DVD2One forum at club.cdfreaks gone?

[2COOL]

:eek: My link to it is invalid now and I was just on it yesterday.:(

[Dre]

CDFreaks probably took it down since DVD2one has a forum on their own website now.

http://www.dvd2one.com/forum/

[2COOL]

I found that out but now, all the valuable posts at the official forum's former site are gone. :(

[MackemX]

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74542

looks like CDFreaks ain't chuffed about the way it happened :p

[Lazza]

Originally posted by MackemX
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74542

looks like CDFreaks ain't chuffed about the way it happened :p
No they are not, despite the (IMHO) very polite replies that staff there have given in that thread. Ah well, I think DVD2one has had it's day anyway... but you never know. :)

[jaagee]

Originally posted by 2COOL
:eek: My link to it is invalid now and I was just on it yesterday.:(

It's not just DVD2One either. Visiting the DVD95Copy forum and they are all in fits over there too. Looks like these two programs were just to good to be true. I own both and don't ever use either because the lack of support. The best thing going today is InstantCopy and DVDShrink but not neccessarily in that order. just my 2 pennies worth:)

jaagee

[Doom9]

you can still discuss the program here. Sometimes it's nice not to have commercial ties, isn't it?

[atreides93]

Heh, oh well..I actually paid for dvd2one...but dvdshrink 2.3 blows it out of the water.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by atreides93
Heh, oh well..I actually paid for dvd2one...but dvdshrink 2.3 blows it out of the water.
and DVDShrink 3.0 is even better than 2.3 :D

[jaagee]

Originally posted by MackemX
and DVDShrink 3.0 is even better than 2.3 :D

@MackemX

I agree and with the improvements from the 2.3 version this program is on the path to being one of the very best ever!:)

[papillon]

I understand that Erwin and Rene were pretty miffed over two threads posted a couple weeks ago, about complaints that they were getting lazy for not updating dvd2one frequently enough, along with posting about, and comparing other software on "their" forum.
The posters cited DvdShrink's quality over their software, and DvdShrink's ability to include some user suggestions along with frequent updates.

Those few threads did indeed get pretty ugly, and someone did suggest that only valid owners of dvd2one should be allowed to post...

And that is exactly now what happened, only valid registered owners of dvd2one are allowed to post on their forum.

All IMO and understandings of coarse......

[MackemX]

Originally posted by papillon
Those few threads did indeed get pretty ugly, and someone did suggest that only valid owners of dvd2one should be allowed to post...

And that is exactly now what happened, only valid registered owners of dvd2one are allowed to post on their forum.

All IMO and understandings of coarse......
sounds like the truth to me as shown HERE (http://www.dvd2one.com/forum/profile.php?mode=register&sid=64e7db70f1a7949d307dee462f1365bf)

I bet every other post will be DVD2One Rules :p but at least you can access them to read before you join

using the freedom of speech hopefully allowed on this board, for me personally I EDIT, I've decided to say nothing

This opinion, is of course subject to change

[Doom9]

well.. at first glance it looks like a standard vbb signup page, just reordered a bit. If you read mine, there's a lot of similarities.
However, even a rule6 violation will not lead to your ISP being informed as I think that it's the job of the copyright holder to enforce copyright law, not mine. VBB (and all other bulletin board software I know about) log every IP, but that data is only available in return for a court order demanding to divulge such data.

Hmm.. I was thinking the board software was vbb but it is in fact phpbb. The template is interesting though.. if I were jelsoft (makers of vbb) I wouldn't particularly like my default board look being cloned.

@papillon: I don't think you can ever rule out comparisons.. I know commercial companies even try to put a no benchmark clause in their EULAs but that doesn't stop people from publishing benchmarks and I'm not sure if such a clause would stand up in a court of law.

[MackemX]

I was just looking at the bold text at the bottom :eek:

PLEASE NOTE : This forum is ONLY for registered users of our products, verification of your email adress against our database will occur!

"this is a low-kal shop, for low-kal people, not for the likes of YOU" :p

[Lazza]

From the tone of that page alone it sounds like their next step is to bring in the Thought Police !! lol :p

[mrbass]

This is pretty much exactly how it is with 321Studios forums (dvdxcopy and dvdxcopy express) mention a competiting product and thread will get locked/deleted, etc. I don't believe you have to own a copy to register on their forum though.

The problem with this is that someone who comes across on the web or newsgroup and say "hey check out dvd2one" will visit their site and see glowing threads throughout their exclusive forum. So in effect if you buy it and aren't satisfied with it then only you can be the one to blame as not having done the fingerwork on the web to see everything that's out there.

Heck..if my standalone dvd players had issues with layer-breaks (which they don't) I'd most likely be using dvd2one instead of dvdshrink.

[spiderman2k1]

I hate to say this. DVD2ONE team was wrong not to even make a post with a link or just saying they moved there forum. Many people hate DVD2ONE for not email them when there's a new version. They do this so there site keep's getting hit's. But you have to give DVD2ONE credit still they were the first transcode to hit the market. I do not know if DVD2ONe came up with the idea of transcoding but they are now feeling the heat from dvdshrink that's free. I do not think any one is buying there software now. Most people that bought. Bought when it first came out. Also I have know idea the programmer of dvdshrink is not selling his software it's great.

This is a wacky world with software today on the internet. We all know what wearz's is pirate software. With some many people going to www.doom9.org and www.dvdrhelp.com people will buy what they read other people use. With the copy protection dvd95copy put it. You have to log on the net to activate the software. you have to do this each time if you format your drive. Most people do not like this. Just like how people did not like Divx pay to rent. I do not know what percentage of user's are useing hack version's of DVD2one but there alot of them. As where dvd95copy ever one that use's it payed for it this also make's for less posting's at doom9 and dvdrhelp.com

If I was a programmer i would not like to have people getting my software for free, and I can see dvd95copy piont but in one way lot of people are not using dvd95copy. People talk about software in store's like compusa bestbuy and computer store's. What i saying I would rather have people getting hacked verion of my software and getting more people talk about it on the net at doom9 and dvdrhelp and at store's at compusa. People that have the hacked software are not going to say if they have a a hacked version but they will tell the other person what they like about it. And it's worth buying. People talked about dvd95copy the same way people talk about MAC's. Dude you have a mac your the first person in 50 mile's that I know that has one. If it' more popular it's just better.

I do not in any way promote wearz and I do pay for my software. I'm talking from the piont of marketing only. It's a very unfar world when it come's to software.

A very good freind of mine is a store manager at COMPUSA and has said software that get's hacked does sell better then software that does not. Best way to addvertise is word of mouth.

I also have a freind that own's a video store, and I ask him do you hate it when people copy your movie's when they rent. And he said no.Then i said why they wont rent it again. He said most people wont rent the same movie for five or ten year's. I rather have people coming in coping movie's they alway's come back for more . There my best renter's. I ask him how do you know if there renting to copy. One person rent LORD OF THE RING and returned it in one hour. My frend said he ripped it LOL.

DVD2ONE is not as bad as DVD95COPY but there getting there. They never made a post at dvdrhelp or doom9 dvdshrink alway's post at doom9. People do not want to go to one software website to read post they want to go to one site and read about other software and read what people think about it.

I did pay for dvd2one but my user ID at dvd2one is not the same as doom9 or dvdrhelp. This way I can speak my mind and they do not have to know who I am.

DVD2ONE EMAIL PEOPLE WHEN A NEW VERSION COME"S OUT

[Gripweed]

I couldn't care less whether the folks at DVD2One email me or not. Actually I prefer them not to. I get enough crap emails every day.
You must lead a very rough life if it pains you so much to spend 2 seconds once in a while to check their website to see if anything new is out. Not to mention that Doom9 and other DVD-R related websites and forums usually show same day announcements of new versions of all the transcoders.
But since they won't cater to YOUR needs you advocate going the warez route. You are one sorry dude.

[spiderman2k1]

"Gripweed" you do not see my piont at all alot of DVD2ONE people are ask to be email when a new version come's out. Not ever want's to look at a website to see if there a update. it's called take care of your customers and it's not that big of a deal to do. And you do not see my piont for a marketing way of what wearz is. If there was no wearz ever peace of software would have a fare chance and ever one would have bought the software. Now with wearz some software does not get talked about that much and has ever hurt sale's. I really believe this is what happen to dvd95copy there has not been a update for five month's. Why Newbies that come to doom9 and dvdrhelp are not getting the post for dvdrhelp and doom9. it's not like he does not have time for to write a new update. Let's say you have hundred thousand people that use DVD2ONE and only half of them payed for the software you still have fifty thousand more people using it and get the world out. This get more people to buy your software. Now let's say DVD95copy has only fifty thousand people and no one using a hackd version. That's half the people using dvd95copy over dvd2one. Now you tell me want software would you like to have the one with all the good copy protection that no one can hack or the one people can hack and talk about after the been using it and telling other people about it get getting more people to buy it.

Wearz is wrong I want to point out and like I said it's a messed up internet world today. Best thing stop all wearz. But I do not see this happening unless there some kind of RIAA for software programmer's.

[Gripweed]

You are correct. I do not see your point. I read the DVD2One forums religiously. I do not see "alot" of people asking for this. Please point out these post to me because it appears that you are the only one that has this special need. There is no reason for the DVD2One folks to have to email out notices to every registered user. There are plenty of sources for this information. You found time to post your long message on both the Doom9 and CDFreaks forums. If you would have used a tiny fraction of the time that it took to compose that message and post it and instead read the news columns on those sites you would have found out that there was a new release of DVD2One.
As for the warez issue. I do not see your point on that either. DVD2One is available for trial. You can try out a limited edition for 14 days. That is more than enough to determine whether you want to purchase it or not. And add to that all the comments from users on the various forums and you can get a good indication that it is a quality product and is deserving of purchase. Suggesting that people should use a warez version to boost sales is ludicrous. The only thing that promoting the use of warez does is create the risk that the author will throw in the towel because he is not being rewarded for his efforts.

[MackemX]

@Gripweed
I get his points if he means them this way

I'd rather get an email than have to check every single day whether an update for a program is out. There is more than just one program on my PC that I am interested in updating and unless you have the time to goto every website to check for updates for each piece of software you have on your PC then emails or options to check for updates when starting are a great help

as for the other issue, if an item is being used by the masses (legally or not because the potential purchaser does not know this) then they will probably go for the one used by the masses due to it's popularity. That has nothing to do with promoting warez

if people come to this site or other popular sites, there aren't that many thread references to DVD2One. In this forum there are 3 in the last month and this thread is one of them and the latest release is another

There will always be 'which is best?' threads etc that will be around, that's if the user doesn't start one themselves, so they will also come across DVDShrink and overall it offers more options and users comments are normally more than pleased with it and the main reason is because it's free. They may also find out how quickly DVDShrink has advanced regarding updates and how DVD2One has been slower. I think it would have to be a BIG difference to justify the £40 price tag of DVD2One for a 'newbie' to purchase it, that's if they can be bothered to do a little research

If I was just starting out I know which program I would 'buy' :D

[spiderman2k1]

"Gripweed" People that used hack software are not going to pay for software even if dvd2one has a 14 day trial. Look at windows most collage kid's have a illegal version of window's and Linux is better and free. Bill Gate's would rather have people use a illegal version of windows then have people go to Linux. Now if you own Microsoft would you like to have ever one pay for window's or just have half the people use window's the one's that payed for window's and ever one else just use Linux?

When I talk to people and they ask me what software I should use I alway's say dvdshrink. One it's free people and it's better then dvd2one. And alot of people are not hardcore DVD burner's. the hardcore people will go to the site every day or two. You must have other software on your PC you use but might not look for update's. Some software will even tell you there a new update to download.

For me I would take Microsoft over LINUX and hold 90% of the market and have people using illegal version of the software. I still control the market. I would not want LINUX moving down my neck. In the next five or ten year's LINUX will be very good veryeasy to use like WINDOWS or MAC OSX.

[int 21h]

I'm not sure where you get your statistics or what access you have to such programs, but Microsoft offers special licensing, to college students in particular, which usually drops the price of Windows 75% or more. Not only that, but at most colleges, if you're of an engineering or computer science BA major, you can join student organizations (for engineers/CS students) that Microsoft donates operating systems and development tools to. So that for the nominal fee of joining ($15-25), you can get Enterprise licenses to things like Windows 2003 Server, legally
Your market share idea is mostly on target with what actually happens in the market, but you're missing some key points. The steps go more like this...
1. Invent Product, Charge enough so that only some people can buy it.
2. Ignore security issues with said product.
3. Improve product, silently watch as piracy spreads, giving you more market share.
4. Pounce on pirates of product, improve security of product with security counter measures. (Online activation, Improved copy protection, etc.)
5. Using law enforcement, prosecute criminally (via co-operation with FBI) and civilly anyone suspected of circumventing your new security measures or aiding anyone in circumventing your protections, so that public circumvention stops.
6. Rake in cash as people only hear about your product (because of its huge market share)

This procedure has been applied to many, many inventions. Microsoft Products, Video games, Satellite and Cable Television... etc.

[spiderman2k1]

"int 21h" you make some good point but what happen's when you finish college and your job place does not want o upgrade window's and LINUX upgrade are free.

Microsoft just lost a 30 million dollar account to LINUX

http://www.suse.com/ Microsft second man in charge Steve Bowmmer went to Germany to try and save the account. He's was unable to save the account.

[digitalman]

Offtopic:
Since I already graduated from college, and don't have the time or money at this moment to continue with my masters or Phd,(my employer is too cheap to pay for continuing education)can someone let me know how I can get a huge student type discount on software. I have no problem paying for an OS or other software, but 200 dollars is kind of steep for something half of the home users get for free. Microsoft never offers a discount on their OS software at retail stores. No rebates. Maybe a free useless Plus edition though. At least Pinnacle offers a huge rebate discount on InstantCopy sometimes. You will never hear "Free after rebate" from Microsoft.

[int 21h]

Originally posted by spiderman2k1
..."int 21h" you make some good point but what happen's when you finish college and your job place does not want o upgrade window's and LINUX upgrade are free...


What happens when I want to play Half-Life 2 and it doesn't play on Linux? What happens when I want to run any of the programs I run now in Windows and Wine won't run them in Linux?

You can often find discounted prices on Windows on Ebay or even from many computer retailers if you buy an OEM copy along with a hardware purchase (i.e. a video card).

[MackemX]

an even cheaper method would be to just buy a screw for a computer case and then you can get Windows OEM

it's hardware isn't it :p

[spiderman2k1]

"int 21h" Yes your right on one point there more software for window's but if I have a company and I want to save money on software with openoffice.org I really do not care if my worker's can not play half life at work or play game at all at work. not that there are no game's for LINUX there is QUake 3 version on LINUX very hard to find now. Linux right now is for business. When Linix move's over to the home no time soon that I see. But it will happen it's just a matter of time. With Many Government office's that will have budget cuts. LINUX is they way to go. Most work's just need to type and do email stuff. Lot of people are not using MS office any more on window's there download openoffice for free and saving a ton of money.

[int 21h]

I work at a state government institution, and I can tell you, we will not be switching to Linux as our primary workstation environment for some time to come, (We do maintain several Linux workstations in portions of the domain, though) simply because Microsoft offers us very attractive deals on their Office and Development products, and when we get bids for hardware replacement, we usually end up getting the OS free (or nearly free) anyways. Not only that but the liability of providing tech support on any *nix operating system is not exceeded by the savings of said operating system (i.e. It would cost us more to support the product than it would to buy Windows and support Windows).

I agree that Linux is a great choice in some instances. Like when someone is new to computers, why not just get them started on Linux instead of Windows? Or in environments where the end-users are very technically oriented.

The great thing about Linux is that its a very grassroots type of movement, which eliminates many different problems and obstacles. The bad thing about grassroot movements is that, since they are primarily spread by word of mouth, numbers in or participating in the movement are generally inflated by perception. Microsoft still has an iron fist where Microsoft always had iron fists in the market (Yes you can argue that Apache usage has gone up! But I would argue that Microsoft never had an established monopoly on WebServices, since the entire period of its introduction (when the internet came out, web standardization) was a very turbulent time). Linux isn't putting a big dent into Microsoft yet. Instead, Linux is slowly but surely driving away nearly all of the proprietary derivatives of Unix (i.e. AIX, SysV, etc.). The very best thing about Linux is how it smashed all of the proprietary Unix crap. Back in the early 90's, the lack of standardization and the bickering among all the *nix geeks was quite ridiculous, now most of that has been dissolved with the Introduction of a fairly standardized, open platform for development.

Anyways, I'm sorry for hijacking :p this thread. Everyone has his own reasons for whatever OS they use, instead of pushing one OS over the other, I'm nearly always of the opinion we should look for ways to collaborate with each other from our preferred OS. That was one thing that really struck me recently with something called 'VideoLan'. I ran it simultaneously on Mac OSX, Windows XP, and a RH9 machine, and it worked flawlessly. That is something that is just 'neat' and example of this collaboration I'd like to see in the future :)

[wangofree]

Wow :scared: you go away for a little while and everything changes...I love DVD2ONE, and have stuck with it because it's simple, does what it's suppose to and I had a bad experience with dvdshrink.

Why all the heat on Erwin and the gang? The world is so caught up in "What have you done for me in the last nanosecond?"

Peace out :D WF

[DenFussell]

It amazes me that a product such as DVD2One can come into being, live up to it's hype, deliver advances that are unbelievably stable and still be villified just because the marketplace demands goods for free.

Has everyone forgotten what happened to the last popular package that was developed by a good-natured, well-intentioned guy?

IFOEdit was a great tool, still is in some cases, but it's stagnant and it most likely won't be reborn because it has been so far outstripped for all except the die-hards that cling to the slow 'high quality' purist methods.

What's going to happen to the shrinksters when the developer decides he's through working for free and gives it all up to get a paying job or decides the novelty has worn off of being the hero for the 'software for free' crowd and decides it's time to charge for his expertise? He'll be castigated by his current supporters!

Oh! By the way! The latest version of DVD2One is awesome!!

[Doom9]

What's going to happen to the shrinksters when the developer decides he's through working for free and gives it all up to get a paying job or decides the novelty has worn off of being the hero for the 'software for free' crowd and decides it's time to charge for his expertise? He'll be castigated by his current supporters!
I don't think the issue is money, it's more about quitting without notice. I wouldn't like it either if for instance dvd2svcd decided to open up his own shop and leave this forum without notice. After all, it was the community here (and let's not forget ddogg's special contribution) that helped dvd2scvd become what it is today.

And if you look at Nero Recode for a sec, compare it with DVDShrink you might be able to guess where the author of DVDShrink earns his money.

As for IfoEdit.. the author is the main developer of dvdxcopy now, but there's a freeware alternative called DVDFab as well ;) But as I said, money isn't the issue. Except for DVDShrink, all one click tools are commercial and that doesn't seem to bother the people who come here to discuss those. I own DVD2One, CloneDVD and Recode myself but haven't been able to make up my mind about quality yet.

[MackemX]

Originally posted by Doom9
I own DVD2One, CloneDVD and Recode myself but haven't been able to make up my mind about quality yet.

can you not afford a copy of DVDShrink after buying those 3? :)

[int 21h]

It amazes me that a company who charges money for their product can still be leagues and leagues behind similar products developed with little or no monetary backing.

Originally posted by DenFussell
It amazes me that a product such as DVD2One can come into being, live up to it's hype, deliver advances that are unbelievably stable and still be villified just because the marketplace demands goods for free.

Has everyone forgotten what happened to the last popular package that was developed by a good-natured, well-intentioned guy?

IFOEdit was a great tool, still is in some cases, but it's stagnant and it most likely won't be reborn because it has been so far outstripped for all except the die-hards that cling to the slow 'high quality' purist methods.

What's going to happen to the shrinksters when the developer decides he's through working for free and gives it all up to get a paying job or decides the novelty has worn off of being the hero for the 'software for free' crowd and decides it's time to charge for his expertise? He'll be castigated by his current supporters!

Oh! By the way! The latest version of DVD2One is awesome!!

[DenFussell]

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It amazes me that a company who charges money for their product can still be leagues and leagues behind similar products developed with little or no monetary backing.
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How can you be 'leagues & leagues behind' when your product does exactly what it claims and does it well?

Following this logic, you shouldn't be charging for a product if it doesn't do everything everyone wants. If you don't like it's advertised features then don't buy it.

It's like complaining about the new car you're test driving because it doesn't have a three point hitch for a back-hoe.

[wangofree]

:cool: :D :) !!! You said it DenFussell.

[int 21h]

You use what you want to use, and I'll use what I want to use (DVDShrink and occassionally the CCE/Ifoupdate method for lower bitrates)

Its obvious my powers have no strength on the DVD2One fanboy club. :cool: :D :)

Cheers.

[MackemX]

just out of curiosity, what can DVD2One do that DVDShrink can't do, apart from remove the layer break?

I can think of a few things that DVDShrink can do that DVD2One can't do and seeing as it's free I know what int 21h is implying

correct me if I'm wrong, but DVDShrink has the most features of any of the tools available when it comes to the one-click backup tools, even if the features may be the best or worst of the bunch

people use whatever suits them best and DVD2One cannot offer as much as some as the other tools but some seem to be satisfied with what it can offer so therefore will be pleased with it

and speed for me ain't the number one priority when making a backup, even if it does save a few user-time nanoseconds

others want more options and therefore use other programs as DVD2One does not offer that feature

[DenFussell]

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just out of curiosity, what can DVD2One do that DVDShrink can't do, apart from remove the layer break?
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That's the whole point. It's not what one can do vs. the other. The whole problem with the constant complaints about D2O is that it does what it claims to do and the people that want it to do more are mystified that they can't shape the product to their mold.

I think one of the reasons D2O got jumped on so hard from the beginning was that it was certainly the first of the new generation of One Clicks and stole a lot of thunder from the 'gurus' frequenting these forae(sp?)

Shrink does some things that D2O doesn't do, so what? 99% of the time D2O does all I want, when it doesn't I double-click a different icon and go another route.

We all gain when there are multiple developers out there striving to fill a need. So why don't we encourage them instead of villifying them when they don't 'toe our line'?

I admire all these developers and encourage them all to continue where they're headed. I admire D2O's guys because they have some backbone and refuse to be dictated to. That makes me feel that maybe they'll be around to counted on when needed down the road.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by DenFussell
[BHow can you be 'leagues & leagues behind' when your product does exactly what it claims and does it well?

Following this logic, you shouldn't be charging for a product if it doesn't do everything everyone wants. If you don't like it's advertised features then don't buy it.
[/B] So what if DVD Shrink claims that it also CAN do what it suppose to do and better than DVD2One? And on top of that, it's free! What would an average person with common sense decide on getting when looking at both? Hmmmm...

I am also a registered DVD2One user. Got it before DVD Shrink came along. At first, I was a kinda leery on DVD Shrink as I thought it was a small time player with little features. But it has evolved into a more powerful tool than people expected. It even has a previewing feature. I wish they could include the audio too though.

Anyways, my question is, if DVD Shrink came first and it was free, would you try out DVD2One if that wasn't? The reason DVD2one has a lot of hardcore users is because it came out first and any transcoders that came out next were constantly being compared to DVD2One. It seems to me that the roles have switched around. DVD Shrink came out with a joining and clipping Titles feature first before DVD2One 1.3.0 and that's a fact.



My 2cents

[MackemX]

some good points you mention there 2COOL

which tool also looks the most promising even if it did mean you had to pay for it in the future?

some quotes

one man's meat is another man's poison

one man's garbage is another man's art

to each his own