TV --> SVCD, no fullscreen?

[sh03z]

Ok here's exactly what I'm doing....
Ulead Video Studio -> Avi (with sound and video)
Avi -> Virtual Dub
Virtual Dub -> frameserve (with resolution 480x480, 354x480 none work full screen for me)
frameserve -> CCE SP 2.66
CCE SP 2.66 -> mpeg2 (no audio)
save wav with virtual dub, convert to 44.1 mp2 with headache
Then tMPEG to multiplex audio and video to mpeg file

now....

Problem is, the picture is more wide than it is high, and It's a movie of me playing guitar and I look like a monkey in the picture...
What's going on here?
I've battled with this problem for about 2 weeks now =*(

Any input is appreciated =D

peace

[wmansir]

Did you accidently set the AR to 16:9 in CCE?

(oh and it shoud be 352x480, not 354)

EDIT:

It could also be that your are, in fact, a monkey.

[sh03z]

haha

[sh03z]

hmm...it still is too wide and not tall enough.....
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EDiT
I did a little bit of reading (here) and I found out that the reason is that my height is actually too big....because
( 480 * 4 )/ 3 = 640
giving me a width of 640 and height of 480 (640x480)

someone said use 400x300 I think I'll just do that...
because then my DAR would be:
400x(533+1/3)

Now my only question now is, will that work with all stand alone DVD players?


thanks!
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[Kedirekin]

I don't think 400x300 will work on a DVD Player, or at least not on all DVD players. 400x300 is not one of the supported resolutions in the DVD spec. Incidentally, I don't think 480x480 is in the spec either (unless you are creating an SVCD - 480x480 is in the SVCD spec, just not in the DVD spec).

Also incidentally, I believe 352x480 is in the DVD spec (and in the SVCD spec).

I wonder if, in your original problem, you're comparing apples and oranges. Aspect ratios are, for me, one of the most confusing things to understand. Basically you have to understand that the image will display differently depending on how you view it.

If you view the raw MPEG in a media player, or in a utility like VirtualDub, you'll see the raw resolution, and the image will have the wrong aspect (or to put it another way, you'll see it at 1:1 AR, which is another way of saying it's the wrong aspect).

However, if you author it and view it in a compliant player, the player will scale it to the correct aspect. For example, if you author a 352x480 MPG onto a DVD and play it back with WinDVD, WinDVD might scale the image to 640x480 (or 1024x768, or 400x300 - depends how you size the window) giving you the correct aspect ratio of 4:3.

The same is true of stand-alone players; they will scale things accordingly. If you think about it, they have to because 720x480 (or 720x576 for PAL, the resolutions used on almost all DVDs) is neither 4:3 nor 16:9.

If you want to see what the final AR will look like, view your MPG in VirtualDub, use a resize filter to resize to something like 400x300 (regardless of the source resolution), and view your video in the output window.

[sh03z]

ok,
thanks for the input

I can plug the mpeg into another program to test it out, although no matter what i try i can't get it fullscreen
I've done every aspect ratio i know.....

can someone just tell me the right one to do?

thanks guys, i really appreciate it

peace

[sh03z]

I AM VERY FRUSTRATED!!!!!!!!!!
I CANNOT FIGURE THIS THING OUT!!!!!
PLEASE, SOMEBODY JUST TELL ME WHAT TO DO TO RIP A FULLSCREEN DVD
TO A FULLSCREEN SVCD!!!!

[Kedirekin]

Um, calm down. All caps is yelling - please don't yell.

A full screen DVD is 720x480 with 4:3 AR.

A full screen SVCD is 480x480 with 4:3 AR.

If you use DVD2SVCD, it should automatically recognize that the DVD is 4:3 AR and do everything for you.

[sh03z]

ok, sorry about that, i won't do the yelling thing again

I think i might of tried that, but i'll try it again...

[Zhnujm]

Make sure you have not selected "DVD compliant" in CCE otherwise cce adds black bars to the left and right to all resolutions below 720xXXX...

[sh03z]

Ok...anyone know of a step by step way using CCE (SP) v 2.66 to encode a full screen SVCD ??

I mean, this is like really important for sh03z here ;-)

any help would be GREATLY appreciated

thx do0ds

peace

PS Note to Doom9:
Ya, you might not believe it, but I'm purty smart...If i can't figure out how to make the movie full screen, maybe others can't either???
I'll cut you a deal (more in favor for me, but atleast it's both ways)
I'll write a big long tutorial on this problem if someone can help me out...
I'm out peace

[sh03z]

sup!

[RB]

Use DVD2SVCD with my AutoFitCD plugin (see signature). This will ensure that your video gets resized properly.

[Kedirekin]

The step by step process for making an SVCD is pretty involved. There are lots of steps, lots of tools, and lots of oppotunities for error.

I really, strongly recommend DVD2SVCD unless you have a compelling reason not to use it. Even when I needed to author outside of DVD2SVCD (to put two distinct MPGs on one CD, for example), I still used DVD2SVCD to do a lot of the work.

Beyond that, when you get down to brass tacks, all SVCDs are full screen (though sometimes letterboxed), so I think we're all a little confused.

What do you mean when you say full screen? Can you describe it differently?

[sh03z]

well,
fullscreen for me is probably different than fullscreen for you
when I watch a video tape it's full screen on my square TV set...
when I rip it to mpeg2, then burn it to a SVCD, it's not full screen.
There are boxes on the top on bottom.

at first, i believed all you had to do was a quick resize in virtual dub, and frameserve to CCE SP...then i realized after reading about 50 posts that you have to use AVIsynth to do a whole assortment of things, such as resizing both the picture and the little black boxes.

so, I tried setting up a quick AVIsynth file, it was 1.avs...
What I did was copy and pasted the code I got from RB's plugin for DVD2SVCD, which was this:

# -= AviSynth script by FitCD v1.1.2 =-
BicubicResize(448,412,0,0.6,2,0,714,480)
AddBorders(16,32,16,36)

Then I plugged this into FitCD, and continued on to make my own avs file, then opened it first with virtual dub, then with CCE SP hoping it would somehow work...which it didn't...

So I now believe that ripping an SVCD in widescreen is easy, and a square picture makes things about 200% harder...being that you can't just frameserve with virtual dub then open with CCE SP and make your mpeg.

So my final thing I want to be able to do is to learn how this stuff really works. I'm the kind of guy who wants to know the way things work...

Also, I will read the full DVD2SVCD faq head to tail, plus read deeper into the posts for DVD2SVCD and see if I come up with an answer...atleast I know now the limitations of virtual dub, as it can't really frameserve as well as avisynth, or am i wrong?