what settigns for high bitrate video to keep most details

[E-Male]

I´m doing a project using a DVD source and some selfmade things
i want to archive the result on DVD at best quality possible
the parts from dvd should look like not-reencoded because this dvds should also function as a master for recompression to divx or lower bitrate mpeg2
i tried mpeg2 at 9000kb/s CBR (9800 is maximum for standart dvd i think)
but when using SeeTheDifference from avisynth.com i saw that there still are many differences in the encoded mpeg2, especially at edges of all kind
i tried changing some options in CCE but i don´t know much about them, especially that quantization stuff like this matrix is just beyond what i know

so please if those of you who know more about mpeg2 and CCE could give me some help with the settings, that would be very nice

source is a movie, no aniamtion or cgi, also only few scenes have a steady cam most time the backround is moving a little bit
also the result is not interlaced

as input for the test i used an avs file with just mpeg2dec3 for the d2v file, no other parameters

and before i get flamed I do NOT ask "what are the best settings..." i just want suggestions how to get high bitrate mpeg2 look as originally as possible
also i know reencoding always causes a quality loss, i just want to minimize it

thx
E-Male

[RB]

Originally posted by E-Male
i tried mpeg2 at 9000kb/s CBR (9800 is maximum for standart dvd i think)
but when using SeeTheDifference from avisynth.com i saw that there still are many differences in the encoded mpeg2, especially at edges of all kind

Well, MPEG2 is not lossless compression, so you will always have differences that a computer algorithm will catch. Trust your eyes instead. Does it look good? If not, try a 2 pass VBR with settings like 4000/9000/9200 for min./avg./max. bitrate. Make sure intra DC precision is set to 10 bits, check progressive frame flag, ZigZag scanning order and set Quantizer Characteristics to 40. Uncheck all filters in Quality Settings. All of this applies to CCE SP 2.66/2.67, you didn't mention what version of CCE you are using.

[Mug Funky]

FYI, i've found that at high bitrates (9.8Mbps), TMPGENC has a higher PSNR than CCE. this is with all block noise filtering etc. turned off for both encoders.

so if you can afford the full version of TMPGENC, you might want to try that as it seems to keep the sharpness.