D2SRoBa Plugin

[tylo]

- OK, my test was one chapter only - then you nearly always get big over/under estimation if not using a high sample %. Yes, the normal Adjust Q shouldn't apply. I'll use 0, or maybe a small negative value.

- I'll put in an extra 'sleep' before starting CCE. btw: I think it's EclCCE who's complaining.

- Found a few bugs in beta1, e.g. I didn't close CCE 2.5 after estimation. Is anyone using 2.50 still? I have also made a fix in order to pick up the right D2S ini file (e.g SVCD.ini) for 1.2.1.b1. However, more testing agains this version must be done.
I'll try to put out a beta2 with the discussed fixes during the weekend.

[DDogg]

Any chance of getting you to look at the edit script problem I mentioned? I went back and edited that message with more detail as you requested.

[telemike]

I still use cce 2.50

Haven't upgraded since it works so well for me as is....

[tylo]

Any chance of getting you to look at the edit script problem I mentioned? I went back and edited that message with more detail as you requested.Yepp, its on my (imaginary) list.

/Result1: The very first edit box can be ignored. I will turn that off.

/Result2: Not so simple. Although I can pick up the Avisynth script that you write, I need to put it in the final pass. (It is regenerated, yes). Have you tried copy paste? Not sure if the clipboard is persistent (edit: it isn't - the plugin changes it
. otherwise this would have worked):

Copy script to clipboard: Ctrl+Home, Ctrl+Shift+End, Ctrl+C.
Replace script from clipboard: Ctrl+Home, Ctrl+Shift+End, Ctrl+V.

Result3: Technically, I think can get hold of the Avisynth script, then programatically paste it into the editor (like described above). There is some work involved, though. :sly:

[telemike]

Tylo-

Here's somehting I would like added.

My situation: shared computer, mad wife, kills DVD2SVCD in the video encoding phase.

When I want to restart, I would like to plug the Q value D2SRoba alredy calculated without having to go thru the whole process again. Any chance of putting in a Fixed Q value selction? thanks.

[tylo]

@telemike: hehe, well sometimes life can be tough.

Just restart the plugin but Tick OFF the 'Delete old RoBa files'. Recover the project. It should only take about a minute or two before the main encoding starts (the sample test encodings will not be done again). Good luck. :)

[r6d2]

@tylo,

My situation: shared computer, mad kids, they play frisbee with CDs.

Can you add a Recover from scratched feature? :)

Seriously... Are you still considering inverting the order of video and audio? It doesn't seem DVD2SVCD is likely to do it. I have some thoughts on the math involved, for if you're interested.

[tylo]

r6d2: Maybe, but I want to get a good 2.5.0 release before
jumping at that. The first part would be to switch audio/video and get it to work as now. Then put in the math for audio bitrate adjustments.

[tylo]

Uploaded v2.5.0 beta2. Pretty much fixes all the problems discussed.
@DDogg: Check out the avisynth edit workaround. :cool:

http://home.no.net/tylo/

[Siku]

@tylo

Is there any plans to include AVI2SVCD support in D2SRoBa? I'd love to see that! :)

Best regards,
Siku

[r6d2]

Originally posted by tylo
The first part would be to switch audio/video and get it to work as now. Then put in the math for audio bitrate adjustments.
@Tylo,

This DDogg script editing stuff put me in fuzzy thinking mode again. Just an idea:

If you check "Edit when DVD2AVI is done" in the Frameserver tab, you pretty much get the complete AviSynth script D2S is going to use. (Except for the frame selection stuff, I think, but which was already done anyway, so it must be somewhere in the INIs).

So, D2Sroba can read this script, shut down D2S and do the video run before audio very cleanly...

Then, when you already made your mind about how much audio tracks and which size based purely on video quality, D2S can be restarted from "Audio Extraction" and all goes clean. You know the Q for RoBa, you know the audio tracks... Everything. Voila!

No need to mess with a fake audio encoding and such.

Any comments?

[tylo]

Originally posted by Siku
Is there any plans to include AVI2SVCD support in D2SRoBa? I'd love to see that! :) You're in luck! Many have requested this, but I suddenly realized that the other changes I made for v2.5.0 would also make AVI2SVCD work! Had to do just a few tiny changes. :D

Uploaded v2.5.0 beta3 - new: AVI2SVCD support! (NB: almost untested)
http://home.no.net/tylo/

@r6d2: That is a possiblility, but my guts feeling is that just temporarily plug in a BeSweet.bat which only registers the arguments given to it and make an empty output file, is the cleanest and simplest approach. But I could be wrong.
BTW: Please PM your toughts for the audio math.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by tylo
@r6d2: That is a possiblility, but my guts feeling is that just temporarily plug in a BeSweet.bat which only registers the arguments given to it and make an empty output file, is the cleanest and simplest approach.
This approach has the indesirable side effect of you having to decide beforehand how many audio tracks you'll take, so they can be extracted. Besides, it begins to be harder for you if you have to support multiple audio BeSweets. I'd rather not dedicate efforts into doing what D2S already does, and does it well!
BTW: Please PM your toughts for the audio math.
Actually, I posted them on the new RoBa Q Finder (v1.2) sheet. Take a look and if they are not clear, PM me.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=365460#post365460

[Siku]

@tylo

Awesome! I'm going to test it right away! :D

Regards,
Siku

[telemike]

beta3 bug reports:

Using CCE 2.50, D2Sroba luanches another session of the plugin instead of luaunching CCE.:(

[r6d2]

Hi, guys,

[Fuzzy Thinking mode ON]

I've been playing with XSVCDs (SVCDs not abiding exactly to the specs).

I've found that if you let Max=9800, the Q function behaves much better in the 1-60 range. It has the shape of a clean negative exponential (even easier to interpolate).

I've found too that even though higher resolutions require more BR, the quantization is exactly the same as in lower resolutions. Look at this table:

Quantization(1) Q for RoBa(2)
Resolution 7 15 30 60 CDx1 CDx2 CDx3
352x480 1,2 1,9 3,6 6,2 57 19
480x480 1,2 1,9 3,5 6,2 31 17
528x480 1,2 1,9 3,5 6,2 34 19
544x480 1,1 1,9 3,5 6,2 38 21
704x480 1,2 1,9 3,5 6,2 55 29

(1) Q.Avg (from BR Viewer) for different Q.factors
(2) Q.factor for RoBa for different number of CDs and indicated res.

This means that for a quality oriented encode with Worst Q=40, if after "?" mode you have, for instance: 2 CDs: Q=31, 3 CDs: Q=17 (line 480x480 above), you see that 2 CDs is the way to go, since the quantization is very low anyway. However, you have another choice: increase resolution.

Lower resolutions are blurry. Higher are sharper. In this case you could even go for 704x480, Q=29 with 3 CDs and get almost a 1:1 copy!

Higher resolutions really rock! We could forget about heavy filtering, motion adaptive stuff, slow sharpen filters, etc. If quality is what you like, this might be the choice.

These are not "cooked" or out of the sleeve numbers :). This is actual actual data from LOTR, 2:50 hour movie with 720x360 film pixel source, passed through standard SemiAuto (no other filtering).

The D2SRoBa plugin might, after finding the Q, increase the resolution and reencode a sample, offering you more useful information for you to make the best choice. Iterate on the resolution!

You may say, gee, if you let Max=9800, video BR will surely go wild at low Qs! The answer is yes, it does, but for Q=30, which is very good, it remains within reasonable values for a XSVCD. For instance, 704x480 in the same movie above will never go above Max=3300 or so.

But, you may say again: XSVCDs are not widely supported. The answer is... Aren't they? We are talking here about 2 faults in not abiding the specs:

1. Resolutions like 528x480, 544x480 and 704x480. Very popular on several players.

2. Video+Audio > 2756 kbps. This number comes from old CD readers being 2x (the spec). But most models built today include at the very least a 4x CD player, which gives a maximum of 5512 kbps, more than enough (where would they get a 2x unit, likely no longer in production, to install in their players?).

A problem remains though: How do we iterate on the resolution? It requires to change the resizing, the cropping, the borders, etc. But maybe worth a thought.

[Fuzzy Thinking mode OFF]

What do you guys think? Any contenders?

[homerjay]

just for information last night using the semiauto with homie script on a 1 hour 53 min film i got a final encoding q value of 33 for a 1cd conversion using version 2.50 beta 3 and new dvd2svcd build

nice work tylo - thankyou

[telemike]

beta 4 bug report:

not launching CCE to do the final encode after caluclating the Q and bitrate. CCE 2.50:(

[tylo]

just for information last night using the semiauto with homie script on a 1 hour 53 min film i got a final encoding q value of 33 for a 1cd conversion using version 2.50 beta 3 and new dvd2svcd build

nice work tylo - thankyouYou're welcome.
beta 4 bug report:
not launching CCE to do the final encode after caluclating the Q and bitrate. CCE 2.50:(Fixed in latest release candidate - 2.5.0 RC1

@r6d2: I think much of that is interesting for DVD2DVD usage, as well. And then we don't need to worry about resizing. XSVCD does not work for my player - I'd rather go for DVDr's. (but, I don't think quality 4x DVDr's will beat the price of two CDRs for quite some time).

[homerjay]

i think r6d2 your discoveries re resolution are v interesting and have played with vcd resolution myself with mpeg2

but surely the overriding objective is to create compliant (s)(c)vcd's and making the program do this would be a step towards the (s)kvcd and its known compatability issues

[r6d2]

Originally posted by tylo
I'd rather go for DVDr's. (but, I don't think quality 4x DVDr's will beat the price of two CDRs for quite some time).
Yes, but to make a comparison pear to pears and apples to apples, you must consider that 1 DVDr would likely fit 3 or 4 movies, thus being equivalent to 6 or 8 CDs.

Also, portable players you take on vacations, which are the size of a portable CD player, don't support DVDr, but they do (X)SVCDs.
Originally posted by homerjay
but surely the overriding objective is to create compliant (s)(c)vcd's and making the program do this would be a step towards the (s)kvcd and its known compatability issues
Compatability is indeed important, you're right. I don't think that new players, though, are becoming more restrictive. On the contrary, reading "anything" is a trend which buys market. As with any technology, standards are not defined by their creators, but for the masses who adopt them.

On the iteration of resolution issue, it would be great if SemiAuto would incorporate a Resolution=[1..5] parameter. It would make the matter a piece of cake.

[tylo]

Surprise feature for you:

I like Gerti's SemiAutoCropAndResize so much that I added support for it in the D2SRoBa plugin, which makes it automatic. I.e. it fills in the detected 'Top' and 'Height' values for you (but you must still switch between the two Avisynth scripts yourself).

Here's what you must do:
- Use latest D2S (1.2.1) only.
- Install SemiAutoCropAndResize if not yet done. The avs scripts must be put in AVISYNTH.INI
- Fix fatal compability bug in Gerti's avs script by following DDogg's description in Gerti's thread.
- In the 'Frameserver' tab, edit the 'AutoDetectBorder' script like the following:
* Copy the AutoCrop(...) line, and put it on the next line. Change the first parameter from 1 to 2.
- Close D2S

That's it. Now:
- Start D2SRoBa. -> opens D2S.
- Select as usual the 'AutoDetectBorder' and preview. When you close the preview window, the top and height is put in the 'SemiAutoCropAndResize' setup. D2SRoBa will automatically select the Frameserver tab if all goes well.

Download latest D2SRoBa plugin (2.5.1) at: http://home.no.net/tylo

I'm off a week, so
Have fun.

[Tyler]

Sorry for my ignorance but how can I remove the plugin, have to change the DVD2SVCD location and the setup didn't install an uninstall routine

thx in advance

[homerjay]

@tyler just delete the folder itself i guess

and have a good break tylo - look forward to trying out the surprise :D

[r6d2]

Originally posted by tylo
- Select as usual the 'AutoDetectBorder' and preview. When you close the preview window, the top and height is put in the 'SemiAutoCropAndResize' setup. D2SRoBa will automatically select the Frameserver tab if all goes well.

Edit: Works like a charm!

[The Belgain]

Is this plugin supposed to work for avi to DVD conversions as well or not? I tried it for this and it didn't work at all. I'm trying to use it for the predictable 1pass VBR to get a movie to fit on 1 DVD-R by the way.

Help much appreciated.

[homerjay]

@the belgian - i did my first 1cd avi2svcd last night and it worked like a charm except for the fact that it created a second mpg file which was only the credits so it wasnt too bad ;)

did you have d2s set for avi before starting plugin or did you change it when it opened ? i was a bit curious about this so closed down after selecting an avi source and restarted the plugin.

but and this was what i was going to post anyway with the last 2 or 3 versions of d2sroba i have ended up with a second mpg while using the same scripts as used previously and was wondering if anyone else has noticed this ?

thanks hj

[The Belgain]

I know it works for avi2svcd, but does it work for avi2dvd? Remember for avi2dvd the image creation process after the encoding is different (uses Scenarist) so maybe the plugin can't correctly run the end of the process after the encoding?

Anyway, until I can get a VBR method with CCE which doesn't come out undersized (see this post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60763 ), I'll just stick with CBR (the quality is not much worse when it is governed so much by the source (DivX or XviD) anyway, and it's faster).

[known_03]

A couple of questions for the D2SRoba gurus out there.

A quick question has the d2sroba_log been removed from the latest version D2SPlugin (2.5.1) ? When I convert using D2SRoba 2.5.1 the it does not produce the log file?

Secondly, what is the difference between RobaMultiPassVBR in dvd2svcd, compared with X-pass roba (d2s) in d2sRoba?

[r6d2]

Originally posted by The Belgain
Anyway, until I can get a VBR method with CCE which doesn't come out undersized (see this post http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60763 ), I'll just stick with CBR (the quality is not much worse when it is governed so much by the source (DivX or XviD) anyway, and it's faster). [/B]
Hi, @The Belgain,

CBR is about size and OPV is about quality. They are 1 pass methods.

The only sure way we know so far to have exactly sized files and edge filled media is to do 2 passes.

Then, the best quality you can get with 2 passes comes from doing a first OPV and a second VBR pass. This is what RoBa is about. If you want to try, use this mode:

X-Pass RoBa: Enables DVD2SVCD's hidden multipass RoBa support. The plugin computes an good initial Q, with a bitrate that is close to the target bitrate. This is important for the RoBa method to work properly.

[DDogg]

A quick question has the d2sroba_log been removed from the latest version D2SPlugin (2.5.1) ? When I convert using D2SRoba 2.5.1 the it does not produce the log file? No, it is still there on all encodes I have done.Secondly, what is the difference between RobaMultiPassVBR in dvd2svcd, compared with X-pass roba (d2s) in d2sRoba? Deceptively simple. Bach suggested the correction factor should be no more than 10%. D2SRoba X-pass RoBa first computes a close approximate to the Q needed to achieve the correct size within a few percent. This Q is fed back to the internal D2S roba process to more precisely allign the second pass.

In effect it is now automating what many of us were doing manually, i.e, using D2SRoBa to predict the Q, then killing it and restarting D2S and using that number as the Q of for the internal RoBa process.

Eventually, it is hoped the plugin or a D2S internal version of the RoBa process will include a conditional that will only do the second sizing pass if it is determined the size is X% too big or too small. This will be the best combination as many times the D2SRoBa prediction process gets it right and the second sizing pass is really not needed.

[The Belgain]

DDogg: I tried using X-Pass RoBa (the option which is enabled in DVD2SVCD, not the external program - is this right?), but the image still came out at about 3 gig.

What settings should I choose for Image Quality priority and for bias (as far as I can make out from the CCE docs they seem to do pretty much the same thing?)? Also, I thought the point of the method was that it calculated the best Q value, so why does it ask you to input one? Are you inputting the initial one that it starts with or something? What value would be about right for DVD video?

Sorry about all these question - I've done a fair bit of DivX/XviD encoding but am fairly new to the (S)VCD/DVD stuff.

Cheers for the help.

[known_03]

Thank for replying to my last post.

Something realy crazy is happening with DVD2SVCD and/or D2sRoba on my machine. I recently downloaded the last of DVD2SVCD and D2SRoba, but for some strange reason D2SRoba is not working, now it is like DVD2SVCD is ignoring it. D2SRoba opens DVD2SVCD ok, but as soon as you are in conversion, no d2sroba_log is being produced nor is it sampling the vob's or finding the Q value. I have been using both tools now for 8 weeks but now D2SROba is not functioning at all?

Has anyone exerienced this problem and/or have a solution. So far I have re-installed the tools and even downloaded earlier versions to see if that was the problem, but still doesnt work?

Why? Everything was working so well once?

[r6d2]

Originally posted by tylo
I like Gerti's SemiAutoCropAndResize so much that I added support for it in the D2SRoBa plugin, which makes it automatic.
I like Gerti's script so much that I added support for fully automated block cropping and non standard resolutions. ;)

Please check at:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=369238#post369238

[DDogg]

known_03, sorry but everything is working fine for me. Try using a basic sizing script. Also, you did not supply much information. I don't have clue what version of CCE, Avisynth, sizing method, SVCD, DVD?, or much to go on to try to help.

[DDogg]

known_03, are you using dvd2dvd? I ask because I am also having trouble at the moment using D2SRoBa in that mode. I don't even know if Tylo is supporting in this version.

[JoLander]

@DDogg,

having the same problems as known_03. I downloaded the latest version of dvd2svcd (1.2.1 B2a). Still have my CCE 2.67 in place.
I want to perform a DVD2DVD conversion and I think even for this the D2SRoba could be very useful.

I start D2SRoba and it calls correctly dvd2svcd.
Everything works fine, but after the CCE process has started, it didn't stop.
It seems that the CCE start is not catched by D2SRoba and is therefore not interrupted.

I hope that Tylo will have a look on that problem, because the DVD2DVD conversion is a useful enhancement to DVD2SVCD.

Greetz,
Joe

[known_03]

DDogg,

Sorry i should have said i'm using DVD2SVCD 1.2.1 b2, CCE 2.67 and D2SRoBa v2.5.1 for encoding DVD-R's.

Yeap I have the same probs described by JoLander.

I will try re-installing DVD2SVCD in dvd to svcd mode and see if that helps. I wouldnt think it would, I thought DVD2DVD mode was just a way of pre-setting DVD2SVCD with for DVD encoding when installing, right?

DDogg can you tell me the late-ish versions of DVD2SVCD and D2SRoba that you have used that work successfully together?

Thanks

[DDogg]

known_03, seems to me now that no combinations allow the D2SRoBa plugin to work with dvd2dvd mode yet. I would think when Tylo gets back he will fix it. I hope so.

No need to reinstall stuff, just go to misc tab and change dvd to svcd if you want to use that mode. The plugin does work fine in svcd mode. Anytime you exit D2S it will save the settings you had in the appropriate INI, ie., vcd.ini, svcd.ini or dvd.ini so nothing gets mixed together.

[lordkinbote]

Do you personally use D2SRoba for all of your SVCD conversions? I have to play around with it more to get more comfortable with it myself. I admit I have only tried to use it on the DVD disc that I was having problems with converting using multi-pass VBR so a smooth X-pass/Multi-pass VBR with it I haven't done yet.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by lordkinbote
[B]Do you personally use D2SRoba for all of your SVCD conversions?
Yes, generally on RoBa mode. I'm kind of full CD freak ;)

I still think it may be improved, though, as I've suggested to Tylo (inverting Audio/Video, Newton's method, etc.) If it was open source I'd have already done that. It's not too hard. But doing it from scratch... No way unless I could think of a really major improvement.

[Trahald]

bug error methinks --

i converted some pure ntsc source (dvd) using d2sroba.. everything went fine except the pulldown step was done. so basically ended up with 29.97 fps video + pulldown. this added frames and didnt sync to audio. all i did to fix was just use the non pulldown file "Encoded_Video_CCE_NTSC.mpv" and muxed it myself with bbmpeg. worked fine. i redid the process using dvd2svcd without the plugin (same ntsc source same settings .) i used [No Deinterlace] setting (i used the edit avs option to add decomb.dll fielddeinterlace()) both times. without the plugin d2s rightfully skipped the pulldown step and just muxed the encoded video. d2s knows from the dvd2avi step not to use forcefilm or ivtc and therefor not to pulldown.

anywho.. maybe someone else noticed to. didnt see anyposts about it tho . but id thought id mention it

thanx

btw - i like the variable resolution idea r6d2

great plugin tylo

[DDogg]

Do you personally use D2SRoba for all of your SVCD conversions? Yes, but I think for a different reason than some. Speed is not an issue for me as my machine can hit 3x real-time on some encodes. Rather, I want to know what quality I will end up with before I go through the aggravation of doing it. I normally start with a simple SemiAuto script with the plugin set for 1% samples. If I see the Q is going to be much above 30, I kill it, add some very light filtering to bring it down and do a restart and repeat all or part of the prediction process. In the meantime I view the D2SRoBa sample mpvs in media player to make sure my filtering is not doing damage. I keep this up till happy, then normally just kill the plugin, restart DVD2SVCD in internal RoBa mode and just use the Q I got from the plugin. I never do a 1pass anymore because it is actually faster for me to use the 1% samples and then do the two pass Roba than to use larger sampling only to find out the size was off.

I should add this method is why Tylo added the Xroba which does just this. You can use 1% samples and that phase will not take long at all. That Q is then accurate enough to feed into the internal D2S RoBa process. This is a very efficient method and I highly recommend the XRoba Method in the D2SRoBa plugin.

The nice thing for the folks that do use the one pass for the speed advantage is IF the size is off you can do a restart in D2S and pick multipass with just 1 in the box. When D2S asks if you want to reuse the vaf say yes. This will then do a sizing pass which effectively gives you the same action as the D2SRoBa plugins XRoba. This assumes you have set up a template in CCE that has "use existing" checked for the VAF.

I continue to lobby for a conditional to be added to D2SRoba or eventually in the internal RoBa which is on the drawing board. There is no reason to always do a 1pass or always do a 2 pass. The second pass is only needed if the size is off. Although that is simple I think a lot of folks are confused about it.

[lordkinbote]

Well, I know I'M confused by what you just said. :D I'll try to let it sink in and comprehend it, mainly by doing some trial and error. Thanks for your opinions.

[DDogg]

Well, I know I'M confused by what you just said. I'm not real clear sometimes ;) What area caused confusion. Let me know how I can make it more clear. RoBa is so cool and simple, but it seems one of those things that folks think is much more complicated than it really is. I did a windbag exercise here (actually 2, see the second), maybe that will help (or just confuse you more :) ): http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59850

[lordkinbote]

You were so right. It DID confuse me more. ;) But, I like the wealth of info. I will mull over it and see what I do understand and what I don't so I can ask a coherent question without sounding TOO stupid. I'm a relative newbie so I usually tend to post everything in the Basic Topics forum. I'm just now starting to creep outside of that little pool and finding the water is VERY deep.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by lordkinbote
[B]You were so right. It DID confuse me more. ;)
Seems that my soon to be released Complete Idiot's Guide will have some demand ;)

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I think Newton would be surprised to find that his root finding method could have so much possibilities.

Looking for a new cyberhome... Any good ones please PM me.

[lordkinbote]

Originally posted by r6d2

Unfortunately, Lycos considered that my activities were "unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, pornographic, libelous, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, hateful, or racially, sexually, ethnically or otherwise objectionable" in nature, and decided to shut down my site without warning.


Wow! ALL that?!? Jeez, you must be some sorta terrorist! I'd be hard pressed to find, on what I saw of your site, anything that even comes close to ONE of those things. Man, they're weird.

[known_03]

r6d2, I'm sure you will find a new cyberhome, i'm one looking forward in reading the idiot guide. Hey, what happened to the dog picture?

While i'm here I have a question for you guys. I just opened a ecl file in CCE that was created by d2s (CCE_Project_file.ecl) and d2sroba (D2SRoBa.ecl), and was suprised that both had "dvd compliant" unchecked, and "Low Pass Filter" checked - set to 8. Even though my progressive CCE template had "dvd compliant" checked and "Low Pass Filter" unchecked.

Is there a reason why d2s and/or roba (in ecl) sets these values by default? What other values are overridden? Thanks.

[DDogg]

[Edit - Add] I don't think you are correct. I can't verify this as I just checked and everything is as it should be. I suspect you may have forgot to make sure the "Use tempalte" was selected. Even though I read your question incorrectly, I'll leave the rest of this up as it may help somebody else. [/edit - Add]

known_03, just set up a template for use in anything past 2.50. D2S made a decision that he could not change the GUI everytime a new change came out in CCE so he added support for templates. You need this anyway to use D2SRoBa or the internal RoBa process as you must have "Use existing" VAF checked. Do NOT check DVD compliant. Do a search for the reasons why (cause I don't remember :) ).

Under template click on standard so that a checkmark is placed on it. Then click again on standard which will bring up the template editor. Select the settings you want to use, change the name of the template and then click "add".

Then when encoding in D2S, just select that template in the advanced settings dropdown box. Check "use CCE template" and select the template you want to use with your settings.

I should add the way matrices are chosen was slightly changed. If you want to use the matrix in your template, chose "Use current encoder default" in the matrix tab of D2S. If you chose a matrix in D2S, it will be used instead of the one in the template.