutorial, I'm sure I could follow it OK, and forgive the gumby question, but why exactly would I want to "completely blank out a multi-PGC Titleset?"
What exactly are we achieving here :confused:
Everyone has their own preference on what is unwanted stuff to get rid of. If the DVD is too big, there are a lot of things to get strip out.

Examples:
Company logos
FBI warnings
Movie ratings
Dolby clips
THX clips
audio tracks
subtitle tracks
Trailers
misc. movie intros
misc. post clips after movie
etc.

If you had to encode or transcode, the rule of thumb is the more you strip out, the better your video quality will be. Alot of times you encounter a titleset with stuff that is "crap" and it takes up unnecessary space. So we eliminate these titlesets by using a blank VOB and editing the IFO so that at the end, the titleset in question is cut down in size considerably and the DVD structure is still intact that you won't have any playback errors.

If you have done alot of DVD-9 movies, you will have learn that what you keep plays a big part on how your movie's video quality turns out at the end. ;)

Tiffany
9th December 2003, 10:57
Thanks 2Cool...I thought that was the drift, but just wanted to be sure. Can't wait now to try one out :)

kenma
9th January 2004, 01:19
@2cool
where to get blank vobs in pal resolution ? how do you do blank vobs on your own ?

2COOL
9th January 2004, 01:38
Originally posted by kenma
@2cool
where to get blank vobs in pal resolution ? how do you do blank vobs on your own ? You can get them from MackemX.

http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/vobid/complete/complete.htm NTSC VOB's.ZIP or PAL VOB's.RAR.

(*edit)VTS_0X_1.VOB only has a single VOB-ID and CELL-ID.

kenma
12th January 2004, 14:13
Originally posted by 2COOL
You can get them from MackemX.

http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/vobid/complete/complete.htm NTSC VOB's.ZIP or PAL VOB's.RAR.

VTS_0X_1.VOB only has only VOB-ID and CELL-ID.

what does the last sentence mean ?

maa
12th January 2004, 14:20
VTS_0X_1.VOB only has one VOB-ID and CELL-ID

2COOL
13th January 2004, 03:08
Originally posted by maa
VTS_0X_1.VOB only has one VOB-ID and CELL-ID Oop! :( Thanks for the correction, maa. ;)

ViRuS2k
22nd January 2004, 00:08
site that the pal blank vob is down ?
anyone know of alternate ?

im trying to strip out trailers form anger managment
problem is when i use ifo edit and striping out the trailer/s

i get no navigation menu found but i know its there becuse i can view it in ifo edit.... it just wont rip it out ?

i can rip the audio out but i want the trailers completely out hmmmm
any clues 2cool ???????

2COOL
22nd January 2004, 00:19
Originally posted by ViRuS2k
site that the pal blank vob is down ?
anyone know of alternate ?Try jsoto's new tool and create a single VOB with VOB ID 1 and Cell ID 1.

Originally posted by jsoto
Changelog:
Vers 0.02 (18-01-2004)
- Change in ComboBoxes rules and management. Seems now works better...
- Tooltips added in add/ins dialog.
- Check file overwrite when Generate
- Default VOB name changed to VTS_01_1.VOB
- Listboxes filled up to 255.
- Does not exit when generate, only on quit or close.
- Title window shows version.

Links are the same, but files are the new ones
BlankVob.exe (http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_exe.zip)
Sources (http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_src.zip)

2COOL
22nd January 2004, 00:22
Originally posted by ViRuS2k
i can rip the audio out but i want the trailers completely out hmmmm
any clues 2cool ??????? Do you know where what TitleSet your trailers belong in? Is your Titleset in question containing only trailers?

ViRuS2k
23rd January 2004, 04:55
Originally posted by 2COOL
Do you know where what TitleSet your trailers belong in? Is your Titleset in question containing only trailers?


thx for the help m8.

unfortunatly i had to do it another way as the movie in question had to be returned if you know what i mean ehehe :)


if i get another movie in future that does that same error in ifoedit i will let ya no so we can work together on it :)


i basicly had to do it the hard way hehe

i used shrink to make the trailers into a slideshow to get some size reduced....... :)

jarthel
20th February 2004, 14:49
just tried this on a PAL anime DVD. Well it did strip a multi-PGC VTS. I think I have done it correctly has the guide is quite easy to follow and nothing too complex in it.

but the only problem is that when I play the stripped VTS (located inside a VIDEO_TS folder) in IFOEDIT, it just hangs.

I then created an img of the files using imgtool. Loaded it using Alcohol 120% and used WinDVD and Zoom player to view the stripped VTS. Still the same problem. In WinDVD, it hangs. In zoom player, it just stops playing the video.

Any idea on where the problem would be? Thanks

jayel

2COOL
20th February 2004, 19:12
@jarthel

How about trying this. Skip Step 2 and and in Step 3, change all your VOB and Cell IDs to 1/1.

I've done alot of animes and the DVD structures are , on the average, somewhat different to what I see in common episodic DVDs.

jarthel
20th February 2004, 20:05
Originally posted by 2COOL
@jarthel

How about trying this. Skip Step 2 and and in Step 3, change all your VOB and Cell IDs to 1/1.

I've done alot of animes and the DVD structures are , on the average, somewhat different to what I see in common episodic DVDs.

I did just that. some PGC have 2 Cells (4 entries at the bottom) and I changed everything to point to 1.

jarthel
21st February 2004, 13:08
I just tried the single-PGC guide on a multi-PGC VTS and it worked perfectly. I guess that's what you meant by skipping step 2.

:)

jayel

Steel
11th May 2004, 02:09
Where can i get there blanks, the url in the post is dead?

jsoto
11th May 2004, 08:11
www.posunplugged.com/jsoto/tools/blank_exe.zip
www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_exe.zip
jsoto