Errors with Big3, Line21, Video Pauses-Jerks-Continues

[BinaryBin]

I'm using newest of the Big 3, I was trying to make a backup of Leon The Professional, and I noticed these errors in scenearist

Error Line21 at 00:16:58:29 or 00:00:00:00 is across the cell boundary(cell #3 and #4).
Error Line21 at 00:22:32:05 or 00:00:00:00 is across the cell boundary(cell #4 and #5).
Error Line21 at 00:33:54:06 or 00:00:00:00 is across the cell boundary(cell #7 and #8).
Error Line21 at 01:34:26:13 or 00:00:00:00 is across the cell boundary(cell #24 and #25).
Error Line21 at 01:47:40:11 or 00:00:00:00 is across the cell boundary(cell #26 and #27).
Error Line21 at 02:01:23:22 or 00:00:00:00 is across the cell boundary(cell #30 and #31).

At first I didn't pay much attention to it, as I was hoping it wasn't anything Big, I Compiled, and everything seemed ok, I was going through the video with PowerDVD, and by chance I come across a scene where the video pauses for about 1sec, and then continues, like it pauses, jumps a few frames forward, and then continues, at first I thought maybe a bad encode, so I muxed the video and audio together myself with muxing tools, and the problem wasn't In the original video files, SO it came after being compiled, so I delete the Reauthorist file, and re-did the author button, then re-did the scenerist, and compiled, and Exact same thing in the same place. I read around the forums, and saw that line21 had to do with close captioning. So I went into the folders, and moved the .SCC file from the SUBS folders, then I went back into reauthorist, and hit the author button again, this time it wouldn't put in the Close Caption files, as they don't exist anymore. So now, same steps, compile, and this time, it plays Fine without that glitch.

Is this a bug in reauthorist? Scenearist? or something else?

I tried doing We Were Soldiers, but this time I got this error

Error Class(Display Stop) Tag(Start Time To Video, -255839543) failed to paste

again, i ignore it, hope everything turns out for the best. it compiles, and check with PowerDVD again, and i'm going around the movie, and I see the same glitch that happened in Leon The Professional. Like a pause, jumps a few frames foward, and then continue. Again, i delete it, and re-compile, and same exact thing.

This one also has those SCC files in the subs folders, I open up the ReAuthorist.SCP file, but this time, i don't see any references to the close caption files, and it doesn't seem to be adding it. Maybe thats why I get no line21 errors this time, so doing the trick i did last time, of moving and getting rid of the close caption files, didn't work. It has to be something else causing this, So what could be causing these video glitches, and errors in scenerist. And no its not the encode, The video before compiling plays Perfect, its after its passed through scenerist.



Scenerist version is 2.7.0.0241

I'm sure this happened to alot of people and they don't even know it, and who knows how many times it happens in the movie, as I havn't watch it all the way through, As it was Luck that I ran into those scenes that it happens in. I have no idea if those glitches also occur on a Standalone, but happening in a software dvdplayer is bad enough :P

Any Ideas? That could help me, has anybody else ran into these errors, or problems?

Phew, talk about one long ass post :D Sorry about that.

Overall, I think the problem is Reauthorist, Its got to be doing something wrong, As I think if I do it manually, as if we never had Reauthorist, it'll come out fine. I'll do this tomorrow to make sure, because right now... i'm tired.

[aquabubble]

Hi BinaryBin,

I'm aware of the import errors that sometimes occur when importing closed captions. It is rather bizarre, but I'm looking into why it happens and how to fix it. You may be right about these errors affecting the playback of your DVD.

As for this error:

Error Class(Display Stop) Tag(Start Time To Video, -255839543) failed to paste

...this is on importing the subpicture stream. I have found that this is nothing to worry about - all the subpictures appear to be intact. I would say it's one of Scenarist's eccentricities.

I really don't know why you get these video glitches though. Which version of Leon The Professional are you attempting. The International (uncut) version is one of the DVDs I have been testing with and I don't get any such behaviour :confused:

[BinaryBin]

Yup, Its the Uncut Version, have you watched the whole video with PowerDVD or some other dvd software. I don't know if it happens on a standalone, and its rather luck I ran into the scenes in the software dvd players, Leon's a long movie to watch from beginning to end :P You might also have the glitch and not know it. I would burn it to a dvdrw and see if it also happens on a standalone, but I don't have a dvdrw disc at the moment, i'll try to get one soon. and test. I don't have the files to leon anymore, as i just completely deleted it all and gave up :P I was going to try We Were Soldiers and then go back and Re Do leon completely.

I'll do some more testing with We Were Soldiers and get back to ya.

[BinaryBin]

Aquabubble, what version of scenerist are you using?

[aquabubble]

I use both versions 2.6 and 2.7 without problems. I haven't actually watched the reauthored version all the way through, but I've watched 2-5 minutes at a time at various points in the movie. When does the problem normally manifest itself?

[BinaryBin]

Are you using this version 2.7.0.0241?

In Leon The Professional, I no longer have it, so i don't know the exact time stamp where it happens, but I can describe it, see if you can find the scene. Its close to the end, Where she and leon are going door to door to kill those people, its that last one, where she goes, and the guy starts shooting at the door, and leon saves her, and he pulls out a grenade, and says "heyyy, what about the ring trick.. know that one?" :P i've watched it so many times, i've actually started saying that line to my friends, doh. anyways, right when the grenade goes off, and leon and she move to the side, and she gets all shooken up, and they pan up to leon and he looks to the Right, (our right, His left) is when it happens. I'm still trying to get We Were Soldiers to work correctly, doing more testing, and will get back to you tonight.

And I thank you greatly for making such an awesome program as Reauthorist, when you've done big ass layouts by hand, you tend to love what reauthorist does, and praise the heavens for such a gift :D

Was using PowerDVD XP to view that.

[BinaryBin]

Alright, After alot of testing, guess what i found out, (testing with We Were Soldiers), remember when I said I had gotten those video glitches, well i did alot of testing, re-compiling project over and over, multiplexing ect ect, hours on end, and finally, Here is what i found. In the right bottom panel, the DATA panel, when you double click on say the main video, then the middle changes to settings for that DATA file, IE. you can change drop type to Drop Frames, ect. Alright, now when you scroll down, there is the Line21 Switch1, With this checked, i don't get that glitch, with this Not Checked, i get the glitch! I tested this over and over and over, so trust me. With it checked, fine, with it not checked, not fine. I had also tried this, i dragged and dropped the unencoded main video file, the direct demuxed video file before encode, into scenerist.
And you double click on it, scroll down, and what do you see...

Line21 Switch1 is CHECKED!! uh oh, automatically scenrist knows this should be checked, thats how i knew, that was the first thing i did, i dropped it in, see wtf could be different, oh wait, look line21 switch1 is checked, but no line21 file1, hmm.. weird, maybe nothing, let me try it with the encoded video, drop it in, double click... check line21 switch1.. leave line21 file1 emtpy.. compile.. what do you know, it works!!! talk about insane

Ok, in the end, scenrist some how knew that the original file was Line21 Switch1 checked. weither all dvds are like this or not, i have no idea, but if scenrist can tell, we going to have to find a way to tell also, so that Reauthorist Can Check that Switch when its suppose to be checked. (unless its always suppose to be checked, then all Reauthorist has to do is Check the switch and all is good)

Confused on wtf i just said, let me know, i'll try to clear it up later, but tired as can be :P

edit - When dropping in The original video files before encode, the Line21 Switch1 didn't have checks, they just said YES, which means they were to be checked, and the Line21 File1 is empty, which are both Unchangeable,they are locked as that. I even tried with the extras, dropped them in, and line21 switch1 says YES on them also...

any idea aquabubble? maybe gotta always turn that On, weither you got a Line21 File1 file or not. who knows.

[BinaryBin]

Does nobody care? Aquabubble, whats your stake on it, your opinion. This is pretty serious, it may only happen once through out the movie, and only on software players. (as i havn't looked through the entire movies, nor tried to play it on a standalone, but that doesn't matter, That once in a movie, on a software player is BAD enough) Like i said, I found what seem to fix it, read above.

Like i said, if you throw the original de-muxed video file (the video file from the dvd, before you encode it) you will notice that after scenerist processes, and you double click on it, the info in the middle panel, says Line21 Switch1: YES

So by then Checking Line21 Switch1 for All Video files in the project, it then worked perfect. This isn't just one movie this happened on, its happened on 2, but thats only cuz i've only done 2 so far, it might happen on All dvds. If the original DVD has Line21 Switch1 marked as YES, then the encode should also, or so it seems by my testing.

Aquabubble, if having Line21 Switch1 Checked and Line21 File1 Empty Effects Nothing at all, then why not Always Check it. If it hurts nothing, then it being checked On all the time, can only help. Am I wrong? or does having it checked effect other stuff? Or cause Problems if checked?

Again, Let me say that I love what Reauthorist does, its wonderful, and thank you for all your hard work in making it :)

[aquabubble]

Hi binarybin,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I've been afk for a few days...

Thanks for your perseverence with testing this problem. I have to say I am most taken aback by your results. First of all, if you use your unreencoded video and your dvd contains closed captions, then Scenarist will detect this and set the line21 flag. ReAuthorist also does this if you don't re-encode your video (set the %age size slider to 100%). However, if you re-encode your video then the closed captions information is lost. In this case, RA only checks the line21 flag and file name if it detects you have extracted out the closed captions information. It really doesn't make any sense to me why you should get stuttering video when you have no closed captions at all. I have no explanation. In fact, nobody else has reported such behaviour as you have seen.

However, I must take your results at face value. I will consider adding an option to RA to set this flag even if your video is re-encoded. Before I do this though, I need to research whether this will have any undesirable effects.

I would be interested in finding out whether your stuttering happens on all your movies and if it then happens on a standalone - would you be prepared to test this latter question?

Many thanks! :D

[BinaryBin]

I will do the extra testing, going to cost me, but I think its well worth it, to get reauthorist to its best.

Just a note of some recent testing, I had thought checking Line21 Switch1 all the time would do no harm. Well guess what I found out. I had went ahead and checked all Videos with line21 Switch1. As I had said before, this Fixed the problem for the main movie. BUT, I was then later going through an extras video clip, and I had saw that glitched i mentioned before. And I couldn't believe it, was nooooo. arhhh the horrors in testing :P anyways, so i went back to scenerist, and now i'm working with just that extra, This time its reversed, IF line21 switch1 is checked, then glitch, if unchecked, no glitch. So freakin weird.

There is a difference between the main video and the extras though, so maybe that has to do with it. Main video is Progressive and Extra was Interlaced... although those are the originals, cuz after re-encoding arn't they all progressive?

I know none of this makes any sence at all, its the weirdest thing ever, how the heck can Having Line21 Switch1 checked, a thing that has to do with Close Caption, have anything AT all to do with the way the video is played. Just doesn't make sence, its driving me nuts :P I've even deleted everything and redone the entire thing again, re-encoding, reauthoring, ect ect and its the same results.

I have a feeling that this glitch does not occur on a standalone, the reasoning is like you said, nobody else has said anything. But I will do some more testing, and I will test it on 2 standalones.

Give me a few days, and i'll be back with my results. Thanks for responding.

EDIT - Just Noticed
You said if Reauthorist sees that it has a CC file, then it will check it and add this to the scenerist file... well that doesn't seem to be working in this case. This is the CC file right?

VTS04\subs\VTS_04_VSUB_P1A1.sub.cc.raw\VTS_04_VSUB_P1A1.scc

well its there for main movie, and all the extras, So why isn't it getting added to the scenerist project file.

Although I This has anything to do with all of this, just letting you know.

[BinaryBin]

Well, the glitch does not happen on Standalones, tried it in 2 different standalones, plays fine. That explains why nobody else has reported this. So I guess its just a software player only glitch. Weird as hell, doesn't make any sence. But if its just limited to doing it in software players, then ah well, atleast it doesn't do it on standalones, which you going to be watching it at mostly anyways, just kinda sucks that it does that in software players.

[Eyes`Only]

just as a note, i also have not seen the CC auto-added to the scp.