Nero Recode Title Disable = Output too big

[DVD Maniac]

Has anyone been able to figure out how to use the Title Disable feature working so that the output Title/Titleset is of minimal MB size?

The ones I have tried with the default "Still" picture .bmp contained with the application files result in large output sizes considerably greater than the 1MB or so that I would expect. Using MackernX's method of Title replacement or Menuedit usually gives you a negligeable Titleset size.

The actual reported file size of the Default .bmp is 1216KB so I don't know why I am ending up with Titlesets 30 - 70MB!

Any ideas????

[DVD Maniac]

OK the explanation is simple, the bitmap is just being inserted instead of the video but is being repeated across the whole length of the original Title! This is rather a stupid feature since the purpose is to remove the space taken up by the Title!

What we need is the ability to replace with a single blank frame (or single bitmap).

Anyone got any cunning ideas on how to make the app do this properly, otherwise its back to a cleanup with Ifoedit and IfoUpdate post process.

Bugger :mad:

[daddy_fizz]

you could try experimenting with different size files/types...

i see that recode can use many different types of pics to import you could just make a 1 by 1 pixel jpeg, gif, etc in photoshop and it might take up less space but i'm not sure how much less...


~Fizz

[DVD Maniac]

I'm going to try a black frame .jpg with the same dimensions and pixel size as the default .bmp and report results.

This is still not the best way of doing this - it would be better of the title and its related vob's are modified so that its a single frame rather than a repeated still graphic. This way you don't need to bother with button modifications as you will just get a quick black frame flashed up indicating the title's been removed.

I've been banging on about this for longer than I can remember. I thought that DVD95Copy had cracked it with the 1.6 beta release but it only does full Titlesets, not single Titles....

It seems we are nearly there with this feature - I do hope this is being worked on for the next release of DVDShrink, DVD95, Recode or whatever - PLEASE! I won't hold my breath for the guys at Pinnacle.

[DVD Maniac]

As I suspected, the resulting Titleset sizes are still larger than I would like (>5MB) but its a definite improvement on using the default .bmp provided in the program.

I can live with it till a better solution with a blank frame replace is developed.

[Arianos]

I always slim my 'original' VIDEO_TS folder by using Menuedit and/or MackemX's way. It only takes about 10 minutes tops, when you get the hang of it. Max VOB filesize, with everything gutted, is 12KB.
THEN I pass it through a 'one clicker' (usually IC7 or CloneDVD).

IMHO, studios use so many ways to make DVDs, it's next to impossible to have a rule of thumb, hence, good, working title removal.
Hint:
I also use DVDShrink and/or CloneDVD to check. They do a thorough integrity test in the beginning. If they don't complain, I know that what I did is 99.9999% 'fussy standalone' compatible.

[DVD Maniac]

This approach is fine for single Title Titlesets where you are ditching the single Title - follow MackernX's guides as you say.

Things are much more complex when you have a multi Title Titleset and you want to either ditch the lot or keep only some of them. If you use the "Delete Playback" way or Vob strip way you are potentially in for problems with Fussy Players - they will hang when you insert the disc because the structure is now corrupted, (This has been discussed extensively in the Ifoedit forum - no fix there!). The only exception to this is if the Disc mastering company has been helpful in providing two or more vob's per title (one of which is usually a blank frame vob often reffered to as a Layer Break vob). In this case you can strip out the main vob of the title and leave the blank frame vob - all will be well.

Currently these are the options if you need to strip all or some of the Titles in a set and you don't have the blank frame vob's in place -

1. Use DVD95Copy - only works though if you are removing ALL the Titles in the set

2. Bugger around with IfoUpdate in the reverse direction and create false IFO's which fool the player into thinking the Titles are still there. This is quite tedious and NOT a 100% solution.

3. The new option - Nero Recode, using my suggestion of a Black .jpg as the replacement otherwise the "Replaced" Titles are not of insignificant size and defeats the object of what you are doing!

As I said, if Recode can be enhanced to replace with a single frame vob (like we do with the MackernX approach) or DVD95 provides Title removal in the same way Titlesets are removed then we will have a proper way of retaining the original structure with minimal MB consumption.

I wait in hope!

[Arianos]

The Ifoedit 'delete playback' does not work for my Philips. It's way too picky.
DVD95COPY has failed me once too often, so, although I'm a registered user, it's out of my armoury.
Nero sounds promising, with your suggestion, but till then? I'm basically lazy and spoiled by now, but i don't see why object to the 'replace-with-blanks' solution. I prefer this 'sure way' than the 'cross my fingers and wait for the transcoding to finish' way
OK, so it's a little manual work, but it's relatively simple:
I am an Ifoedit idiot, but by now I am quite comfortable with MackemX's ways (Of course it still is 'magic' to me :)and I consider him a semi-god!)
I've also been using the registered version of Menuedit for quite some time now, and I have been almost 100% succesfull in 'slimming' down my projects considerably, without any problems in playback and I don't mean one title titlesets only.
Bulky VIDEO_TS.VOBs with warning screens, studio logos and other junk, or VTS_0X_Y.VOBs with endless mandatory trailers, is a thing of the past for me. Selective 'replacement' of VOBIDs is perfect!
Of course, there is always the possibility of being overconfident and 'over-replacing' with blanks. Or there's always a perky DVD with over-complex or double menus. That's where good ol' DVDshrink and/or CloneDVD save me: If my stripped project gets through their checking stage, I know I'm 99.9999% safe. And if it plays on my Philips 743, it plays anywhere :)
I just do a checking after each VOB-IFO process, so if something goes wrong, it only takes about 2-3 minutes to start that stage again, so no big deal.
But of course I wouldn't mind at all, if all that is embedded in a one clicker. So far though, none satisfies me. DVD95COPY was mentioned above, DVDshrink leaves about 5MB for each deleted vob, CloneDVD's grey screen is, well, unsatisfactory. So while waiting...

[DVD Maniac]

Like you, I am very picky about the crap that gets loaded up on the originals and wnat to remove a smuch as possible to keep the movie quality high. Sounds like we are both using the same cleanup techniques prior to feeding to the one clicker. Sometimes though I like to keep the odd extra feature hence my desire for a quick solution.

I have tried the new Menuedit solution and its great for replacement in menu vob's or small Titlesets. However, try giving it a large Titleset vob (1GB or more) and it struggles - I keep getting the "Out of Memory" message and can't fix using Dimad's FAQ solutions.

[Arianos]

Yes, indeed Menuedit sometimes struggles on 1 Gig vobs :)
I had the same problem. In fact, I mentioned it in Menuedit's thread, and after Dimad's suggestion for defragging, it's gone now.
Of course, I still have the odd crashing now and then, but nowhere near as often as before.

[DVD Maniac]

I tried a defrag and no joy, also a reallocation of minimum 1200MB virtual memeory in WinXP still does not work. I hope a fix is being worked on....