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Master Yoda
26th July 2003, 20:53
I've just setup DoItFast4U,DoCCE4U & ReAuthorist, so when i come to do a dvd and i have hdd space i will give it ago.
I have read the guide on this site but i have a few question's....

1. Once the files have been rip how do i load them into DIF4U or do i have to create a iso and then mount it, if so how do i mount it as i have'nt mounted a image before.

2.Once in dif4u forcefilm i dont need ticked as i'll be doing pal dvds, but whats ivtc and do i need to tick deinterlace if the movie is a interlaced movie, as before when ive encoded movies with cce if its a progressive movie i encode it progressive, if it was interlaced i encode interlace, never used deinterlaced of ivtc.

3.Under working directory do i need to tick demux by vob id or cell id or is this for movies like T2.

4.The guide said to use 15 as the image priority, is it ok to change that to 10 as thats what i use when useing cce.

Last but not least whats the max bitrate i should use for the extras if i feel they need re-encodeing.


Thanks for your time.

One more thing, how much hdd space will i need as the guide said it will deplex everything that was selected for processing.

killingspree
27th July 2003, 14:16
hi,
ad 1) It is recommended to rip to an iso file and then mount this iso file using deamon tools. This is very simple, after installing deamon tools you'll have an icon in the task bar. right click it, select virtualcd/dvd rom in the menu and navigate to the ripped iso file.

di4u can rip directly from the DVD but i have gotten some serious problems after ripping directly...
ad 3) demux by vobid/cellid is only necessary for special movies. basically all movies that include multiangle parts or seamless branching (T2) have to be done this way. Be aware of the fact though that Reauthorist cannot handle those movies right now. so you will have to do everything from bitrate calc to encoding and reauthoring 'by hand'!

space: take the calculations below... they should be better than the ones i scratched together :D - although, in my eyes those are absolute the maximum you will need!

hope this clarifies some points
steVe

Kedirekin
27th July 2003, 14:26
1. mount an ISO image (actually, you should rip to an image using DVDDecryptor). This is the advice of the masters, and it is strongly recommended that you use an image.

To mount an image, simply right-click on the Daemon Manager icon in your system tray and select Virtual CD/DVD-ROM drive -> Device[0] -> Mount Image.

2. IVTC is Inverse Telecine. To my understanding, you should never apply IVTC to PAL movies - it is strictly for NTSC. If the original source is progressive, then I certainly wouldn't de-interlace. Beyond that, I think that de-interlace is up to you (personal preference). However, if the source is interlaced and you don't de-interlace, you run the risk of having the wrong field order in the final result - with consequent stuttering playback on your TV (and with no way to check for stuttering playback on your PC, this is a pretty irritating problem). On the other hand, you can fix wrong field order fairly easily without having to re-encode.

3. Demux by VOBID or CELLID is only for really complicated titles. For many (most?) titles, you want to demux by PBC - it's a lot easier. I can't really tell you more, because I haven't learned it myself yet.

4. I don't think there'll be much of a difference between 10 and 15, but I also see no reason you shouldn't use what you are used to.

You should expect that a start-to-finish re-author with the big 3 will need 30 to 40 GB of HDD space, partly depending on the size of the original DVD.
- ~9 GB for original ISO image
- ~9 GB for demuxed assets
- ~5 GB for re-encoded assets
- ~5 GB for muxed output from Scenarist
- ~5 GB for merge (merging original unprocessed assets with Scenarist output)
- ~5 GB for final ISO image

Master Yoda
27th July 2003, 15:30
OK Cheers lads.

As to my question 2. Deinterlace i proberly wont use to convert from interlaced to progressive as ive never had a wrond field order with cce before.I use bitrate viewer to check the original, if it says top field first i tick the top first option in cce..

Now i do have a couple of R1 titles.I know that if its film i have to tick forcefilm and add a pulldown to the m2v after, but what would i use ivtc for.?

Kedirekin
27th July 2003, 20:55
You use IVTC to recover the progressive frames from a film (or cell) source that has been telecined.

Telecine and IVTC are topics that defy quick explanation, or quick understanding. Fortunately there are already dozens of explanations out on the web, so I don't have to try to explain it. Just do a search in Google.

For example, a quick search in Google for 'IVTC Explained' turned up this site.
NTSC, PAL & Interlace Explained (http://nickyguides.digital-digest.com/interlace.htm)

Master Yoda
28th July 2003, 00:44
Ok ive read that.So from my understanding and reading the help file in dif4u i dont have to tick deinterlace if my pal movies are interlaced, i only tick it if i want them converted to progressive which i see no real reason to do..

IVTC and Forcefilm i wont be messing about with at the mo as i've only got a couple of R1 titles.

influenza
28th July 2003, 07:39
As for when to demux by vobid: I think it's explained quite well on trilights site : http://dvdguides.trilight.net . What's it basically comes down to is that whenever vobids are used throughout multiple pgcs (except clips of only a few frames) it has to be demuxed by vobid and thus reauthorist cannot be used.

Most movies can be done by pgc but I've seen quite a few that needed vobid reauthoring.