Orig. menu + re-edit movie

[boedha]

I have Finding Nemo DVD with only english subtitles. I am Dutch so I demux the movie + sound + subtitles and put it back to gather with ifoedit. Only removed english subtitles and replaced it with the dutch one.

How can I use the original menu from the dvd and the new edited movie.

I used ifoupdate but I don't get it to work.

Alex

[influenza]

What you're doing should absolutely work. What you should check though is in the pgcity part of the movie ifo if the subtitle streams in the original ifo and your newly reauthored one have the same values.

[Ak47]

If there are multiple sub-title streams in your movie then it sounds like incorrect value on the sub-title stream...

you can use voborator to reassign values and then just save the VOBset... beats demuxing and then muxing again....

to get correct function as it stands at the moment you would have to select english subtitles in the menu... at which point the stream should activate.... providing it's assigned the same value as the original english stream... and also providing the presence of a sub-title stream is referenced in the ifo..

If your title is single language sub-title stream.. and you've grafted on a dutch sub-title from somewhere else.. this may be problematical.

I've re-assigned sub-title content and values regularly using IFOEdit mux / Voborator value assignment and usually works no probs

[influenza]

Why should replacing a single english subtitle track by a new one be a problem? If you use an authoring program (or ifoedit in authoring mode) you can much any compatible subpicture stream). I think it's a problem of wrong streams values (menu assigns value x and in ifo the stream has value Y).

What you can check is playing your newly created movie after muxing (for example in powerdvd). Check if you can select the subtitle stream in powerdvd. If possible ten it's ok and you have to make sure the right stream values are assigned in the ifo. If it's not possible somethings wrong with the muxing or the subpicture stream.

[boedha]

It worked thanks, use wrong *.ifo in ifoupdate.

[Ak47]

There can often be probs even replacing a single sub-stream with another single sub stream...

There can be mismatches in stream values or a timing offset on the m2v/subs, there can also be combined streams used as a single stream, with offsets required on the various stream parts to get correct alignment. .. subs ripping can be fraught with probs.. all depends on method and experience.. if you don't understand what the prob is to start with can be a job to fix it.

by far the easiest subs method is the IFOEdit mux method as this even gets the ubiquitous button over video with zero effort.

[influenza]

Ofcourse replacing subtitles can be painfull (syncing etc). But the actual process of replacing a single subpicture stream by an other one is quite simple

You got to help me out here: what are you saying about button over video and ifoedit here?

[Ak47]

What I'm saying is that substreams in an IFOEdit author/mux will keep any button-over-video functions.. with 0 effort or attention other than ensuring that values and stream content remain/end up matching the orig...

i.e imagine a structure where you have
normal substream 0x20
other lang 0x21 to 0x25
interactive substream on 0x26

if you just strip out non-english 0x21 to 0x25 leaving just 0x20 and 0x26, button over video function is unaffected...

so ... MUX the required M2V, AC3/DTS, SUP and add CellTimes with(IFOEdit), adjust audio/substream ID values if required (VOBrator) and then IFOUpdate the previously stripped IFO ... substream functions remain intact....

the advantage is that no author is required... its all demux and load bar the m2v compression....

[influenza]

I find this hard to believe (although I never tried it, so you might be right). I thought that with button over video the commands are stored in the muxed vob file and not in the ifo file and so they will get lost when demuxing. What you're saying is quite interesting:

demuxing and reencoding the video then remuxing it using ifoedit and still all the button commands work?

I don't mind giving it a try, but this will certainly not work on all titles (think of multiple PGC titles or titles that need demuxing by vobid)

[Ak47]

Believe it or not.. it works.. and you don't have to take my word for it... see JDobbs remarks in this thread

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=56935&postid=345983

Multi-PGC titles are NOT a problem... and, provided you know your way around VOBEdit or VOBrator, titles which require VOB-ID's to retain a particular structure are as easily replicated as by authoring.

IFOEdit MUX just replaces authoring step... and happily it just loads the demuxed files and mux's them as is.

Obviously I'm NOT saying there may not be titles that may cause or seem to cause problems at first.. but if you are able to understand VOB structure correctly from reading the IFO these can also go with this method. There may be a little more messing about required... but a lot less than authoring the same title would require.

The last title I actually authored was a fully interactive title.. entirely BOV menus.. 50+ multiangle VOBsets, 6 buttons per menu / vobset.. it took days to do this and set up all the links in authoring app... same title would take me a most a day now using mux method.

[influenza]

Ok, we're talking about two different things here. You're talking about remuxing a cce encoded file back into a vob structure. (While I was thinking you meant the ifoedit authoring mode, which will certainly not do what you say).

Remuxing will work ofcourse, because basically you leave the DVD structure alone, you only replace the video. I remember the thread, since we discussed changing DVD structure there. I heard that ifoedit is not very good at correcting vobu pointers though , when stripping audio subs etc.

this method would be very nice and simple if it works. In the past the only word was that cce reencoded m2v could not be remuxed using ifoedit (result was not very good). As I read the thread the results are not very satisfactory for everybody/NTSC?