DVDShrink 3.0b5 removed subs

[Hunter]

Hello,

First of all great program!

But I have one question. I have searched the board but didn't find the definitive answer so here is my "problem":

I want to backup the whole DVD. To downsize it I remove unneeded subs and audio streams.

Everthing backs up great, but when I put the resulting DVD-R in my player I can still select the removed streams (just no audio and subs). Shouldn't they be removed by DVDShrink.

Is this by design (DVD/Menu structure?) or is it a bug?

Thanx
Huntah

[Kedirekin]

This is just the nature of the beast. It's necessary to keep everything working.

For example, let's say you had three subtitle streams, and you 'removed' the second one. Now you insert your DVD into your player, go to the subtitles menu, and select the third set of subtitles. In order for the DVD to work right, the third subtitles have to be there, and they have to be third. That means that the second subtitles have to be there too, even though all the subpictures have been removed from the stream.

The same is true for audio.

[Hunter]

I thought so..

but it never hurts to ask..

The same then applies to Re-Author mode, where you cannot add menus.

That is way there are Still pictures in compression level :)


OK thanx for the swift reply.

Hunter

[2COOL]

Originally posted by Hunter
Everthing backs up great, but when I put the resulting DVD-R in my player I can still select the removed streams (just no audio and subs). Shouldn't they be removed by DVDShrink.Here's a workaround guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60444) to fix that.

[JFerguson]

I actually don't mind that I can still select the removed content. It's like a reminder to myself that "Hey, I must've stripped that...". :)

[2COOL]

To me, it was like a nagging reminder as in "DOH! I better fix that!" :D

[JFerguson]

Originally posted by 2COOL
To me, it was like a nagging reminder as in "DOH! I better fix that!" :D

I don't doubt that for a minute!!! ;)

[Hunter]

Nice guide!

I will try it ASAP!

Thanx for all your help and research work!

Huntah

[Uwe]

I also don't understand why DVDShrink 3.0b5 does not remove the entries of stripped audio or subtitle streams completely - in should be easy. IfoEdit 0.95 does it, so maybe some small corrections in DVDShrink could lead to the same result. The workaround posted above is nice, but very "technical" - you have to get your fingers dirty. I used a different "mouse-click" way to fix this problem for subtitles - most probably it will work for audio tracks as well.
The task: My DVD has 20 subtitles (No.1-No.20). I want to keep No.5 and No.15, and *completely* remove all the others, plus shrink the video to fit on one DVD-R. Step 1: I use DVDShrink in the usual way. The problem: When I watch the DVD produced this way on my standalone player, and I want to switch from "no subtitles displayed" to No.5, I have to press the "subtitle" button on the remote control 5 times, and then again 10 times to see No.15. The workaround: I use the output of DVDShrink as a new input for a second stripping step with IfoEdit 0.95. In "VOB Extras", I just uncheck the same subtitle streams that I already physically (i.e. in file size) removed with DVDShrink, and run the stripping again. The result: the output VOB's will have exactly the same size as the input VOB's, but now the unwanted subtitles are *completely* removed, and the remaining subtitles are *renumbered*: old "No.5" to new "No.1", and old "No.15" to new "No.2". So when I now press the "subtitle" button on the remote control once, I see the first subtitles, and once again, I see the second. This double procedure did not cause any problems, except for the additional time consumption.
If you *only* want to remove the streams, of course you could directly use IfoEdit. However, the DVDShrink is so terribly comfortable (especially due to the size display bar and the shrinking-by-percents), that you will need it anyway at least to estimate what to remove and what to shrink. So if the author of DVDShrink should read this, then I suggest to transfer this capability fromm IfoEdit to DVDShrink - the benefit would be worth the effort.

[2COOL]

Welcome to the Forum!

Originally posted by Uwe
The workaround posted above is nice, but very "technical" - you have to get your fingers dirty. I used a different "mouse-click" way to fix this problem for subtitles - most probably it will work for audio tracks as well. It is said there are many ways to get from point A to point B. I try to put out guides on techniques that haven't been done or haven't been documented so that people who come here to the forums can at least find an answer to their problem. There are times I use to write "do this" but some people with inquiring minds also wanted to know the reasons behind the fix. There are alot of people here who are not technical but if I can somehow get a newbie to understand then I have achieve what I wanted to do. To help others who, in turn, will help others too. This is what makes this community so great.

The task: My DVD has 20 subtitles (No.1-No.20). I want to keep No.5 and No.15, and *completely* remove all the others, plus shrink the video to fit on one DVD-R. Step 1: I use DVDShrink in the usual way. The problem: When I watch the DVD produced this way on my standalone player, and I want to switch from "no subtitles displayed" to No.5, I have to press the "subtitle" button on the remote control 5 times, and then again 10 times to see No.15. The workaround: I use the output of DVDShrink as a new input for a second stripping step with IfoEdit 0.95. In "VOB Extras", I just uncheck the same subtitle streams that I already physically (i.e. in file size) removed with DVDShrink, and run the stripping again. The result: the output VOB's will have exactly the same size as the input VOB's, but now the unwanted subtitles are *completely* removed, and the remaining subtitles are *renumbered*: old "No.5" to new "No.1", and old "No.15" to new "No.2". So when I now press the "subtitle" button on the remote control once, I see the first subtitles, and once again, I see the second. This double procedure did not cause any problems, except for the additional time consumption. Using the remote of your player would always work if you have no menus present (movie only). Unless your audio/subtitle changing PUOPs is checked then you obviously who get to use your remote in toggling streams. ;) But if a audio/subtitle menu is present, you may find that you will not get the streams you desired. The commands in the menu buttons or the PGC Command Tables dictate what supposed to be shown. As a good habit, you need to test out your movie thoroughly before finally burning it to your DVDR. This cuts down on the coaster collection. ;)

[Uwe]

Hi 2Cool,
There is no doubt that there are plenty of ways to reach the same result, so I just wanted to show another way, without discarding any suggestions of others in the community!!!
After reading your reply, I just want to add that the nice thing about the IfoEdit way is that even for DVD's with subtitle menus, the selection of a subtitle in the *menu* will actually select the correct subtitle stream: if I removed e.g. all subtitles except No.5 "English" and No.15 "German", then selecting "English" in the menu will display the English subtitles, and selecting "German" will display the German ones. Selection of any other subtitle language in the menu will display either "English" or "German", possibly according to a rule, but I didn't analyze that rule exactly. It seems that IfoEdit is able to apply the renumbering not only to the streams themselves that are accessable by direct toggling, but also to the link between the screen menu selections and the strams. So I still think that it would be relatively easy to implement this ability of IfoEdit into DVDShrink, providing great benefit for the final result, because a task that has already been solved in one program, has been proved to be solveable.

[2COOL]

@Uwe

Originally posted by Uwe
...if I removed e.g. all subtitles except No.5 "English" and No.15 "German", then selecting "English" in the menu will display the English subtitles, and selecting "German" will display the German ones. If you were stripping subtitles in IFOedit, your end results would end up like this.

SubPicture 1: English (2-bit rle ) (ID: 0x24)
SubPicture 2: Deutsch (2-bit rle ) (ID: 0x2e)

Selection of any other subtitle language in the menu will display either "English" or "German", possibly according to a rule, but I didn't analyze that rule exactly. Any subtitle menu selection that would try to display a non-existent subpicture (Sub-picture 3 and on) now will result in our default subpicture displaying.

If I selected my English subtitle, previously SubPicture 5, I would see my English subtitles displaying. It's looking for Sub 5 but is not there anymore so Sub 1 displays.

Again, if I selected my Deutsch subtitle, previously SubPicture 15, I would see my English subtitles displaying. It's looking for Sub 15 but is not there anymore so Sub 1 displays.

The way to get my Deutsch SubPicture to display is to select the subpicture's language button that was originally our SubPicture 2 before the strip. Say French was originally Sub 2 so if I select French Subtitles, I'll see my Deutsch subs.

It seems that IfoEdit is able to apply the renumbering...IFOedit will renumber the kept subs (normal operation)but will not autofix the commands in the buttons and commands in the PGC Command Table.

...not only to the streams themselves that are accessable by direct toggling,... Yes it will if your toggling your subs using your subtitle button on your remote.

...but also to the link between the screen menu selections and the strams. No, it doesn't, especially when stripping non consecutive streams.