Multiple SVCD's on one DVD

[sandman1687]

Last year, i finally got a DVD player that could play SVCD's. since then, my svcd collection has surpassed my divx collection my leaps and bounds. i recently got a DVD+R burner, and i was wondering something. instead of having all of these CD's in my case, could i put 2 or 3 svcd's onto one DVD, and make a menu that would let me select which one i want to play. i dont want to reencode the video or audio, and with the svcd's i have with chapters, i'd like to be abole to make my movies on the DVD retain those same chapter settings. if anyone has any opinion, comments, tips, or just tellimg me if this will or wont work, please reply. thanks, -sandman1687

[maa]

From the threads i've read with similar questions you need to at least re-encode the audio to 48k...

[Pntgrd]

Maa is right, the audio has to go back to 48000. But with SVCD's the video has to be re-encoded or at least the "header" has to be changed back to DVD complient(first number has to be either 352 or 720) and then things authored to DVD structure. I have, like you, upgraded to a DVD burner, and I have been looking into this for the last week or so. I have not as of yet found a GOOD, workable solution. I have tried SVCD2DVDMPG which does the audio and header conversion, and did the authoring with Movie Factory 2. Afetr a few trial and errors I got an SVCD set converted. Only thing I do not like is that you lose (at least I did) the 5.1 sound. Program only can convert to PCM. I was in the process of trying TMPGE to re-encode the SVCD mpg.s to DVD-complient files last night. I joined the 2 mpg's with MPEG Tools and then loaded up the DVD template and went ot bed. It didn't like something about 60% of the way during the encode and stopped there. That could have been the where I had joined the 2 files and then edited out the 2 second overlap before re-encoding it. I will give it another shot tonite but will not join the 2 files. I will let MF2 do that in the authoring phase. Will let you know the results. I will just keep using the SVCD's rather than loose the 5.1 ;)

[sandman1687]

i dont ever use 5.1 channel in my SVCD's because my "home theater" is very basic. i get the 48KHz thing, and just change the header from svcd to dvd (im assuming with the mpeg tools in TMPG). then all the authoring, anything else im forgetting?

[Pntgrd]

sandman1687, I understand what you mean about basic, mine used to be that way. I now have a 5.1 setup and a Widescreen HDTV, so I am getting a little more picky about stuff, especially PQ. I need to maybe state that the reason I didn't have 5.1 with DVD2DVDRMPG moght have been that I grabbed an SVCD that I had done converting to SVCD from a avi. version of the film and not the original. I had played around with DVD2SVCD to see how it worked and me early work at backups was very "basic". I need to sort my SVCD's I guess. I did finish a conversion using TMPGEnc. I just converted the ripped .mpg files from each SVCD, using the DVD template. I then authored with Movie Factory 2, no menus, and burned to DVD+RW. It seems to me that there is some loss to PQ, which I had hoped there would not be in this process. Back to the search for "The" way to do this. I'll keep you posted.

[edit]
I have to report that I was right about the 5.1 sound and using the wrong source disk. I just did another conversion with SVCD2DVDMPG and the 5.1 sound DOES work just fine. Me BAD. And now that I have the hand of MF2 to put it together, other than adding chapters, it works great, and is much faster than using TMPGE and re-encoding. The PQ is the same as the source SVCD which I can live with.

[sandman1687]

thnaks for all the help guys. now i can start the shrinking process of my movie collection. thanks for all the help. Ps. imho, i think doom or someone else should make a new guide, explaining in detail the process of multi-svcd's to DVD. -sandman1687

[gerbruggeman]

Originally posted by sandman1687
thnaks for all the help guys. now i can start the shrinking process of my movie collection. thanks for all the help. Ps. imho, i think doom or someone else should make a new guide, explaining in detail the process of multi-svcd's to DVD. -sandman1687

I also have a DVD+R burner, and i was also wondering instead of having all of these CD's I want to put several svcd's onto one DVD with a menu for choosing a movie.
I certainly don't want to re-encode video and audio, and I want to keep the chapters (and also sub-titles) on the DVD.
Some movies on SVCVD are split onto 2 cdr's for quality's sake. For a SVCD on DVDR I can/will join these mpeg's the one file again.
Can this be done ? If so, anybody knows how ?
Maybe it is better to put it this way: Can a SVCD (with several movies up until 4.3gb) be made on a DVD+R ?

For your information, I already made a non-complient DVD:
- with menu
- with various (compared to DVD low) quality movies from the Internet (real, quicktime, mpeg1, converted to non-DVD compliant mpeg2).
- I've got about 6 hours on one DVD.
- The 48k audio is not needed on many (also my own) DVD-standalone. (The audio on this DVD is 44.1k).
The DVD plays fine on my (and other) DVD-player(s).

PS for SVCD-creation is use(d) DVD2SVCD. For SVCD+ or DVD-authoring I can use DVDlab, Sonic MyDVD, Soni DVDit PE, Ulead DVD MovieFactory, eo

[gerbruggeman]

I HAVE scvd-compliant svcd's which means 44.1khz audio -
PERIOD.
I want to put multiple SVCD's on one DVD -
PERIOD.
No thanx for comments/issues already known
and not answering the question at all.

Originally posted by paceri
I just dont know why people are still doing SVCDs with 44.1 kHz audio? I know it's the standard, but most of the DVD-players will play the 48 kHz audio in SVCD. Transcoding the audio to 44.1 kHz (if the source is 48 kHz) will take more time and it also lowers the audio quality... :o)

[Pntgrd]

QUOTE]I just dont know why people are still doing SVCDs with 44.1 kHz audio? I know it's the standard, but most of the DVD-players will play the 48 kHz audio in SVCD. Transcoding the audio to 44.1 kHz (if the source is 48 kHz) will take more time and it also lowers the audio quality... )[/QUOTE]

Hmm, maybe because there have been a TON of SVCD's made with DVD2SVCD and therfore have had the audio converted. I know I have over 100 backups made this way. I remember when it was not an option to not convert the audio.

[Pntgrd]

Yes but why people STIL are doing that way... That was my point )

Old habits are hard to break ;) Especially ones that work :)

[gerbruggeman]

Originally posted by paceri
Did you try that link I post before... DVDlab is great for that process and you have good guide so you cant fail...

I saw the svcd2dvd-guide overthere...
But notyhing about the keeping subtitles and chapters in an easy way.

[j77]

Maybe it is better to put it this way: Can a SVCD (with several movies up until 4.3gb) be made on a DVD+R ?

For my problem this would be the best question as well...

You see I have downloaded Season 2 - Scrubs (sharereactor release)
the 22 mpgs are size: around 200MB 21 mins average

Video : 352x240 29.97 fps 1150
Audio : 44Khz / 224

I could have easily used the video to make a dvd , all i needed was to resample the audio. I tried a lot of software (first of all besweet) but always the resulting 48Khz audio would come out unsynced. Couldn't figure out what was wrong.

In the end I realised that the mpeg was probably corrupt.
I tried different ways of fixing the mpeg.

VCDGear - resulted in a mpg that plays alright, when demuxed however the resulting video and audio files are smaller and are only 2' long.

other files i've tried -
mpeg corrector
fixmpg1.exe

there aren't that many mpeg fixers around there,are there?

usually I would get a mpeg that would work. when burnt on cdrw as VCD the deck dvd playr I have plays it.

but when demuxed to primary streams - dvdlab and maestro and other video editing software just end up with Unsynced A/V


So I see two solutions.

1) Find a program that would work as dubber (like our old twin audiotape recorders).
2) Burn the MPGs AS they are on a big DVD-R as a SVCD and try to fool the player.

so basically, I would like the same Q answered if anyone knows: [U]Can a SVCD be made on DVDR?[/U}

I wrote the whole story just in case anyone has any idea on how to bypass my problems. Perhaps someone can suggest a mpeg fixer tool?

Please help, bec I have spent 10 days on this thing and i'm still at square 1. and i have an internal medicine I exam.

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[gerbruggeman]

Originally posted by j77
Maybe it is better to put it this way: Can a SVCD (with several movies up until 4.3gb) be made on a DVD+R ?
Yep, that is what I want to know (also)....
But another simple solution also is OK,
whatever works in a simple way !

but when demuxed to primary streams - dvdlab and maestro and other video editing software just end up with Unsynced A/V

Ever tried TMPEG for this ? (The TMPEG-tools within TMPEG, to be exact)
(de)Muxing en (de)multipliing works just fine for me !

Now for the rest.......

[j77]

gerbruggeman :Ever tried TMPEG for this ? (The TMPEG-tools within TMPEG, to be exact)

yes, that too.

I dunno what to do. I mean I have like 9GB (two seasons) on my hard disk waiting. If only there was what I said, some sort of dubbing program.That wouldnt demux the streams, but that would encode every single bit of video and audio it "saw" played. And that would probably end up in a terrible quality loss.

If I had the DVD-R drive myself, I would have tried to burn an as big SVCD but, I don't. I have to prepare everything and bring it over to a friend on my HD so that all he does is burn.

J

[gerbruggeman]

Originally posted by j77
gerbruggeman :
yes, that too.
I dunno what to do. I mean I have like 9GB (two seasons) on my hard disk waiting. If only there was what I said, some sort of dubbing program.That wouldnt demux the streams, but that would encode every single bit of video and audio it "saw" played. And that would probably end up in a terrible quality loss.
Loss for sure ! But if you will use a good encoder like cinemacraft and make a three-pass VBR encoding
with for example Full-D1 or even Half-D1 DVD_compliant-MPEG2.
The loss wil be acceptable (for Full-D-1 more than for half-D1), but personally I won't go for that.

I'll stay with 480x576 (PAL in Europe) SVCD on DVD if possible.
If AV-offsync is regular (which it should be), better put: "does not fluctuate", try to shift the audio (after demuxing & transcoding audio from 44.1 to 48k)
by taking a (part of a) movie and take some frames in the front or in the back of the file before muxing audio & video.
Or try to add some black frames in the front and or back. Experiment some with it until you get it right.

If this doesn't work your problem is most likely that your system screwed up somehow.
Mine was when I had too many different video-edit-softeware, codecs, dvd-authoring-proggs, and other stuff on my win2k-machine, which should be very stable:
Though it might not be on your system, playback on my PC resulted in off-sync results (audio to soon or to early, and even to fast running video),
and playback on my standalone DVD-player gave no problems, so maybe a try out on DVD+/-RW is an option.....

If I had the DVD-R drive myself, I would have tried to burn an as big SVCD but, I don't. I have to prepare everything and bring it over to a friend on my HD so that all he does is burn. J
As I said, some tests on DVDRW could be worth a try...

You wouldn't know anything about keeping the SVCD-chapters and subtitles when puttings SVCD's on DVDR(W)
(SVCD-on-DVDmedia-METHOD or authoring-DVD-with-SVCD-sources-without-converting-METHOD) ?

[daehkcid]

SVCD-to-DVDR with Maestro problems..

Hello,

I was trying to convert an SVCD into a DVDR and followed the guides from Doom9. I encoutered this problem when draggin my .m2v file from the Media Asset into Movie1 of my project (in Maestro):

"The Video Asset length is greater than the maximum allowed."

Why is that? The movie is Anger Manag. and it's only 1h45 minute.

Any help?

I also got a "Media Detection Error" while trying to import my audio file (*.mpa 48000hz)


BTW, i've successfully done an DVD-R with 2 SVCD movies, Anger Management and Identity (4 CDS total) with TMPGENC and ULEAD MOVIEFACTORY. It works great because even my PS2 can play SVCDDVD now :) My friend's machine who doesn't play SVCD before now plays SVCDDVD. Cool. But i wanna make more cool menu, which MovieFactory dont permit.

[j77]

Originally posted by daehkcid
SVCD-to-DVDR with Maestro problems..

BTW, i've successfully done an DVD-R with 2 SVCD movies, Anger
[...]
My friend's machine who doesn't play SVCD before now plays SVCDDVD. Cool. But i wanna make more cool menu, which MovieFactory dont permit.

how have you done that exactly? it's a dvd-rom with the usual folders of svcd? if possible tell me the process.
i created a 2gb vcd with nero and saved the nrg image file. i load it on daemon tools for a test but it confuses the system. it cant be read.
were your svcd movies with 44khz audio or 48?

what do you mean exactly by the term svcddvd?

TIA,
J

[daehkcid]

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/svcd2dvdr.htm

I have a question, wha'ts the difference between patching the header only, and the whole file..?

[gerbruggeman]

Originally posted by daehkcid
http://www.doom9.org/mpg/svcd2dvdr.htm

I have a question, wha'ts the difference between patching the header only, and the whole file..?

patch header is to make a dvd-player believe it's dvd-compatible (quickly, might not work on all dvd-players)
convert the whole file to make it dvd-compatible (some quality loss, take's more time)

[daehkcid]

REally? Are you sure it's converting the whole file to 352x480??

I would do patch header instead then.

[gerbruggeman]

Originally posted by daehkcid
REally? Are you sure it's converting the whole file to 352x480??

I would do patch header instead then.

You should be able to choose...
DVD-compatible are:
720x480 (720x576 in europe = PAL) or 352x480 (352x576 in europe = PAL), also referred to as Full-D1 and Half-D1

[Happygolucky]

Originally posted by paceri
I just dont know why people are still doing SVCDs with 44.1 kHz audio? I know it's the standard, but most of the DVD-players will play the 48 kHz audio in SVCD. Transcoding the audio to 44.1 kHz (if the source is 48 kHz) will take more time and it also lowers the audio quality... :o)

Perhaps because there are still some (like Pioneer) standalone DVD players that will NOT accept SVCDs with 48KHz audio. I've tried, just won't work. The SVCD will play but all you get for sound is some weird chirping noise. Converting to 44.1KHz the sound is normal. Pioneer must follow the SVCD specs more rigidly.

[ChrissyBoy]

sequence header patching is just done to fool your dvd authoring software into importing the svcd mpegs as assets. Most authoring applications do a quick resolution check (first sequence header) but some do a more intensive check (every sequence header). Therefore you choose the patch resolution (352 or 720) and "first" or "entire file" depending on what authoring application you choose to use. (There are some which don't check at all)

It is advised to repatch back to 480 your final VOB files.