How To Completely Blank Out a Whole Multi-PGC TitleSet (Version 1)

[2COOL]

How To Completely Blank Out a Multi-PGC TitleSet (Version 1)
Courtesy of 2C:cool::cool:L

Note: I wrote this guide first but found a quicker way to do it. See my Version 2 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=60788). In this guide, I had you create a multi-cell blank VOB while the next version, I had you use a readily made single-cell blank VOB.

This guide is only for Titles that have Multiple Program Chains (PGCs). If you are looking for the guide for TitleSets that have only one Program Chain (PGC), here’s the link (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=60533). In this guide, I used IFOedit 0.95 and VOBedit 0.60. Oh by the way, it is assumed that all your files have been ripped.

I’m going to use a TitleSet that that 3 Multiple PGCs. Below (Figure 1) is what files I have and how it looks like in my movie’s Multi-PGC TitleSet’s VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS overview.

Figure 1.

VIDEO_TS.BUP .......26 KB
VIDEO_TS.IFO .......26 KB
VIDEO_TS.VOB ....1,056 KB
VTS_01_0.BUP .......32 KB
VTS_01_0.IFO .......32 KB
VTS_01_0.VOB ......236 KB
VTS_01_1.VOB ....7,984 KB
VTS_02_0.BUP .......74 KB
VTS_02_0.IFO .......74 KB
VTS_02_0.VOB ..107,878 KB
VTS_02_1.VOB 1,048,544 KB
VTS_02_2.VOB 1,048,544 KB
VTS_02_3.VOB 1,048,544 KB
VTS_02_4.VOB 1,048,544 KB
VTS_02_5.VOB ....4,603 KB

Figure 2.

VTS overview:

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:22:47.05 / 30 fps] (Programs: 7) (Cells: 8)
.................................................................(uses VOB-IDs: 1,2,3,4,5,6)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:22.20 / 30 fps
.
..[Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 08] [V/C Id: 6/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:22:59.05 / 30 fps] (Programs: 7) (Cells: 8)
...............................................................(uses VOB-IDs: 7,8,9,10,11,12)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 7/ 2] : time: 00:01:22.08 / 30 fps
.
..[Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 08] [V/C Id: 12/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:23:00.05 / 30 fps] (Programs: 7) (Cells: 16)
............................................................(uses VOB-IDs: 13,14,15,16,17,18)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 13/ 1] : time: 00:01:22.03 / 30 fps
.
..[Ch 07] [Pg 07] [Cell 16] [V/C Id: 18/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps

Our goal is to have our PGC times to end up like Figure 3.

Figure 3.

VTS overview:

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1)(Cells: 1)
.................................................................(uses VOB-IDs: 1)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1)(Cells: 1)
...............................................................(uses VOB-IDs: 7)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 7/ 2] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps] (Programs: 1)(Cells: 1)
............................................................(uses VOB-IDs: 13)
..[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 13/ 1] : time: 00:00:00.15 / 30 fps

Let’s start some action...
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1. We need to Custom make a VTS_02_1.VOB to replace our combined VTS_02_1.VOB to VTS_02_5.VOB in Figure 1. Here’s the guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=60543) to do it.
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2. Now that we have our custom multi-PGC blank VOB, we need to delete some files. The movie files reside in VTS_02_1.VOB to VTS_02_05.VOB in Figure 1 so we’ll delete all those now.
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3. Copy our custom VTS_02_1.VOB ( from Step 1) into our movie folder. (Figure 4)

Figure 4.

VIDEO_TS.BUP .......26 KB
VIDEO_TS.IFO .......26 KB
VIDEO_TS.VOB ....1,056 KB
VTS_01_0.BUP .......32 KB
VTS_01_0.IFO .......32 KB
VTS_01_0.VOB ......236 KB
VTS_01_1.VOB ....7,984 KB
VTS_02_0.BUP .......74 KB
VTS_02_0.IFO .......74 KB
VTS_02_0.VOB ..107,878 KB
VTS_02_1.VOB .......26 KB

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4. The DVD Structure is pretty much messed up at this point as the data in VTS_02_0.IFO doesn’t work to well with our new VTS_02_1.VOB. So, to correct that, we are going to do some stream stripping. Before we do that, let’s create a target folder named “NEW”. button.
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5. Open up VTS_02_0.IFO in IFOedit and press your “VOB Extras”. Have these settings checked. Click OK when done.

Options
X Strip Streams’
X Correct Vob-Unit (Navigation Pack) pointers in VOB-files
X Correct original IFO files

VOB Expert Options
X Remove P-UOps
X Remove Macrovision
X Adjust Vob-Unit pointers
X Adjust Audio/Subp point.

File/Directory Paths
Destination directory: (browse to our “NEW” folder)
X AutoCopy Menu-files to destination
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6. Uncheck all streams and “Correct IFO tables” should be checked by default. Click “Strip it” button to start process.
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7. Wow! That was Quick! :p Anyways, you’ll now have a message box saying “Finishing correcting VOBU pointers!”. Click OK and your Menu VOBs will be copying over.
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8. In our “New” folder, we have these files now.

VIDEO_TS.BUP
VIDEO_TS.IFO
VIDEO_TS.VOB
VTS_02_0.BUP
VTS_02_0.IFO
VTS_02_0.VOB
VTS_02_1.VOB

Drag all your files, in original movie folder, that are missing in our “NEW” folder. In this case, only our VTS_01 files. So now, we have our files back together again! :D (Figure 5)

Figure 5.

VIDEO_TS.BUP
VIDEO_TS.IFO
VIDEO_TS.VOB
VTS_01_0.BUP
VTS_01_0.IFO
VTS_01_0.VOB
VTS_01_1.VOB
VTS_02_0.BUP
VTS_02_0.IFO
VTS_02_0.VOB
VTS_02_1.VOB

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9. Now, open up VTS_02_0.IFO in our “NEW” folder and press your “Get VTS sectors” button. Click Yes and OK.
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10. Press your DVD Play button to test out our new product. In our case, if we selected Play Movie or any of the chapter scenes, our movie should immediately end and the post commands take over. This is what I wanted to do and that’s what I got. YAYYYY!!!:D

This is similar to doing Titlesets with a single PGC but you need to do some extra time to get the custom VOB. This is just another method to also get rid of all those multi- PGC you don't want and it does trims down on the size.

[windtrader]

2Cool,

Nice method! Couple of things:

1) typo I think (should be 1 program, right)

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps] (Programs: 7)(Cells: 1)

2) PCG entries can reference the same cell; any reason why you did not just point to a single blank cell?

[2COOL]

Originally posted by windtrader
2Cool,

Nice method! Couple of things:

1) typo I think (should be 1 program, right)

PGC_3 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 3] [00:00:00.15 / 30 fps] (Programs: 7)(Cells: 1)

2) PCG entries can reference the same cell; any reason why you did not just point to a single blank cell?
@windtrader

Thanks!

1. Typo noted and corrected. I was doing alot of copy and pasting to ease on the typing.

2. That's why I wrote How To Completely Blank Out a Multi-PGC TitleSet (Version 2) (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=60788).

[MackemX]

here's a very similar method to yours 2COOL that I've made into a FLASH guide. I was really really bored :D

guide is HERE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/vobid/complete/complete.htm) and is 380kb

I've just created 20 VOB's each having the same amount of VOB ID's as the number of the file because I thought that will do for now but it's only NTSC files. It only takes seconds to make them in Menuedit so I may make a few more

I guess it just saves manually editing the VOB/Cell ID with VOBEDIT and also keeps the VOB ID Structure as long as there ain't any more than 20 of course. The filesize ain't that bad as the zip file is only 33kb for the 20 VOB's yet it's 2.05MB unzipped!

I don't know why I bother really as I can do it with Menuedit anyway but maybe it will help someone :)

[maa]

Originally posted by MackemX
I was really really bored

Well when you are really really really really really really bored would you make 20 in Pal and post them somewhere handy ?

;) :D ;)

:cool:

[MackemX]

Originally posted by maa
Well when you are really really really really really really bored would you make 20 in Pal and post them somewhere handy ?

;) :D ;)

:cool:

updated guide, no NTSC now as I've changed the guide and it's only got PAL blanks now

there are now 100 PAL blank VOB ID'ds (thanks to macromaker :D) and zipped it's only 130KB, yet unzipped it's 50MB :eek: so it's best just to extract the VOB you need

takes seconds to do it once you don't need the guide :D

[maa]

:) Wow - thanks:)

[MackemX]

@maa,

did the page load correctly?

the 3rd guide isn't loading for me :( for some stupid reason even pressing CTRL +F5!

[maa]

Yes - no problem !

[MackemX]

cheers

just found a super simple method and if it works it will be great!!!!!!!!!

testing now

[maa]

just found a problem with the flash guides - its not possible to make the download to HD for offline viewing or trasport to such comperters that don't have and internet connection :(

[2COOL]

@MackemX

Some things I noticed in your guide.

1. NTSC VOB's.RAR link is not available.
2. Your example's PGC_2 already shows it with a blank cell. It would be quicker to use this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=367148#post367148). My suggestion to you is to use an example that didn't have any blank cells.

[MackemX]

yeah, maybe I should of used another example but I have nothing ripped :( so I just stuck with it

I also think it's still easier for newbies to check how many VOB ID's there are then replace the VOB and use Ifoedit to fix it, rather than go editing numbers etc and get lost in the IFO as most are scared by it whereas we could do it blindfolded

this method is simple as long as there isn't anything more than 100 VOB ID's. In fact you could probaly get away with just replacing the VTS_0x_1.VOB with the 990kb 100 VOB ID VOB and let Ifoedit just pick the ones it needs out of that with any need to check for the highest VOB ID. The thing is the Simpsons disc here has over 240 VOB ID's in a titleset :( so it's still best to check but it doesn't take long anyway once you know where to look

I could create 999 VOB ID files for download so the user could build them but that would involve using Vobedit to build the VOB so I decided just to create all the VOB's upto 100 VOB ID's instead using macromaker to save the trouble foe the newbies

the NTSC link is disabled at the minute as I haven't created the VOB's yet as I'm busy trying other things an it looks promising

I do have 20 NTSC blanks but they need renamimg to fit with the guide but like I say it's disabled as it has different file names even though it would still be easy to follow

I'm a bit pissed now after watching the Lads so I guess I'm gonna chill for the night :D

cheers

p.s. I may give you a shout sometime as I may need help on something I'm thinking of doing but my brain ain't working properly at the mo (if it ever does anyway!) so I may just leave it for now

[2COOL]

Originally posted by MackemX
I could create 999 VOB ID files for download so the user could build them but that would involve using Vobedit to build the VOB so I decided just to create all the VOB's upto 100 VOB ID's instead using macromaker to save the trouble foe the newbiesWouldn't it be great if someone came up with a simple program that produces custom vobs with all cells with right V/C IDs.

[jsoto]

Hi all,

If you are still interested, may be could try this (http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_tools.zip)
I am learning VC and I did these two simple apps..., but I still did not test them in deep. (I was focused in the dialogs, and may be the output file is not OK)

Feedback will be appreciated.

jsoto

PS: Sources will be available as soon as I clean a little bit the code (You know, I really do not know what is an "object".. :) ).
Also, I would like to specially thanks Nic, for made Rejig sources available. I am learning a lot with them.

[$$$]

Tried it out and got a problem in IfoEdit...

I generated a PAL VOB file with 1 vob-id and 1 cell-id. Then I wanted to create IFOs for this file with IfoEdit but only got an error message

"Could not find any VOB unit in VOB file(s)"

$

[2COOL]

@jsoto

Your VOB creation tool looks promising. I wish I could create a custom VOB like this though.

VOBID 1 - CELLID 1
VOBID 1 - CELLID 2
VOBID 2 - CELLID 1
VOBID 4 - CELLID 1
VOBID 4 - CELLID 2
VOBID 6 - CELLID 1

[jsoto]

@$$$
Sorry if it too simple, but just to be sure, did you rename your "BLANK.VOB" to a valid name, i.e. VTS_01_1.VOB?
I didn't use this filename as default to avoid accidentally overwrite files.

@2COOL I wish I could create a custom VOB ....Me too, I'll try, but I need my time to digest VC.. :)
BTW, I have one doubt, may be you can help me.
I'm changing VODID, CELLID and *this* LBA pointer in Nav packs. Do I have to do something more?

EDIT for clarification: I'm using MackemX's 1_CELL_VOBs as "raw" input and just changing these three numbers

jsoto

[$$$]

Yes, I did rename it, but wrongly... VTS_01_01.VOB instead of VTS_01_1.VOB. It works after correction.

$

[2COOL]

Originally posted by jsoto
@2COOL Me too, I'll try, but I need my time to digest VC.. :)
BTW, I have one doubt, may be you can help me.
I'm changing VODID, CELLID and *this* LBA pointer in Nav packs. Do I have to do something more?

EDIT for clarification: I'm using MackemX's 1_CELL_VOBs as "raw" input and just changing these three numbersI'd say to pay attention to these

VOBU end address - relative
VOBU first reference frame end block
VOB ID
Cell ID
Cell elapsed time (BCD)

Not to sure yet but looking so good far.

[jsoto]

Thankx, I'll do some hex investigation on these in several VOBs.
jsoto

[jsoto]

Hi all,

Finally, I was able to write this simple tool, including the creation of a custom Vob. Command Line is also supported
BlankVob.exe (http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_exe.zip)
Sources (http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_src.zip)
I'd say to pay attention to these
VOBU end address - relative
VOBU first reference frame end block
VOB ID
Cell ID
Cell elapsed time (BCD)

I've found MackemX's Vob files do not change any of these, except VOBID & CELLID.

In fact,
VOBU end address - relative, so it's always the same.
VOBU first reference frame end block, seems to me it's always the same.
Cell elapsed time (BCD): Well, I can change it, but AFAIK , a discontinuity in elapsed time can be managed, so the simplest way is to keep it as it is.

Let me know if you find any bug or if any improvement is required.

jsoto

[2COOL]

Thanks! I'll be betatesting it soon. ;)

Update: Looks good so far but I still wish, you could program it to do this.

Originally posted by 2COOL
@jsoto

Your VOB creation tool looks promising. I wish I could create a custom VOB like this though.

VOBID 1 - CELLID 1
VOBID 1 - CELLID 2
VOBID 2 - CELLID 1
VOBID 4 - CELLID 1
VOBID 4 - CELLID 2
VOBID 6 - CELLID 1
Also, maybe a option to change the filename so that we could have it like...

VTS_01_1.VOB

[jsoto]

Originally posted by 2COOL
Your VOB creation tool looks promising. I wish I could create a custom VOB like this though.

VOBID 1 - CELLID 1
VOBID 1 - CELLID 2
VOBID 2 - CELLID 1
VOBID 4 - CELLID 1
VOBID 4 - CELLID 2
VOBID 6 - CELLID 1

:confused: Is it unable do it for you?
You have to select "custom mode", and then add the desired rows one by one. In your example:
VobID 1 CellID from 1 to 2
VobID 2 CellID from 1 to 1
VobID 4 CellID from 1 to 2
VobID 6 CellID from 1 to 1

In fact, you can even change the order of the VOBIDs..


Also, maybe a option to change the filename so that we could have it like...VTS_01_1.VOB

I supposed you are asking to change the default name (you always can change the destination file, including the name). Yes, it would be better to use VTS_01_1.VOB, but in this case I should have to ask about overwriting. To be done in next version.

jsoto

[RB]

shh (author of FitCD and Restream) has written a similar utility. Works well, but tested with PAL only so far.

TitleSet Blanker v0.8.0 (http://shh.dvdboard.de/download.php?Action=DL&ID=titlesetblanker080)

[2COOL]

@jsoto

Sorry, my bad! :( I guess I didn't test out the custom option. Works just as plan. Thanks! :D

@RB

Works even better. I wish the NTSC version is available soon and that there's an option to put the backup files into another folder instead of the source folder. What would be awesome is an implementation to correct the sectors. The pseudo code to do that is explained here (http://www.mpucoder.com/derrow/calcsec.html#manual). Anyways, thanks for the Titleset Blanker link. :D

@All
For you lucky PAL users, when using Titleset Blanker, drag all your original files, the ones with renamed with "~" at end to another folder and open up any IFO in main folder with IfoEdit. Click on VTS Sectors button for IFO corrections.

[2COOL]

@jsoto

Your tool goes up to VOB IDs of 20 and Cell IDs of 20. I believe the max allowable for VOB IDs in hex is FFFF or 655535 and for Cell ids, it's FF or 255. Though it's rare that a DVD would go that high in IDs, I would like to suggest you raise the ID #s to say...255 for both VOB and Cell. ;)

[jsoto]

Good news, seems shh's app is more advanced than mine (in fact I was thinking in doing the same as an evolution of BlankVob..). Well, at least I've learned a little bit of VC. Sure I'll use this knowledge in the future..

jsoto

Edit: Sorry , a typo in shh name..

[jsoto]

@2cool

Please write directly into the combo boxes the desired numbers. (max 255). Tooltips show you this trick :)

jsoto

[2COOL]

Originally posted by jsoto
Good news, seems ssh's app is more advanced than mine (in fact I was thinking in doing the same as an evolution of BlankVob..). Well, at least I've learned a little bit of VC. Sure I'll use this knowledge in the future..

jsoto Couldn't find any info on TitleSet Blanker but for the mean time, your tool does NTSC. I can work with this. You're almost there for providing us with a great alternate tool if you implemented a few things I mentioned. Keep up the good work! Hope to see your new version soon. ;)

[2COOL]

Originally posted by jsoto
@2cool

Please write directly into the combo boxes the desired numbers. (max 255). Tooltips show you this trick :)

jsoto It's buggy when I try to do VOB ID 254 to 255. Could you add the values to drop down list?

[jsoto]

It's buggy when I try to do VOB ID 254 to 255
I´ll check it.Could you add the values to drop down list? Yes. In next version.Tooltips show you this trick Not really true..., only in first (main window). I'll add tooltips to the Add/insert Window too. It's easy (BTW, tooltips are not my code, I've taken tooltip Class from Rejig...)
You're almost there for providing us with a great alternate tool if you implemented a few things I mentioned. Keep up the good work! Hope to see your new version soon. Many thanks, 2COOL. Thanks also for your help in this board. I (and many others) have learned many of the secrets of DVDs reading your guides (I've a copy in my HD of many them.., he he)
jsoto

[jsoto]

Hi again,

Changelog:
Vers 0.02 (18-01-2004)
- Change in ComboBoxes rules and management. Seems now works better...
- Tooltips added in add/ins dialog.
- Check file overwrite when Generate
- Default VOB name changed to VTS_01_1.VOB
- Listboxes filled up to 255.
- Does not exit when generate, only on quit or close.
- Title window shows version.

Links are the same, but files are the new ones
BlankVob.exe (http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_exe.zip)
Sources (http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/tools/blank_src.zip)

@2COOL
I hope the bug you are reporting was related with Combos management. If not (or if you find another one), please let me know.

jsoto

[2COOL]

jsoto,

The dropdowns work great! But I do have a slight bug though. If I had set my Format to NTSC first and then browse to my destination directory, it changes back to PAL. But it works normally if I browse first and then change it to NTSC. It should be a simple fix to check the format prior to browsing and making sure that whatever format is selected is still selected afterwards. Other than that, it looks very good! :D Thanks!

Another thing, in your About messagebox, it's "Blank" not "Bank". :p
And another thing, the version in About box does not match what you have in Titlebar.

[RB]

@2COOL: TitleSetBlanker already corrects VTS sectors. I'll ask shh for NTSC support.

[RB]

Well, looks like NTSC support is already there in v0.8.0. From the readme:

Changes:
======================
v0.8.0: release: January, 12th 2004
+ Backup functionality in the same directory
+ Blanking of multiple TitleSets
+ Correction of VTS-sector positions
+ Directory/file-browser
+ Show size of video-VOBs
+ Blank video-streams for:
anamorphic and 4:3 PAL and NTSC

[2COOL]

Originally posted by RB
Well, looks like NTSC support is already there in v0.8.0. From the readme:

Changes:
======================
v0.8.0: release: January, 12th 2004
+ Backup functionality in the same directory
+ Blanking of multiple TitleSets
+ Correction of VTS-sector positions
+ Directory/file-browser
+ Show size of video-VOBs
+ Blank video-streams for:
anamorphic and 4:3 PAL and NTSC
OK, so now for my stoopid question as I took a run at TitleSet Blanker 0.8.0 again, which is the link you provided. Where is the option to do NTSC? I can browse to my NTSC files but I still end up with PAL VOBs. :confused:

Also...

TitleSetBlanker already corrects VTS sectors.Why is that when I still do a Get VTS Sectors in IfoEdit, there are still sectors corrected. Shouldn't I have non after TitleSet Blanker is done? Try it for yourself. ;)

[jsoto]

Same links with updated files.
Vers 0.03 (21-01-2004)
Bugs fixed:
- UpdateData missing in OpenFileDialog
- About dlg was not updated.

@2cool
Other than that, it looks very good! Thanks! Happy if it is useful. Thanks for your bug reports.

Well, seems I've to find anything more to do, any suggestions? (please, simple things, I'm a newbie in programming, and with not much free time)

jsoto

[2COOL]

Originally posted by jsoto
Happy if it is useful. Thanks for your bug reports.It is indeed useful and thank again! :D

Well, seems I've to find anything more to do, any suggestions? (please, simple things, I'm a newbie in programming, and with not much free time)Nothing to suggest ATM and you're doing a fine job for being a newbie VC++ programmer. ;) BTW, are you good with arrays?

[jsoto]

@2cool
BTW, are you good with arrays?
Sure not now, but I can try to become... :)
jsoto

[maa]

Ooops - EDIT !


Just tried the TitleSetBlanker tool !
Great - saves much time :D

Maybe for ease of use you could change the Back-up function a little:

Have it make a Directroy and move the files there instead of re-naming - as its difficult to go back without a complicated re-naming job or batch file.

thanks again

maa

p.s.
The author of this program has a web site but this program is not mentioned - anyone know where he hangs out ?

[RB]

@maa:
Just use the email address from the readme. shh(at)dvdboard.de
shh released a new version 0.9.0 (http://shh.dvdboard.de/download.php?Action=DL&ID=titlesetblanker090):

v0.9.0: release: January, 21th 2004
+ Blanking of VideoManager-menus
+ Display of VideoManager-size
+ Blanking of TitleSet-menus
+ Display of menu-size
+ Combining programs is now optional
+ Combining cells is now optional
+ Removing of Cell-stops
+ Some quick-tipps
o Increased compatibility, but sometimes longer
playback-time of blanked titles
- When no backup is choosed, all original
TitleSet-VOBs are now removed
- bugfixes for IFOs with some non-existent maps

[2COOL]

@RB

Just did a quick test run on 0.90. IMO, it's worse! I only checked the following...

Backup
Remove Stops
VTS_01_*.VOB

First of all, I still have output PAL format when I'm inputting NTSC. When checking out my Cell Playback info, I found there's a change in command Nr.

BEFORE: Cell_1: command Nr (0 = no command) 0
AFTER: Cell_1: command Nr (0 = no command) 8

With no Cell command in PGC Command Table, before or after, this causes an abrupt halt in DVD navigation. :eek:

[RB]

I have notified shh about this thread. Maybe he responds here, or why don't you just send him an email. IIRC he's also a registered user here (shh), so you could try PM as well.

[maa]

I have notified shh about this thread
Me too !