Shrink 2.3 and IC7 backup

[glocker]

Hi everyone,

I tried a little experimenting with Shrink and IC7. If anyone can confirm my results please post here.

I decided to make a backup of The Bourne Identity NTSC R1. I chose this DVD due to its large main movie size. I believe it is around 6GB for the movie itself. The whole DVD is around 8GB.

What I did:

I used Shrink 2.3 to strip out the audio and subtitle streams I didn't want to use. I then used Shrink to transcode the Menus and extras to Level 5 Compression. I left the main movie at its original file size. Selected to backup to my HD anyway and let it process.

IC7:

I opened the IFO from the Shrinked folder and set the extra's and menu to 100% then adjusted the main movie to fit to a 4.37GB in the slider bar. I let IC7 do its thing and waited out the result. I expected a crash but none happened. After quite awhile, it successfully completed processing and I used PDI2ISO to make an image. I mounted the image in PowerDVD and watched it. The menus worked great and the movie quality was excellent. The extras also played backed without any flaws.

If anyone can confirm my findings I would greatly appreciate it. I am going to try Tears of the Sun and The Matrix next.

I am using DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink 2.3, IC7(I believe with the latest updates.), and IC7 Hidden Settings Editor set at recommended settings.

Any comments welcome.

Regards,
Glocker

[glocker]

Just finished reviewing Tears of the Sun and my results came out great. The main movie was excellent thanks to IC7 and the menus and extras were still watchable after having transcoding them with Shrink. Final file size was 4.38GB. I will now try The Matrix.

[marnum]

I did Matrix (PAL) at Level 5 in DVDShrink and it came out pretty well. In the fighting scenes there's some macroblocking, but you can only see that if you freeze the movie (on the computer monitor). I couldn't distinguish it from the source when I watched it on the TV-set.

[glocker]

Just finished Matrix NTSC using the Shrink/IC7 method I have been experimenting with. Menus and extras I had set to level 7 compression. I let IC7 take care of the main movie and the total file size was 4.37GB. Movie quality was great. Menus and extras were a little blocky but still very watchable.

@marnum: Are you also using the method I am?

Regards,
Glocker

[marnum]

No, that's 2 weeks ago and I only tried DVDShrink on that..

I can now see what you're doing this for:
DVD-Shrink rips the DVD and compresses the menus in almost the same time as it would take DVD-Decryptor only to create the image file of the DVD. That's quite clever :sly:

I think I'm gonna try this next time..

[Yannis]

I have tried a couple of my titles (previously done with TmpGEnc or CCE) with DVDShrink2.3 and IC7 (used the original disks and not the backups).

IC7 is much better than DVDShrink (despite the *annoying* undersize IC7 problem). Actually, I could not distinguish IC7 from the TMPGEnc/CCE backups.

For IC7, I either strip everything with IFOEdit before feeding the files to IC7, or do full copy (with menus/extras much more compressed than the movie). In the later, I (very happily) remove with IFOEdit the idiotic Warning screens, etc...

[marnum]

ATM I'm doing The Fellowship (PAL) with DVDShrink and IC7..

I've done it with Nero Reencode before and quality was quite poor(transcoding movie at 56% and menu at 55%, keeping everything except audio commentary). Sure, I don't know if I would do better with CCE since I'm quite dumb @ DVD encoding :(


Shrink & IC7: Only transcoding menus (Level 5) and stripping audio commentary in DVDShrink.
That leaves 6 GBs of Video. Good Luck IC7! :D

EDIT:
It's 7 GB Video!

[glocker]

Thank you for your replies, I too just decided to try using Shrink to transcode the menus and extras and using IC7 to do the main movie. It has worked for me on 3 DVD's so far. I plan to try out some of my other DVD's soon.

@yannis: Would you happen to know where I can get a tutorial for IFOedit?...I would like to be able to remove the warnings, studio logos etc., before working the files.

Regards,
Glocker

[DVDRFreak]

Originally posted by marnum
ATM I'm doing The Fellowship (PAL) with DVDShrink and IC7..

I've done it with Nero Reencode before and quality was quite poor(transcoding movie at 56% and menu at 55%, keeping everything except audio commentary). Sure, I don't know if I would do better with CCE since I'm quite dumb @ DVD encoding :(


Shrink & IC7: Only transcoding menus (Level 5) and stripping audio commentary in DVDShrink.
That leaves 6 GBs of Video. Good Luck IC7! :D

EDIT:
It's 7 GB Video!

Strange ?
For testin Nero Recode I did LOTR (complete disk nothing stripped) with Nero Recode and I could not tell the difference between the CCE backup I have and the Nero version.

Can you give an example where there are problems (timecode). I watch a few scenes but could not find any macroblocking. The movie was a little less sharp then the original but so is the CCE version I have.

[marnum]

DVDRFreak:

Yes, maybe I was a bit too quick with passing my judgement over Reencode's results.
I took a look at some scenes and they didn't look that well (especially the one where the hobbits are lying on the floor and Frodo says "Let's get off the street"), but apart from that it was WAY better than IC7.

When I did it with Shrink and IC7 yesterday it looked just horrible on my TFT screen, especially the low contrast scenes (Saruman and Gandalf in Orthanc).

No prob, maybe we should do Shrink and Nero Reencode, it's quicker anyway..

[DVDRFreak]

Originally posted by marnum
DVDRFreak:

Yes, maybe I was a bit too quick with passing my judgement over Reencode's results.
I took a look at some scenes and they didn't look that well (especially the one where the hobbits are lying on the floor and Frodo says "Let's get off the street"), but apart from that it was WAY better than IC7.

When I did it with Shrink and IC7 yesterday it looked just horrible on my TFT screen, especially the low contrast scenes (Saruman and Gandalf in Orthanc).

No prob, maybe we should do Shrink and Nero Reencode, it's quicker anyway..

Few, I thought is was my eyes
:D

What I usally do is strip the movie with doitfast4u and then reauthor it. After that when it is to big I run it trough Nero Recode. (I used to do CCE for 10 hours but with recode I can not find a reason anymore to do this). I do it this way because I want only forced english subtitles and many movies I have done have a combined forced/normal English subtitle stream.

[Yannis]

@glocker:
Mainly the forum and the guides. For instance, to remove the Warnings go and change the "pre-commands" in the main IFO. In the forum you will be able to find some external links to tutorials as well.
Hope this helps.



@marnum & DVDRFreak:
I think LOTR is a bit too long for either transcoding (with IC7, Nero, Shrink, etc.) or re-encoding (CCE, etc). As DVDRFreak said, even with CCE is less sharp, although motion vector quality-drop cannot show from mere still comparisons... Usually, there is much more deterioration with so long a signal being compressed more (which I can see - my opinion only :D ).


For so long movies, splitting is divine !!! (Use IFOedit or DVDFab for that)

[MackemX]

Originally posted by glocker
Thank you for your replies, I too just decided to try using Shrink to transcode the menus and extras and using IC7 to do the main movie. It has worked for me on 3 DVD's so far. I plan to try out some of my other DVD's soon.

@yannis: Would you happen to know where I can get a tutorial for IFOedit?...I would like to be able to remove the warnings, studio logos etc., before working the files.

Regards,
Glocker try these HERE (http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/prepare.htm), they may help

[glocker]

Thank you MackemX, I've had your link in my favorites for a while, but haven't checked them lately. Thank you for the update. I could use your help though. Currently I am trying to make a backup of I Spy R1 NTSC. I am trying to locate the warning that plays after you select the DAR. There is a video that displays a warning in english and I believe in french before it plays the movie. I have tried using Vobrator and IFOedit to find it but haven't been able to. It plays at the beginning of either wide or full screen but doesn't show up in the the corresponding ifo's.

I am also having another problem stripping out the trailers but hopefully you could help me find out about the phantom warning.

Regards,
Glocker

[MackemX]

demux the VOB's you think the warning may be in into separate VOB ID files and then use PowerDVD to play them by just dragging and dropping them into playing window but make sure you have the repeat turned on as some are so small they do not get displayed long enough to see them

you could also use the show information setting in PowerDVD to see what it says during normal playback to give you a hint as to where it could be

I normally find what I wanna keep using this repeat method

[glocker]

MackemX, I've tried demuxing with Vobrator using your method and I still can't find the video I'm trying to strip out. To be more specific, I am trying to strip out the part that says "The views and commentary expressed" that changes to french text before playing the main movie in widescreen format. Also, when I play the full screen version of the movie, it plays those screens and then shows the "The following film has been modified to fit this screen" this I would also like to strip out.

I have already stripped out the unwanted VIDEO_TS.VOB warnings and studio logos and also removed the trailers using your dummy vob guide. (Thanks for the great guide reference!) If you could offer me some advice on this I would be greatly obliged.

Regards,
Glocker

[2COOL]

@glocker

To get a idea where your video clips in question are located, play your original DVD in IFOedit and watch the Status field in DVD Play panel. Use this guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=245500#post245500) to help you. If your clip is a Title, you can reference that in VIDEO_TS.IFO / VMG Overview / Number of Title Play Maps section to get the VTS_* and TTN.

[MackemX]

Hi 2COOL, long time no speak :)

glocker, those guides should do the job to bypass the rubbish but can I ask (might be stoopid to ask), if the bits you want rid of are not actually part of the movie VOB?

I have Spy Kids Region 1 but it's not dual format :(

[glocker]

Well I seem to have found the file but I don't know how to edit it out. I used show information in PDVD to find that it is Title 3, Chapter 1, when it changes to the french text, the chapter changes to Chapter 2. Then it jumps to the main movie. After checking in IFOedit VIDEO_TS.IFO, I found that this titleset is located in VTS_06_0.IFO somewhere. It has two chapters but they both do not playback the message. I'm sure that this is the one. I tried using your guide to remove it but PDVD just seems to idle in that chapter until I right click, select root menu to make it jump to the movie. On a side note IC7, exhibits similar behavior after playing the message, I have to select root menu to make it jump to the movie.

I think that if I strip the entire VTS_06_0.IFO set or replace them with dummy vobs that would do the trick and be an easier way to do it. I think it may also help with the IC7 problem I am having.

Regards,
Glocker