Adobe Encore DVD

[Benjamin0]

Hi,

i've just try to use a little bit this application and i have a question.
I want to make a dvd, i can play on my DVD player, with some of my TV shows i have on my computer.
When i try to import assets ( these EP), Encore always answer me two type of message:
-when i choose a PAL project "This project requieres MPEG video to be encoded as PAL"
-when i choose a NTSC project " this file is not suported"

Here are the informations of the file i try to import:
704 x 480, 25fps, video/mpeg

What i have to do, to import this files?

Thanks for your answer

Benjamin

[Crazyjoe]

PAL DVD Resolution is 720x576 Pixels! Not 704x480! ;)

[Benjamin0]

i know this not the right resolution for Pal.
But Adobe Encore may be can adjust my file when it build the dvd?
and so accept all type of file

[jfcarbel]

Is Encore released? When did it get released?

[SurfDrifter]

www.adobe.com

Just today they released Adobe Premiere PRO...
Adobe Encore is already released along with After Effects 6.0 and Audition (Cool Edit)

[auenf]

Originally posted by Benjamin0
Hi,

i've just try to use a little bit this application and i have a question.
I want to make a dvd, i can play on my DVD player, with some of my TV shows i have on my computer.
When i try to import assets ( these EP), Encore always answer me two type of message:
-when i choose a PAL project "This project requieres MPEG video to be encoded as PAL"
-when i choose a NTSC project " this file is not suported"

Here are the informations of the file i try to import:
704 x 480, 25fps, video/mpeg

What i have to do, to import this files?

Thanks for your answer

Benjamin

PAL D1 DVD res' are 720x576 or 704x576 @ 25fps (interlaced or progressive)
NTSC D1 DVD res' are 720x480 or 704x480 @ 29.976fps (interlaced or progressive)

Enf...

[Benjamin0]

i understand what u tell me, but i tought Adobe Encore DVD can adjust the format of my video, to be readable to a DVD player, and i don't have to do it alone.
So it's means all the files i can download on the net, have to be re-encode before authoring it?

Thanks

Benjamin

[hendrix]

youre gonna have to re-encode the files to PAL resolution first before importing into Encore - 704x480, 25fps is NOT NTSC Standard, its not even PAL standard.

the reason why you can't import when you choose NTSC is because the FPS is wrong - ntsc is 29i/24p

the reason why you can't import when you choose PAL is because the resolution is wrong.

[Benjamin0]

after many experiences, i finaly conclued Adobe Encore DVD doesn't accept MPEG1 files.
Is it possible?


Benjamin

[Arky]

Well it SHOULD do, since MPEG1 at SIF resolution (e.g. 352x288 PAL) is entirely legitimate for DVD-authoring, provided the bitrate does not exceed approximately the 1750kbps mark, and is genuine CBR (VBR is not officially supported by the MPEG1 spec, and therefore is not offocially supported by the DVD spec, although you may succeed in flouting these specs and in finding a player which tolerates such violations). Then again, Encore is based upon a Sonic SDK, and I am not sure what level of functionality this SDK provides in terms of catering for file input formats. I am also unsure of where Sonic drew the body of the code from (i.e. from their acquired Daikin code, or from their own Sonic code - I strongly suspect the latter to be the case). Sonic's self-coded DVDit! product is notorious for failing to work correctly with many MPEG files, for example, whereas ReelDVD and Scenarist behave themselves in this regard, as do SpruceUP and Spruce DVDMaestro.

However, looking at the Encore .pdf brochure, available from Adobe's homepage, I found the following quote (on page 4 of the document):

********************************************************************
Streamlined Workflow for DVD Authoring:
*Integrated Video and Audio Transcoding -- Work with a variety of source files including AVI, MPEG-1, and MPEG-2 files. Integrated transcoding fucntionality in Adobe Encore DVD automatically converts video source files to MPEG-2 and audio to Dolby Digital, so you can begin working with files immediately.
********************************************************************

Now that last sentence seems to me to be an oxymoron, but I'll gloss over that! The gist of that quote, as I interpret it, appears to be that you CAN use MPEG1 source files, but that if you do, Encore will arrogantly (and quite unnecessarily) re-encode them to MPEG2 without even asking you for permission.


Arky ;o)

[benf2]

Since you have tried Encore, do u see a way to change the timeline"time". Unlike Maestro i cant seem to get the time line to change (how should i say) seconds to minutes. I find it painfully slow when i drag the end of the movie from right to left to get rid of the end credits. Maestro u can zoom in or out of the timeline making that chore a breeze. I ckd the help file but dont see anything for timeline.:confused:

[Blackbat]

Originally posted by Arky
Now that last sentence seems to me to be an oxymoron, but I'll gloss over that! The gist of that quote, as I interpret it, appears to be that you CAN use MPEG1 source files, but that if you do, Encore will arrogantly (and quite unnecessarily) re-encode them to MPEG2 without even asking you for permission.


Arky ;o)

MPG1 source maybe, but certainly not at VCD resolution :-(

"NTSC video must have a frame size of 720x480, 720x486, or 704x480 and a frame rate of 24fps or 29.97fps

PAL video must have a frame size of 720x576 or 704x576 and a frame rate of 25fps."

Blackbat

[hendrix]

Originally posted by Blackbat
MPG1 source maybe, but certainly not at VCD resolution :-(

"NTSC video must have a frame size of 720x480, 720x486, or 704x480 and a frame rate of 24fps or 29.97fps

PAL video must have a frame size of 720x576 or 704x576 and a frame rate of 25fps."

Blackbat

wrong.....mpeg 1 at 352x240 IS supported...do some research before answering and giving out wrong information - but if you're saying that Encore can't accept mpeg 1 source at SIF resolution then its a shitty program

[Blackbat]

Originally posted by hendrix
wrong.....mpeg 1 at 352x240 IS supported...do some research before answering and giving out wrong information - but if you're saying that Encore can't accept mpeg 1 source at SIF resolution then its a shitty program

Not according to Adobe. My quote was very well researched - straight from the Encore help file and I can't find any mention of MPEG-1 at all...

Blackbat

[hendrix]

hmm...strange since i tested an mpeg1 at SIF resolution and it imported fine in DVDMaestro and Scenarist - maybe its an Adobe thing not to accept mpeg1 - I stand corrected :confused:

[Blackbat]

Must be an Adobe thing, as you say. DVD Workshop is quite happy with MPEG-1 also.

[TerraForce1]

Hi,

well for me Encore is the perfect solution. Since syncing is a hell with DVD maestro, and I always have to compile before I can check the results , Encore is far more better, because it has a good preview capability for those who don't posess the hardware that is necessary in DVDmaestro. Well if I had to choose between Scenarist, DVDMaestro or Encore DVD. I would definitely choose Encore.

@Benf
It is possible to change the timeline.

[Matthew]

As has been stated before in this forum, TerraForce1 you don't need special hardware to get preview with DVDMaestro...installing cinemaster 2000 will do it...

[Arky]

Originally posted by Matthew
As has been stated before in this forum, TerraForce1 you don't need special hardware to get preview with DVDMaestro...installing cinemaster 2000 will do it...

Yes, Matthew is entirely correct in stating this. Cinemaster 98, 99, and 2000 will all suffice (not to be confused with CinePLAYER). Hardware is NOT compulsory for Maestro Preview.


and to reitterate my previous remarks about MPEG1 SIF:

MPEG1 at SIF resolution (e.g. 352x288 PAL) is entirely legitimate for DVD-authoring, provided the bitrate does not exceed approximately the 1750kbps mark, and is genuine CBR (VBR is not officially supported by the MPEG1 spec, and therefore is not officially supported by the DVD spec, although you may succeed in flouting these specs and in finding a player which tolerates such violations).

In other words, you need to check that your MPEG1 files adhere to the above specs, before assuming that MPEG1 is not usable for DVD authoring. Let me state categorically, for the record, that standard CBR VCD SIF MPEG1 files are legitimately usable within the confines of the official DVD spec, although, of course, this will not yield very high image quality. Obviously, the framerate still needs to be appropriate for your intended DVD project, and the GOP length must not be excessive. I am not categorically stating that Encore acknowledges such files as legitimate DVD fodder - I am simply talking about the official DVD Specification. This is why high end authoring programs such as Scenarist and DVDMaestro do not complain when you feed them demuxed VCD source files. N.B. If you also wish to use the original audio track from your demuxed VCD SIF files, then you will need to upsample these from 44.1khz to 48khz, since this is the only sampling frequency which the DVD spec officially permits. Generally-speaking, the video streams themselves need not be altered in any way. As I said, the only potential violation I can foresee is in situations where the GOP length is greater than that allowable for MPEG1 DVD files, or where the framerate is other than 25fps (PAL), or 29.97fps (NTSC) (the latter being highly unlikely).

If you still find that Encore rejects your CBR SIF VCD MPEG1 files, then this is an issue you need to take up with Adobe themselves. Following Sonic DVDit!'s long, infamous, history of input-file-fussiness, I must say that Encore, based as it is, on a Sonic SDK, will not surprise me, should it actually prove to be a genuine refuser of legitimate SIF MPEG1 files. I hope this will not be the case, though :(


Arky ;o)

[auenf]

first impressions:

i hate built in transcoders.

i imported a mpg that contained m2v and ac3 (both conforming to dvd spec) and it doesnt have to transcode.

but if i import a mpg that contains m2v and dts (both conforming to dvd spec) it doesnt see the audio, and says the files needs transcoding.

cant get it to import a vcd file at all, so i doubt that there is any mpg 1 support atm.

it complains correctly about frame size with svcd files tho.

Enf...

[Blackbat]

Originally posted by auenf

but if i import a mpg that contains m2v and dts (both conforming to dvd spec) it doesnt see the audio, and says the files needs transcoding.


Adobe Encore does not support DTS files.

[auenf]

Originally posted by Blackbat
Adobe Encore does not support DTS files.

that i understand, but why does it need to transcode the m2v in the file with it rather then just demux it?

Enf...

[Arky]

Presumably, it does not understand how to demux when it sees a DTS flag, and chooses, instead, to just use a VOB playback filter to read the .m2v for transcoding? Dunno. Just guessin' - does seem a bit weird. Sonic... :(


Arky ;o)

[benf2]

Matthew could u tell me how...i searched the help file more than once with different words without any luck...I know i will kick myself after u tell me cause its probably something easy. But i dont see it.

Thanks for your reply!
Ben:)

[Arky]

Originally posted by benf2
Matthew could u tell me how...i searched the help file more than once with different words without any luck...I know i will kick myself after u tell me cause its probably something easy. But i dont see it.

Thanks for your reply!
Ben:)

This is all over the forum - just use the search function.

That having being said, this isn't exactly rocket science - all you need to do is install Cinemaster 98/99/2000 and... that's it. Maestro Preview will now work. It really is that simple.


Arky ;o)

[benf2]

Yes Arky, I know how to change it in Maestro, but the question was changing the time line in Adobe Encore. Thanks

[Arky]

Originally posted by benf2
Yes Arky, I know how to change it in Maestro, but the question was changing the time line in Adobe Encore. Thanks

ok, sorry - misunderstood you because you asked Matthew:

Originally posted by benf2
Matthew could u tell me how...i searched the help file more than once with different words without any luck...I know i will kick myself after u tell me cause its probably something easy. But i dont see it.

and his only post in this thread was:

Originally posted by Matthew
As has been stated before in this forum, TerraForce1 you don't need special hardware to get preview with DVDMaestro...installing cinemaster 2000 will do it...

...SO I'm sure you can understand my confusion...


Arky ;o)

[benf2]

I made a mistake too :) ....it was TerraForce1 that said the timeline can be changed....so i guess TerraForce1 how is the time line changed?

thanks
Ben

[Matthew]

heh, I saw the post addressed to me yesterday and realised that it had just been directed to the wrong person by accident, so ignored it.

As it turns out I still have Encore installed (thought I'd got rid of it) and noticed straight away where the zoom feature was.

Bottom left hand corner of the timeline box is a slider, increasing it will zoom in. You can also use Ctrl+ and Ctrl-

You can kick yourself now :D

[benf2]

@Matthew..thanks...told u it had to be simple;) dont know how i missed it. Next time i will open both eyes. :)

And as for the kicking, my wife will take care of that for being in front of the computer too long!

[Arky]

lol - believe me, if I had a dollar for every time my ex moaned at me for "spending too much time glued to the computer, instead of coming to bed", I'd be a serious threat to Bill Gates' status as the richest man in the world! ;)


Arky ;o)