avi (NTSC) to dvd (PAL) problems

[rossy_boy69]

Can somebody write a complete newbie guide for us :) Newbies i have followed guides after guides yet some seem not to work and i think that to get that guide to work i gotta go read another guide and another ect ect. all i want to do is convert NTSC AVI/DIVX/XVID's to PAL DVD's yet i follow guides and get errors or my picture seems jerky please can somebody talk me through it from complete scratch and talk to me as an idiot. You guys are well above my level and i hope you can help me :)

[Kedirekin]

I'm going to respond, because I can be polite (when I feel like it) and I think it likely you are about to get seriously flamed.

There are already many attempts at newbie guides out on the internet. The fact of the matter is that doing this stuff is not easy, and you have to gain a ton of knowledge before it starts to make sense. Hence, a true newbie guide isn't *really* possible, though I commend people for trying.

Beyond that, I don't think anyone will be willing to hold your hand. It's simply too much to ask. Many people, Doom9 not the least amongst them, have already done you a huge favor by writing all these guides and articles. Now it is incumbent on you to start learning. We're here to help when you have specific questions, but not to a fault. You have to be willing to put in the time and the work to learn. The proper place to start is with the quides, and don't be afraid to make mistakes or experiment on your own. That's the best way to learn.

[rjgn]

Everything Kedirekin has said is correct.

There is also the fact that you are trying to accomplish 2 quite difficult tasks.

Firstly you are trying to convert material from one format to another, which in itself can be difficult if you are wanting to achieve good results. This is made more complicated by the fact that your wanting to convert to dvd compliant mpeg2 streams.

Secondly you are also wanting to convert from NTSC to PAL, this is also very difficult to do well.

This isn't to say that it's impossible, but given the ammount of time you will need to spend just learning the ropes and then the ammount of time needed to do the encoding, well it's not really worth it.

It's simply impossible to create an all in one Newbie guide for this. It requires you to learn and know too much material before hand. You wouldn't expect someone to be able to create a newbie guide to solving advanced quantum equations would you? Why? Because you need to have the background knowledge before moving onto more difficult subjects. A bad example maybe since dvd encoding isn't anywhere near that hard :) but I'm sure you get the idea.

Bascially if you don't understand the guides you need to start with something a little less ambitious, perhaps just ripping and encoding a movie only dvd with CCE and Avisynth? (not too hard).

[Wilbert]

I changed your title to a more appropriate one, and moved it to an appropriate forum. Because of the above mentioned reasions, I suggest you start with DivX/Xvid to DVD conversions first (without NTSC to PAL conversion).

Please, tell us wich guide you are using and where you are stuck.

[ppera2]

Just to add that PAL-NTSC or vice-versa conversion is one of hardest things in whole video editing stuff. It's certainly not good to start with that.
On other side, there are some comercial programs which can do it with more-less troubles and quality. Usually, usage is quite simple, you just need to feed programs with adequate format video.

See aDVanced DV PAL/NTSC converter for example.

[joshyg2]

take a look at this post:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=57678

[rossy_boy69]

wow thank you and what a nice forum, friendly and helpful thanks for the replys and i have done most of the things mentioned but the one i tried was this one http://www.geocities.com/xesdeeni2001/StandardsConversion/index.html
how ever when i put the avisythn script in and follow all instructions tmpeg encodes only the first frame of that movie.
I really only need to know how to convert avi/divx/xvid ntsc to pal DVD as this is the only thing i really need to know thanks again :)

[Wilbert]

Is your avi 23.976 or 29.97?

[ppera2]

Originally posted by rossy_boy69
...how ever when i put the avisythn script in and follow all instructions tmpeg encodes only the first frame of that movie.
I really only need to know how to convert avi/divx/xvid ntsc to pal DVD as this is the only thing i really need to know thanks again :)

Could you copy here your AVISynth script, so we can check it for syntax and other errors?

[rossy_boy69]

its 29.97 fps ntsc avi heres my avisynth script
LoadPlugin("MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("SmoothDeinterlacer.dll")
MPEG2Source("DRIVE:\PATH\VTS_xx_x.d2v")
SeparateFields()
Weave()
SmoothDeinterlace(doublerate=true)
ConvertFPS(50) # or ChangeFPS(50)
LanczosResize(720,576)
SeparateFields()
SelectEvery(4,1,2)
Weave()
ConvertToRGB()

this is the one i used when i created a d2v project from an ntsc dvd
and this didnt work either just encoded first frame.

has anyone got a good script for
NTSC avi/divx/xvid to pal dvd as this is all i do and the ntsc are 29.97fps

[rossy_boy69]

Wilbert if you can talk me through the steps for this 29.97 avi/xvid/divx so i get a nice smooth playback and decent sound it would be much appreciated and that goes to any one out there that can help. Hopefully by reading more guides i can get to a point where maybe i can return the favour and help you guys, its just this conversion is kinda desperate for what i need. :)

[ppera2]

Rossy_Boy:

There is couple problem:
1: you talk about AVI to DVD but your source is not AVI but DVD or Mpeg2 file
It is very important before conversion to determine type of video. Conversion is different for interlaced, for progressive and for telecined source.

Your script is obviously for interlaced source.

2: SeparateFields and Wave are unnecessary before SmoothDeinterlace

3: Are you sure that your AVIsynth version supports LancosResize?
Try with Bicubic, it's in fact better here.

4: Put ConvertToRGB24() at end - otherwise you will get garbage in Tmpgenc.

After this corrections it worked by me, of course extremely slow - Smoothdeinterlace is slow, and TmpgEnc too.

But, if your source is progressive AVI it goes different. And third way is required if your source is FILM on NTSC DVD - you need inverse telecine, audio time strech etc....

[rossy_boy69]

ok thank you very much can you give me an example scripts of a avi to pal coneversion one for progressive and one interlaced and one for telecine to give me smooth playback thank you:) final getting there and what version of avisythn should i use i think i have the latest

[ppera2]

rossy_boy:

It's all here, in forum. It's time for you that start to use search function of board.

[rossy_boy69]

thank you but i have searched but always run into trouble like i have said this is all i want to do i dont want to seem like i just get the imformation and go its just i need to do some conversions in a hurry

[Kika]

The Corrected Script for interlaced Source (29.97 FpS):

LoadPlugin("MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("SmoothDeinterlacer.dll")
MPEG2Source("DRIVE:\PATH\VTS_xx_x.d2v")
SmoothDeinterlace(doublerate=true)
SeparateFields()
ConvertFPS(50) # or ChangeFPS(50)
BicubicResize(720,576)
SelectEvery(4,1,2).Weave()
ConvertToRGB24()

[ppera2]

Originally posted by rossy_boy69
thank you but i have searched but always run into trouble like i have said this is all i want to do i dont want to seem like i just get the imformation and go its just i need to do some conversions in a hurry

It's normal when you jump straight in something so complicated without prior knowledge. Problem is that there is too much information required. It would be nice to write such guide for absolute beginners, but don't expect too much for nothing.

You lost already 4 days. Better start with basics of video, and things will be much cleaner. Some experimenting with simple things is also very useful.