Producer 9.2 Milestone 6

[Sagittaire]

Milestone 6 - TBD
Configurable Video Packet Size
Packetizer plug-in support

Help Karl ... please ...

[RadicalEd]

Ah.. I'm curious as to the status of encodingComplexity in this release as well.

[RadicalEd]

... how fucken crazy is this

in #obe on EFNet...

<ti> I live with a norwegian who wrote the code for realvideo 9 ;)
<ti> they're fine
<ti> yeah, neither do I :\
<ti> too shallow
<Madara> mhm :)
<Madara> the ones i like are pretty cool though
<ellisdee> capitalist pigs!
<ti> natives suck
<Madara> wow
<Madara> oh gosh
<ti> yeah, there's a few good apples, but the rest suck, and not in the good way
<Madara> i mean americans in the meaning of people who call themselves so
<ti> so do i
<Madara> well you fall in that category too
<ti> only by nationality :\
<ellisdee> the leader of your country is the anti-christ
<ti> and I don't have a choice in the matter
<Madara> :)
<ti> he certainly is
<Madara> yes unfortunately you do not
<ellisdee> come to canada.. salvation..
<ti> but good thing we didn't freaking elect him
<Tabrez> wha wha
<ellisdee> hahaha
<ti> and I'm trying ;)
<Tabrez> the code for rv9 o_o
<Tabrez> I wish I lived with that guy
<ellisdee> i live with a fat hairy angry cunt
<ellisdee> she's gone till oct 1st when i leave.. thank god
<Tabrez> RV9 ROXORS
* Tabrez rips off shirt
<Tabrez> er..
<Tabrez> :\
<ti> it sure does
<Tabrez> I wonder if he knows karl :o
<ti> no, he IS karl
<Tabrez> YOU LIVE WITH KARL
<ti> I live with karl ;)
<Tabrez> WTFFFFFF
<ti> yep
<ti> how do you know him?
<Tabrez> doom9 forum
<Tabrez> tell him we're waiting for him to explain the packetizer option in milestone 6 :|
<ti> he's awake right now, who are you so I can ask him about you? ;)
<ti> ok, I'll go ask ;)
<Tabrez> I doubt he knows me, I'm just another of the rv9 fanboys on the site :|
<Tabrez> whoa wtf
<Tabrez> that's crazy
<ti> he said he doesn't know you, but he'll check the forum ;)
<Tabrez> I go by RadicalEd on those forums
<Tabrez> but like I said
<ti> ok
<Tabrez> there are a bunch of rv9 fans :P
<ti> on which forum are you talking about?
<Tabrez> forum.doom9.org
<Madara> wow
<Madara> now we have connecting games topic
<Madara> shitty computer games
<Madara> i bb
* Madara has quit IRC (Broken Life. Still alive. That pain inside of me...)
<ti> but which topic/forum/whatever?
<Tabrez> ohh
<Tabrez> new a/v formats
<ti> he's responding right now I think
<Tabrez> awesome

[ChristianHJW]

LOL

Karl, if you read here, thx, i received your RV9 sample via multicone, now the XviD guys are crazy finding a similar filter as you did use it to reach a quality similar to RV9 for the trailer ;) ...... samples with about 10 different subs languages to be released soon ;) , as

DivX5 kaukura 8 pass / HE-AAC
XviD / Vorbis
RV9 / RA9

Thanks again

Christian

[karl_lillevold]

As far as I know, nothing very exciting in this release, another milestone towards final 9.2. For OS-X everything is now Mach-O based and built with Apple's gcc instead of Codewarrior, which is a significant change.

configurable video packet size : another codec option that has "grown up", i.e. been moved up from the codec to Producer. So now it is possible to set the packet size another place than in codecProperties. Hmm, can't seem to find the option though, maxPacketSize does not work, I think the documentation needs to be updated. Will post update when I find out.

Packetizer plug-in support: I don't yet know its usefulness, but I will find out.

encoder complexity: both the new 'encodingComplexity' (very-high, high, normal etc) and the old 'encoderComplexity' in codecProperties (65-100), including its reg key now work. My custom codec build is no longer necessary.

[karl_lillevold]

oh, there's also a new command line switch:
-ec <encodingComplexity>, for example:
-ec very-high

will change to '-eco' in next Milestone though.. :o

@ChristianHJW:
Karl, if you read here, thx, i received your RV9 sample via multicone, now the XviD guys are crazy finding a similar filter as you did use it to reach a quality similar to RV9 for the trailer
I did not use any pre-filters, just encoded the trailer as I received it from multicone, with AutoRV9 and EHQ very-high. Let me know when they have decided what the best pre-filter combination is, if any, and I will re-encode with same.. :)

@RadicalEd: it's a small world. p.s. Of course I know you.. Well, at least I remember your forum nick and your RV9 posts.

[multicone]

Yes, i forwarded Karls sample to Christian, as i could not get HPG to work :( ... my fault i guess, it was difficult sample with DV compression. AutoRV9 from Dark-Cracker works fine on my last DVD backup :) !

[superdump]

Karl & Chris:

Karl, if you read here, thx, i received your RV9 sample via multicone, now the XviD guys are crazy finding a similar filter as you did use it to reach a quality similar to RV9 for the trailer

We have been doing nothing of the sort. :P Certainly not when you posted that and I still think the fluxsmoothed xvid encode looks better than the RV9 encode in my opinion. The RV9 encode has better lines but some sections just look blurred. And you've tried to make the xvid encoded version into something it's not. Do what Karl did, encode straight from the source, no smoothing.

Karl: By they way, keep up the good work on RV9. It's a very good codec as well all know. :D

[karl_lillevold]

@superdump: thanks! I should try out fluxsmoothing myself. Never really tried it much. Any recommended parameters? I tried to find the latest samples, the link I have is http://matroska.free.fr/samples/matrix , but it seems to be down. Also, I am not quite sure I understood.. was or was not fluxsmooth used for the XviD encode?

[superdump]

That URL is correct, and don't use fluxsmooth! It will make your RV9 even blurrier than it already is. I was advising Chris _not_ to use fluxsmooth, because it was making the xvid look blurred. Fluxsmooth was used on the xvid encode, but I'm sure a better xvid encode can be done. (And I'm not just being a zealot, well... maybe a little :))

Nevertheless, if you want to try it out, I suggest you use it very sparingly. The lightest setting for light noise (taken from gknot) is FluxSmooth(5,7) if I recall correctly.

I'm just trying to decode the final trailer 1000x540 mov so I can have a bash at encoding the trailer myself. :)

[ChristianHJW]

... actually, the source on the XviD encode has been double filtered, with a script like

LoadPlugin("FluxSmooth.dll")
avisource("V:\matrixTrailer\matrixreloadedtrailer.avi")
ConvertToYUY2()
FluxSmooth(5,7)
LanczosResize(640,432)
FluxSmooth(5,7)


so there was actually done a double flux-smooth, one time before the resizing and one time after :O .....

Lets see what the guys come up with, now as the XviD Pros are on the case .....

[Didée]

Regarding the topic, this should not be the place to discuss any filtering ... but anyways:

Tryundot()
# Convolution3d(0,2,4,3,5,3,0) # <- only if stronger grain is present
LanczosResize(640,432)
undot()
PixieDust(limit=2)and be prepared for two surprises (1: speed :( 2: quality-through-HigherCompressability :D ) !

/runs away before the flaming starts/

-Didée

[edit] Of course, you'll use *MPEG* quantization with XviD.