PAL to NTSC with Big 3

[BinaryBin]

Has anybody done this? Can it be done? How do you convert a PAL DVD to a NTSC DVD?

[69Mws]

well, quite the same thing as here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=58818) , just turned around (NTSC -> PAL) ;)

it's just one line in your avs script to convert the framerate down to 23.976, afterwards I think you need to run Pulldown on it to bring it up to 29.97 (DoPulldown4U should do that) and surely don't forget to convert your audio from 25FPS to 29.97FPS.

NTSC-Guys, please correct me in case I'm telling any bullsh*t here :D

Greetz
69Mws

[BinaryBin]

What about the menus? I put a Pal dvd in my player, and the screen just flickers, even at the menu, hard to see whats going on. Anyway to fix that? or if i was to convert the movie, i would have to scrap the entire menu system? :(

also, what is causing the rolling/flickering, I thought it was a different signal type, can that be changed. Shouldn't ntsc dvd players be able to play Pal resolutions, as they are standards.

[Eldorado]

Use NuMenu4U and add that same line into the AVS scripts that it uses.. done it a couple times and works great!

Only problem is the positioning of the menu button highlights are off so you can't tell which button your currently highlighting! Haven't found a way to fix this yet..


Oh, and the audio I use Besweet and use the Preset PAL->NTSC (25fps->23.976fps)

[LakersFan]

Originally posted by 69Mws
it's just one line in your avs script to convert the framerate down to 23.976, afterwards I think you need to run Pulldown on it to bring it up to 29.97 (DoPulldown4U should do that) and surely don't forget to convert your audio from 25FPS to 29.97FPS.

Hi 69Mws,
I'm a bit confused as to what the 'one line' is for my AVS file. If I follow the link you quoted, I get taken to a post that takes me here (http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/78178.php). This page has a few different options for conversion using Avisynth. Perhaps you can help me out a little more? :confused:

Thanks in advance

-LF

[CandyGrrl]

I'm a little confused about all this. Now i think you're supposed to use that one line that converts your video to 23.97 fps but where do i put that line in the avs scripts for NuMenu4U?

[69Mws]

Originally posted by LakersFan
Hi 69Mws,
I'm a bit confused as to what the 'one line' is for my AVS file. If I follow the link you quoted, I get taken to a post that takes me here (http://www.dvdrhelp.com/forum/userguides/78178.php). This page has a few different options for conversion using Avisynth. Perhaps you can help me out a little more? :confused:

Thanks in advance

-LF

It's step 1b on that page where the AVS-Scipts have a line with "AssumeFPS(desired Framerate here)".

I tried that once with a conversion NTSC -> PAL and it worked well.

What I did to determine which lines I needed in AVS, I loaded the source (avi, mpv, whatever) in FitCD. There you can determine what result you desire (resolution, framerate, anamorph yes/no and so on) and it spits out the proper lines for your script.

Oh, I forgot that in case of NTSC <-> PAL conversions there's also a resize needed in your Script, because PAL is 720x576 and NTSC is 720x480. Why didn't anyone tell me I forgot to mention that?!? :D

Those resize paramaters can also be calculated by FitCD.

I tried this once with a conversion NTSC -> PAL and it worked well for me.

Greetz
69Mws

[BinaryBin]

Its all confusing :P

So your telling me all i have to do is add this one line
AssumeFPS(23.976)

And it'll convert it from PAL -> NTSC? Where exactly do i put this line in doitfast4u. And is that the same line you put in for when doing the menus, and is this the only line? I understand the part about the audio.

Hmm... also wonder if any fix on those menu highlights.

Any more info and help would be greatly appreciated, Details :D

Oh when you brought FitCD into the mix, you confused me even more :P Where you doing a NTSC DVD -> PAL DVD?

[69Mws]

Originally posted by BinaryBin
Its all confusing :P

So your telling me all i have to do is add this one line
AssumeFPS(23.976)

And it'll convert it from PAL -> NTSC? Where exactly do i put this line in doitfast4u. And is that the same line you put in for when doing the menus, and is this the only line? I understand the part about the audio.

Hmm... also wonder if any fix on those menu highlights.

Any more info and help would be greatly appreciated, Details :D

Oh when you brought FitCD into the mix, you confused me even more :P Where you doing a NTSC DVD -> PAL DVD?

Well.....actually I used FitCD to create a script to bring an NTSC-Avi to a PAL-DVD-Stream :D

However it shouldn't matter which way you use FitCD, it works both ways, NTSC -> PAL and PAL -> NTSC.

AssumeFPS is not the only line, 'cause as mentioned before, there's also a resize needed, as PAL is 720x576 and NTSC is 720x480.

Afterwards you can use BBWoof's DoPulldown4U to bring the encoded mpv up again to 29.97 FPS.

Place the lines with AssumeFPS and the resizeparameters under the line where the source is loaded, that's all.

When selecting a resize to NTSC-DVD in FitCD you can choose between several resize methods, which will affect encoding speed.

Bicubic is the slowest resize method, but it's told to deliver the best quality. Lanczos-Method or something like that should be a good compromise between speed and quality, if I'm not mistaken.

Greetz
69Mws

[Eldorado]

I can't remember where in the AVS scripts for DoitFast4U I put these lines, but for NuMenu4U go into the AVS Scripts and on the top right box it's labeled PAL / Region 2, then below that has Normal, in the normal box pop these two lines in:

AssumeFPS(23.976)
BicubicResize(720,480)

Actually, I'm guessing for DoItFast4u to put these two lines in the Processing Pure Interlaced box, along with the stuff that's already in there..

[LakersFan]

69Mws and/or anyone else-
Ok, I finally scored a PAL DVD to try this. :D It has no menu or extras (I'm keeping it simple at first!) Here's what I've done so far...

1. Loaded the PAL DVD into DIF4U
2. Removed all subtitles (Don't need 'em) and ripped.
3. Opened the d2v created by DIF4U with FitCD.
4. FITCD came out with these Avisynth results to reencode to NTSC:
#LoadPlugin("D:\PathOf\AnyPlugin.dll")
mpeg2source("E:\WORKING\VTS01\VTS__01_P01.I-BFF.16~9_1.d2v")
BicubicResize(688,448,0,0.6,57,0,606,576)
AddBorders(16,16,16,16)
AssumeFPS(23.976, true)
#Trim(0,152917).FadeOut(150)
5. Under your suggestion above, I only added the bicubic resize and AssumeFPS lines to my AviSynth file created by DIF4U.
6. CURRENTLY I'm encoding with DoCCE4U using RobshotBach template.

Questions:
1. When it's done encoding (sometime tomorrow) do I need to touch the IFO's with IfoEdit? If so, how?
2. Should I have added the AddBorders and #trim lines to my Avisynth file?

FYI, I haven't started on the AC3 file yet...

Thanks in advance for the help.

-LF

[adam]

Originally posted by Eldorado
Only problem is the positioning of the menu button highlights are off so you can't tell which button your currently highlighting! Haven't found a way to fix this yet..

Only way is to reauthor the menu's. You'd have to resize the subpictures to 720x480 also.

You could maybe try changing the ifo for the menu from PAL to NTSC using IFOEdit, and then patching that vob to NTSC using DVD Patcher. This works on some players and not on others.