Re-encode menu with CCE, is there a easy way ?

[Prysme]

Hi all,

First, i want to thank all of you for you great work and participation on doom9 forum, i read many and many thread/guide here, and i always find a answer to my question without ask for it :)

Concerning my question, probably you will answer me to use dvdShrink, recode, IC or so on ... to compress my menu before backup it with cce/ifoedit, but as i like to make good job, i wonder how to compress my (animated) menu with cce.

Actually here is my backup step.
- rip dvddecrypter
- DVD2DVDr
- ifoupdate
- Ifoedit (clean dvd, strip bonus, mod the first play)

And a special thank you to DvdDecrypter, DVD2DVDr, DVDShrink, IfoUpdate and IfoEdit authors.

Tks for your reply.

Prysme

[thirty6hex]

Unless you're trying to shoehorn a lot of DVD onto a little disk, the amount of space used by menus isn't that great, typically.

But...

If you *did* want to reencode them, it would be easier to just pull the whole menu VOB set m2v with VOBedit, CCE it down to size, and use the remux m2v feature of VOBedit to slap it back in.

You *could* take out only the menu that you want from ID to ID, re-encode it, and then try to mangle everything back together, but you'd still have to remux the whole thing eventually to get the pack timing right. (Unless someone has a quicker way to do the ID to ID re-encode thing)

Anyhow, its worth a shot if you *really really* want to squeeze the DVD.

[influenza]

isn't there a tool that can compress menus using CCE? Domenu4u or so?
I can't remember the name.

You can also use dvdshrink/instancopy etc to just compress the menu.

[Prysme]

If you *did* want to reencode them, it would be easier to just pull the whole menu VOB set m2v with VOBedit, CCE it down to size, and use the remux m2v feature of VOBedit to slap it back in

You are sure that we can only demux m2v menu and encode it with cce ? there is problem with vob id after ?

Influenza, DoCCE4U did it i guess, but i don't like it :) too many step to configure, and i cannot make it working.

[influenza]

No nopt docce4u, but I can't remember the name. I've tried remuxing a reencoded m2v once in vobedit, but that was nog a very big success to use an understatement.

Is the menu that big to go through all these troubles?

[Prysme]

No, not really bigger, i can afford to leave it as it is. Generally between 1 Mo up to 100 Mo, but as far I remember star war ep 1 menu was standing like 200 Mo so for this kind of menu cce would be nice.

[influenza]

I've heard stories of menus up to 1 GB, never seen one, but that would be annoying and a waste of time.

Anyway I've found the application I was talking about. Read about it here : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54843&highlight=do+menu

Never used it myself, but maybe it's helpfull.

[thirty6hex]

Either use software that MPEG compresses a whole VOB (since the menus will only be one vob usually)

or

rip it with VOBedit, CCE it, and remux it.

It's simple and doesn't try to mangle the whole world

[influenza]

I see this tool also uses VOBEDIT so it will probably automate the process you do manually now.

Like I said I only tried using VOBEDIT once to remux a cce stream into a menu. So not much reference here. If done correctly it will probably work fine.

[thirty6hex]

And vice-versa I have used very few of the combined packages to re-encode. There's a couple reasons for that, number one I work as an Author, so I'm used to seeing the output of a DigiBeta and AES audio. Compared to SVCD, VCD, or low rate MP2-VBR this is primo stuff.

Most of what I have had to deal with is the tech of DVD internals, not recompression.

YMMV, but given my options, I'll stay as close to the bitstream as possible such that re-authoring of this sort changes only that which I want changed without structurally changing anything that I don't know about.

In my opinion its the difference between Linux and Mac OS9: one has an interface to the os from a textual point of view first which lets you do anything if you ask the right question, the other tries to do everyting in one click and usually ends up giving you only part of what you wanted with a lot that you didn't.

like I said YMMV

[influenza]

Well Prysme asked for an easy way :sly:

But I must agree that doing things manually can give very good results and keep you from getting lazy :D