Ripping to Real 9

[Guyanthalas]

I tried searching for this question, and didnt find anything. If someone has already posted a question similer to this a link to that thread is all i need. Thanks!

I collect cartoons, and in order to store them effectivly i conver them into real media format (I personally hate the player, but i love the small file sizes).
For the most part i've downloaded clips, ripped them off my tivo.. but now (after buying season 1/2 of Family Guy) i want to replace my old rips with newer higher quailty DVD rips.
I've seen several programs out there that automatically do it for you, but i'm finding that the file size is not as small as i would like (rougly 35-40mb / 30 min episode). I ended up scrapping the automatic real video programs, and using Helix Producer Plus (its the one with a GUI that costs lots of money, correct me if i'm wrong).
at any rate.. i can't just take a .vob file and directly rip it into real media due to the fact that HPP does not read .vob. this is understandible, not suprising, but midly irritating.
So currenlty i'm ripping the DVD into SVCD format, and then taking the resulting mpeg2 stream (.mpg) and converting to real media, using a low quality voice audio and about 192kb video.. resulting in a 225kbps stream.
Well this works very well, and produces a decent looking file at the desired low file size. but it takes rougly 6 hours to encode 22 minutes (some hyperbole).... and that is slightly rediculous.
If anyone has a better way to take a .vob and convert to .RM w/o using "Automated" programs, i would really appreciate the instruction. Thank you much!

Also, i've been experimenting with the free command line producer, and notice that it produces slightly larger files then the GUI version of Producer Plus. Its not a signifigant amount, (19,634,664 vs. 19,946,355) but then again i'm using small video files and this could be a lot if your re-encoding a larger movie file.

Wow.. thats a whole lotta typing.... thanks for your help guys!:D

[31 Flavas]

I hate to be one of these people, but do a little searching on this forum and espically read the Real Information thread stickied at the top. A lot of your questions have already been answered, including how to make RealOne behave nice.

You should be using DVD2AVI to make your .d2v file, BeSweet or headAC3 to convert the .ac3 file to .wav, and an .avs file to link them together and do any croping / pre-filtering you want. You then open the .avs file in HPP.

HPP won't directly encode your .vobs becauce you need an mpeg-2 decoder. Software (or hardware) dvdplayers won't pass the decoded video and audio, because they don't want dvds being copied!

But, there is a directshow filter for .vob's called Moonlight MPEG and AC3Filter to decode the audio (decrypt the .vob's of course, too). It allows exactly what you want, load .vob's into Producer. The draw back is you need to do stream processing (so everything is in one file and so the vob only has one audio file) and hard drive partion formated with NTFS. If your harddrive is formated FAT your maximum filesize is 2GB (or is it 4?).

Both methods have been explained, do some searching and reading :)

NTFS and FAT are file systems Windows run on, the later being outdated, but largly still in use. I do not know if WinXP defaults to formating the harddrive with NTFS. It is easy to tell if your harddrive is formated NTFS. Just right click on harddrive and click properties.

[MaXiMuS]

try AutoRV (http://rackspeed.he.net/~adntat/dark/) ....

works for me

[SeeMoreDigital]

I agree with 31 Flavas

The info you require is within the forum somewhere. I know, because a co-worker of mine asked about it in May/June of this year.

That said, we have had great success converting .vob files to RMV9 files using Helix Producer.

However, we use DVDdecrypter first to generate and obtain a continuous .vob file that incorporates either a 2Ch or 6Ch audio stream.

You will also require the 'Moonlight-Elecard MPEG2 Player v2.1' installed. Which is avialable here: -

http://www.elecard.com/download/

And you will also require the 'AC3Filter v0.68b' installed. Which is available here: -

http://ac3filter.sourceforge.net/


Now, as I don't encode cartoons or animes I don't know how well they compress. So I'm not sure if you can get away with 40MB per 30min - but I know a man who does!

Have a look at some of Sirbers most recent posts. You should find some really useful info there.

Good luck!

[31 Flavas]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital

Now, as I don't encode cartoons are animes I don't know how well they compress. So I'm not sure if you can get away with 40MB per 30min - but I know a man who does! You're going to have to sacrifice some resolution, 448x336 I found was ok, but RV9 is plenty capable to make good rips at 40meg an episode. Use EHQ, 220k-240k video and 44k high response stereo.

[unmei]

concerning the large vobs,
with avisynth you can use chopped vobs.
something like Mpeg2Source("El-H15.d2v", cpu=6, iPP=true) will do it. Helix producer happily eats .avs (avisynth) files.

(this does not mean you should format as FAT in you can use NTFS :P )