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Gillian_Seed
30th August 2003, 19:40
Hi,

I'm currently having a problem backing up The Simpsons Season 3 NTSC boxset. I've backed up 100's of movies and episodic disc sets [including prior Simpsons dvd boxsets], and this one has me stumped. The decrypted iso's of each original disc will not play back on any of my PC dvd playback software. The menus work, but when I try to play an actual episode, I get the Fox 'Disc will not play in this region' splash screen.

Nevertheless, I used ifoedit to split disc 1 into two discs [vobextras--rip program chains method]. Setting it to region free did not help. I even burned a copy for the heck of it to see if it would play in a standard dvd player, and that didn't work either.

I'm only posting this because I've never run into something like this, and suspect it's definitely a new thing Fox is doing to thier dvd's. If anybody has any information for me that might help, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.

2COOL
30th August 2003, 20:43
Hmmm...I've been helping alot of first time posters this week. Anyways, though you registered in June, I still would like to traditionally and formally say...

...Welcome to the Forum! :D

Originally posted by Gillian_Seed
The decrypted iso's of each original disc will not play back on any of my PC dvd playback software. The menus work, but when I try to play an actual episode, I get the Fox 'Disc will not play in this region' splash screen.
I just need to inquire more on how you go about doing your backups.

How do you rip your DVD files?
Does it play region free immediately after ripping with, say, DVD Decrypter?
Are you doing any edits to your IFOs?
What software player are you using to play your "decrypted iso"?

Gillian_Seed
30th August 2003, 21:08
Here's the method I've been using for quite a long time now, and it's rarely failed.

1. Decrypt orignal dvd to .iso form using DvdDecrypter
[at this point the Simpsons season 3 discs won't play correctly. Say, I mount the decrypted iso file to an image mounting program and play it in dvd software. The simpsons disc will play through the fbi warning menus and start up with the root menu. I'll go to the episode menu, tell it to play an episode, and all I get is the FoX splash screen-- 'This dvd is not formatted for this region.' Intersting though... the extra features DO play. I watched the Butterfinger commercials without a hitch. It was just when I wanted to watch an episode that this 'region problem' happened. This is why I think this is a new protection Fox is implementing into thier dvd authoring process to stop those who would like to make backup discs of thier originals.]
2. Mount the decrypted dvd iso and smartrip the .iso into VOB form
3. Edit the dvd with ifoedit using the VOBextras method where you keep the program chains you want for each episodic disc
4. Get VTS sectors for Videots.ifo and your respective VTS that had the program chain ripped from it, and region free the dvd.
5. Use image tool to create an image.
6. Mount the image for testing in PC dvd playback software [WinDvd, Cyberlink Powerdvd, etc]
7. Burn with Prassi Primo dvd.

Now, the problem is obviously not the decrypting method, as the decrypted iso was fine when I played back the Butterfinger commercials on the dvd. It was just the episodes that were 'locked' somehow. I have no idea what they did, but everything I've tried has been to no avail.

And, like I said, this has worked for me on all sorts of program chain based episodic dvds, even one of Fox's latest dvd boxsets, Futurama Season 2 NTSC Boxset. So I have no idea what's going on... [I]something is definitely different though...

Oh, and just for kicks, I went through the same process a second time and DIDN'T region free the dvd, just to see if that would do anything different... same results, the dvd works fine menu-wise, but won't play any of the episodes, just the extra features.

And yes, the episodes are there. As, I've watched ifoedit processing them, and validated their existence just by the file size of the video_ts folder.

:: Completely and utterly stumped ::

2COOL
30th August 2003, 21:14
I like the Simpsons and would like to get the sets but I'm more of a Futurama fan. Anyways, how about using DVD Decrypter in File Mode, instead of ISO, and playing your DVD through IFOedit.

Gillian_Seed
30th August 2003, 21:21
Just tried your suggested method, 2Cool. I got the same results. -- 20th Century Fox Splash Screen "Not edited for this region"

This has got to be the weirdest thing I've encountered....Full playback of extras, and no playback of the actual episodes. Incredibly strange. Well, not really, it's just proof that there was intended purpose in the original authoring to make it function this way when a user tries to play actual episode content from decrypted files.

2COOL
30th August 2003, 21:30
Check your PM.;)

Gillian_Seed
30th August 2003, 22:02
Oh, and one last thing - This problem affects all the decrypted dvd's from the Season 3 NTSC boxset. Tis' all.

2COOL
31st August 2003, 01:39
Check your PM.

2COOL
31st August 2003, 02:26
There are 6 RCE checking Pre Commands that exist on the original DISK 1. DVD Decrypter is supposed to correct these, during rip, to the new value below. Ensure that they are not showing the OLD commands. Hexedit them if they are different.

Here’s the PGC Command Table locations. I have edit this post to add the other info for the other 3 disks.
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DISK 1

VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_5
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_2
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_3
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_4
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_5
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_6
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DISK 2

VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_11
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_2
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_3
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_4
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_5
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_6
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DISK 3

VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_5
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_2
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_3
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_4
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_5
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_6
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DISK 4

VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_13
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_2
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_3
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_4
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_5
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_6
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OLD > 1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov SPreg<player region code>...[61 00 00 00 00 94 00 00]
NEW > 1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<1>................[71 00 00 00 00 01 00 00]

Gillian_Seed
31st August 2003, 02:39
Some more interesting stuff:

Upon further inspection, I've found that a few episodes do play. Here's how it works out--

Disc 1
Ep1-Lockout
Ep2-Lockout
Ep3-Lockout
Ep4-Lockout
Ep5-Lockout
Ep6-Lockout

Disc 2
Ep1-Lockout
Ep2-Plays
Ep3-Plays
Ep4-Lockout
Ep5-Lockout
Ep6-Lockout

Disc3
Ep1-Plays
Ep2-Plays
Ep3-Plays
Ep4-Plays
Ep5-Plays
Ep6-Plays

Note-This is weird. This iso was decrypted IDENTICALLY. BUT, it's the only dvd in the series with a different name 'SIMPSONS_S3_D3' as opposed to the other ones 'SIMPSONSS3D2'...

Disc 4
Ep1-Lockout
Ep2-Lockout
Ep3-Lockout
Ep4-Lockout
Ep5-Plays
Ep6-Plays

I ripped all these with Dvd Decrypter 3.1.6. Just to be safe, I went back to re-rip Disc 1 with 3.1.4, and the results were the same, complete lockout on Disc 1. I can only figure that I'd get the same results on all the discs if I used 3.1.4 to re-decrypt them again.

2COOL
31st August 2003, 03:04
Originally posted by Gillian_Seed
Note-This is weird. This iso was decrypted IDENTICALLY. BUT, it's the only dvd in the series with a different name 'SIMPSONS_S3_D3' as opposed to the other ones 'SIMPSONSS3D2'...

I think we stumbled unto something. I have...

DISK 1: SIMPSONS_S3_D1
DISK 2: SIMPSONSS3D2
DISK 3: SIMPSONS_S3_D3
DISK 4: SIMPSONSS3D4

This is what I have. So maybe having the SIMPSONS_S3_D# has no problems. I just did Disk 1 with no problems. I'll try to do DISK 2 or 4 next.

If DISK 2 will give me problems, then I was right in PM on there may possibly be different DVDs out on the volumes.

Edit - Another theory proven wrong.:(

2COOL
31st August 2003, 03:12
How about doing this edit on your problem volumes.

Go to VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_5 / PGC Command Table and change your Pre Command #5.
Right click and select “Edit Command”. Select “7” for your new PGC Nr.

OLD > 5.Pre Command (JumpSS VMGM) Jump to VMG PGC: 6.................[30 06 00 06 00 c0 00 00]
NEW > 5.Pre Command (JumpSS VMGM) Jump to VMG PGC: 7zx................[30 06 00 07 00 c0 00 00]

This should bypass your wrong region warning.

Gillian_Seed
31st August 2003, 03:19
Just tried your idea 2Cool. It did not work. The dvd starts up fine. I just get the 'Not for your Region' splash screen when I select the episode to start from the episode's respective menu. And like I said.. it's weird, because the Dvd Extras Section with the butterfinger commercials work fine. Selective little bugger...

Gillian_Seed
31st August 2003, 03:36
Okay, this is interesting.

Here's how my Disc 2 played:

Disc 2
Ep1-Lockout
Ep2-Plays
Ep3-Plays
Ep4-Lockout
Ep5-Lockout
Ep6-Lockout

I re-examined -

VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_2
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_3
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_4
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_5
VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_6

Here's the results:

VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1
1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<64>................[71 00 00 00 00 40 00 00]

VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_2
1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<1>................[71 00 00 00 00 01 00 00]

VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_3
1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<1>................[71 00 00 00 00 01 00 00]

VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_4
1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<64>................[71 00 00 00 00 40 00 00]

VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_5
1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<64>................[71 00 00 00 00 40 00 00]

VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_6
1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<64>................[71 00 00 00 00 40 00 00]


See how that corresponds to the playback I was getting on Disc 2?!!!
And I never edited those, this is the result of a simple decrypt with dvddecrypter.
What's strange is that the episodes play just fine off the original. Just not the decrypted version.

2COOL
31st August 2003, 04:50
The Simpsons, 3rd Season (Region 1) Volumes 1 to 4 Fix
Courtesy of 2C:cool::cool:L

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August 31, 2003: Guide has been updated. See below.
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I'd like to thank Gillian_Seed :D for supplying me with much valuable information on this matter.

I used IFOedit 0.95 in this guide.

Here’s the original Pre Command #1, copied off the disks, showing General Parameter Register 0 (GPReg<0>) being set the player’s region code. These would be all found in your four volumes, residing in the PGC Command Tables of their VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1 to 6.

OLD > 1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov SPreg<player region code>...[61 00 00 00 00 94 00 00]

If decrypting turned out perfectly, you supposed to have this Pre Command #1 as below. You’re not supposed to have anything else. This really need it to be like that but somehow, there had been some voodoo magic going on in the decryption process.

NEW > 1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<1>................[71 00 00 00 00 01 00 00]

Here’s the breakdown on your first 5 Pre Commands on a working Title found in the above VTS_PGC_#s. They’re pretty the much in all four volumes. I'm going to use Volume 1 as an example.

1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<1>.................................[71 00 00 00 00 01 00 00]
2.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> and (set-val)<255>...............................[79 00 00 00 00 ff 00 00]
3.Pre Command Set GPreg<1> mov (set-val)<1>.................................[71 00 00 01 00 01 00 00]
4.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == GPreg<1> then (JumpSS VMGM) Jump to VMG PGC: 7 [30 26 00 07 00 c0 00 01]
5.Pre Command (JumpSS VMGM) Jump to VMG PGC: 6..............................[30 06 00 06 00 c0 00 00]

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1.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<1>


General Parameter Register or GPreg<0> is assigned a value of “1”.
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2.Pre Command Set GPreg<0> and (set-val)<255>


There’s a logical “and” present. What this does is performs a BitWise Product (and) between the first"Gpreg<0>" and the second "<255>" values and stores the result in the target GPreg, which will be GPReg<0>. So in this command, GPReg<0> holds a value of “1”. You can use your Windows scientific calculator to manually figure this out.
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3.Pre Command Set GPreg<1> mov (set-val)<1>


GPreg<1> is assigned a value of “1”.
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4.Pre Command If GPreg<0> == GPreg<1> then (JumpSS VMGM) Jump to VMG PGC: 7


If GPreg<0> is equal(==) to GPreg<1> is true, then jump. 1 is equal to 1 so this command is true according to Pre Command #s 1 and 3. If not, the next command is tested for trueness.
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5.Pre Command (JumpSS VMGM) Jump to VMG PGC: 6


If Pre Command #4 wasn’t true then navigation will jump to your VMG PGC 6, which is located in a PGC-Menu in your VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT. By the way, this PGC-Menu holds the commands to execute your “wrong region” warning to pop up. DOH!
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Bottom line: We need for Pre Command #1 to always have a value of “1” so that Pre Command #4 will always be true. If not, then you know what pops up.;)

******
UPDATE
******
Here’s your options.

If you haven’t ripped your DVD yet, go to Step 1.
If your files have been previously ripped with RCE Protection removal checked, go to Step 6.
If you want to manually hexedit your Pre Commands, go to Step 8.
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1. Ripping in File Mode

Choose your weapon. :)

SmartRipper: Click on Files Buttons and check “all” button.
DVD Decrypter: Go up on click on Mode, and select “File”.
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2. Turning Off Your Ripper’s RCE Protection Removal

SmartRipper: Click on “Settings Button”. In your Files/Backup tab, uncheck Region Free (patch “Video_ts”) option.
DVD Decrypter: Click on Tools / Settings. In File Mode tab, uncheck Remove IFO/BUP RCE Protection.
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3. Select your Target Destination and start ripping.
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Note: If you’re done with ripping your Simpsons DVDs, ensure that you go back and have your RCE Protection Removal options checked. Just a reminder.;)
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4. Region Free

There are only two IFOs in all your DVDs that contain RCE Protection, VIDEO_TS.IFO and VTS_02_0.IFO.

Open up your VIDEO_TS.IFO with IFOedit and click on “Region free” button. Click Yes to confirm removal and four following OKs. Save your IFO and BUP.

Get VTS Sectors and click on VTS_02_0.IFO. Again, click “Region free” and press OK. Save your IFO and BUP.

If you want to check if RCE checking commands have been changed, select your VIDEO_TS.IFO or VTS_02_0.IFO, and click on “Region free” again, you should have a “No RCE checking found in this IFO” message.
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5. Go to Step 12.
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6. Since your files are already on your harddrive, copy just these non-encrypted files off your original DVD to your ripped folder to replace the ones that had been done previously with RCE Protection removed.

VIDEO_TS.IFO
VIDEO_TS.BUP
VTS_02_0.IFO
VTS_02_0.BUP
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7. Perform Steps 4 and 5.
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8. As a good habit and prior to any editing, save your IFOs and BUPs to another folder. Just in case you mess up.
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9. Using IFOEdit, if you’re working on...

... Volume 1, go to VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_5/ PGC Command Table
... Volume 2, go to VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_11 / PGC Command Table
... Volume 3, go to VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_1 / PGC Command Table
... Volume 4, go to VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMGM_PGCI_UT / PGC-Menu_13/ PGC Command Table
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10. HexEditing in IFOedit

Double left click on Pre Command to get the HexEdit Module window. Click your cursor in window and type in the following new hex value.

OLD > 1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<#>................[71 00 00 00 00 ## 00 00]
NEW > 1.Pre Command...Set GPreg<0> mov (set-val)<1>................[71 00 00 00 00 01 00 00]

The screen never refreshes to show you your changes so here's a personal trick I do to refresh the screen. Uncheck and check the “Show Reserve Values” checkbox located bottom left of IFOedit then scroll down to view changes.

Save your VIDEO_TS.IFO and BUP, if you were working on it, when you’re done.
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11. Now,go to VTS_02_0.IFO / VTS_PGCITI / VTS_PGC_1 / PGC Command Table. Repeat Step 10. Also, repeat Step 10 with VTS_PGC_2 to VTS_PGC_6. These 6 PGCs are your 6 Title episodes on the volume you are working on. When you’re done editing all 6 VTS_PGCs, save your VTS_02_0.IFO and BUP and jump to Step 12.
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12. That’s it. Test your DVD files. Your episodes should now play.
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Gillian_Seed
31st August 2003, 05:01
Props to 2Cool.

2COOL
31st August 2003, 05:50
I wonder how many people had said "DOH!" after seeing the infamous wrong region format screen over and over? :p :p

2COOL
31st August 2003, 22:21
Guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=365490#post365490) has been updated (August 31, 2003).

snidely
6th September 2003, 20:33
Excellent work, 2cool! It worked like a charm, just like you said. :)

2COOL
7th September 2003, 00:15
You will be able to decrypt and rip The Simpsons 3rd Season Region 1 with upcoming DVD Decrypter 3.1.7.0. http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=368589#post368589

MackemX
17th September 2003, 01:18
cheers 2COOL :cool:, good work

I'm onto this series just now and even though I'd read this thread previously I've still come across the glitch as I've already ripped but instantly knew where to get the fix :D

2COOL
17th September 2003, 03:14
@MackemX

No problemo...just play your demo! :D

wy125
26th September 2003, 18:39
I have been struggling for the past 3 days trying to figure out what was going on with my simpsons backups. Thanks 2cool, your guide is great. So is there something up with dvddecrypter or something? I had trouble with some of my X-Files Dvds so maybe it's something to do with how Fox does things.

Thanks Again!

2COOL
26th September 2003, 20:35
Originally posted by wy125
I have been struggling for the past 3 days trying to figure out what was going on with my simpsons backups. Thanks 2cool, your guide is great. So is there something up with dvddecrypter or something? I had trouble with some of my X-Files Dvds so maybe it's something to do with how Fox does things.

Thanks Again! It has been brought up in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60400&highlight=simpsons) and LIGHTNING UK!
, DVD Decrypter's author, has made a comment on it. Still waiting on new version release of 3.1.7.0.