Subtitles sync

[CrazyPortuguese]

I've already tryed to look for some topic about this but didnt find anything that could help me.

I'm trying to convert to svcd [PAL] from a NTSC avi source using external subtitles but the subtitles arent sync with the audio and video, I tryed this with 2 diferent movies and even tryed moving one line that says 25fps true or something like that to the end but didnt solve, I tryed in virtual dub do extract the audio and then de video and remuxe it even toght the audio seems to be well compressed.
In BSplayer the subtitles are perfectly synced with the audio so it must be something from svcd.

[CrazyPortuguese]

Here is a log copy.
Really apreciate any help

WNASPI32.DLL 0.0.0.0
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- 09-06-2003 5:30:13
- AVI to SVCD Conversion
- AVI2SVCD ver. 1.1.3 build 2
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

Saving Subtitles ini file
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- 09-06-2003 5:30:57
- Free on drive D: 56510.33 mb
- AUDIO Extraction
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Audio extraction finished.

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- 09-06-2003 5:31:33
- Free on drive D: 56491.07 mb
- AUDIO conversion
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Encoding Audio. Filename: D:\Dvd2svcd\Extracted_audio_1.ac3
Executing BeSweet. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe" -core( -input "D:\Dvd2svcd\Extracted_audio_1.ac3" -output "D:\Dvd2svcd\Encoded_audio_1.mp2" -logfile "D:\Dvd2svcd\Encoded_audio_1.log" ) -azid( -L -3db -c normal -s surround -g max ) -ota( -r 23976 25000 ) -2lame( -e -b 192 -m s )
Audio conversion of D:\Dvd2svcd\Extracted_audio_1.ac3 finished.

Audio conversion finished.

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- 09-06-2003 5:42:49
- Free on drive D: 56483.16 mb
- Converting Pictures
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Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Converting: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DefaultLastCD.bmp
Finished converting pictures
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- 09-06-2003 5:42:59
- Free on drive D: 56483.16 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
Permanent subtitles.

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 833239988
AudioSectors: 83385120
VideoPAPO: 11615652
ScanOffsetBytes: 102689
SeqAligningBytes: 6526444
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 731610079.47
Seconds: 3427.96
CalcMPEGStream: 731610079.47
Frames: 85574
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 1
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 85574
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 2
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 1707
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
Import("D:\Dvd2svcd\RESAMP~1.AVS")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\AVISYN~2.DLL")
AVISource("D:\EMULED~1\THE_RE~1.AVI",False)
ConvertToYUY2()
AssumeFPS(25,1,True)
BicubicResize(480,576,0.0,0.6)
AvisynthSubtitler("D:\Dvd2svcd\","permsubs.txt")
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

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- 09-06-2003 7:26:22
- AVI to SVCD Conversion
- AVI2SVCD ver. 1.1.3 build 2
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Initializing
Initializing finished.

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- 09-06-2003 7:26:23
- Free on drive D: 56869.80 mb
- Crash Recovery
- Restarting from: Video encoding
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- 09-06-2003 7:26:27
- Free on drive D: 56869.80 mb
- Video Encoding using Cinema Craft
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Saving Subtitle Timecodes.
Permanent subtitles.

Executing Cinema Craft Encoder.
StreamSectors: 833239988
AudioSectors: 83385120
VideoPAPO: 11615652
ScanOffsetBytes: 102689
SeqAligningBytes: 6526444
DVDBytes: 0
VideoEndHeader: 4
SubtitleSectors: 0
EmptySectors: 238.00
PictureSectors: 300.00
PureMPEGStream: 731610079.47
Seconds: 3427.96
CalcMPEGStream: 731610079.47
Frames: 85574
CDSize: 800.00
Number of CDs: 1
Cut point 795.00
Variable Settings:
Frames: 85574
Anti Noise Filter: Off
Passes: 2
Image Quality: 17
VAF file creation: On
Video Encoding Mode: Multipass VBR
Min. bitrate: 300
Max. bitrate: 2530
Avg. Bitrate: 1707
Aspect Ratio: 4:3 (No borders, encoded as 4:3)

---AVS Begin---
Import("D:\Dvd2svcd\RESAMP~1.AVS")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\Mpeg2dec\MPEG2D~1.DLL")
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\DVD2SVCD\AVISYN~1.5PL\AVISYN~2.DLL")
AVISource("D:\EMULED~1\THE_RE~1.AVI",False)
ConvertToYUY2()
AssumeFPS(25,1,True)
BicubicResize(480,576,0.0,0.6)
AvisynthSubtitler("D:\Dvd2svcd\","permsubs.txt")
ResampleAudio(44100)
----AVS End----

Closing program
CCE Max Speed: 2.170
Video Encoding finished.

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- 09-06-2003 8:22:05
- Free on drive D: 57211.79 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
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- 09-06-2003 8:22:07
- Free on drive D: 57211.79 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\Dvd2svcd\ChangeCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 09-06-2003 8:22:11
- Free on drive D: 57211.79 mb
- Converting Pictures from ES to PS
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\Dvd2svcd\LastCDPicture.bmp.mpg"
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- 09-06-2003 8:22:15
- Free on drive D: 57211.79 mb
- Multiplexing and cutting
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Saving bbMPEG settings: C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\default.ini
Offset in Seconds: 2
Executing bbMPEG.
Variable Settings:
Movie offset: 2 seconds
Cut point: 795 mb

Executing RunbbMPEG. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe" "D:\Dvd2svcd\bbMPEG_Muxed_File.mpg"
Multiplexing and cutting finished.

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- 09-06-2003 8:25:49
- Free on drive D: 56418.80 mb
- Determining length of audio
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Analyzing: D:\Dvd2svcd\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
3420.456 seconds D:\Dvd2svcd\bbMPEG_Muxed_File00.mpg
Analyzing finished.

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- 09-06-2003 8:26:49
- Free on drive D: 56418.80 mb
- Creating CD-Images using VCDXBuild
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- No. of chapters to create: 11

CD image #1: CD_Image_File_CD1.bin

Executing VCDXBuild. Commandline:
"C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\VCDXBuild.exe" --verbose --cue-file="D:\Dvd2svcd\CD_Image_File_CD1.cue" --bin-file="D:\Dvd2svcd\CD_Image_File_CD1.bin" "D:\Dvd2svcd\VCDXBU~1.XML"
CD-Image creation finished.

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- 09-06-2003 8:29:19
- Free on drive D: 56418.99 mb
- SVCD Creation finished!
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[da franksta]

have you tried urusoft subtitle workshop to change subs from 23,976 to 25 fps?

[CrazyPortuguese]

Well I've downloaded Subtitle Workshop and loaded the subtitles and in "Input FPS:" says 25FPS the same in "FPS" so I think the subtitles were already at 25FPS.

[CrazyPortuguese]

I've noticed now that in the begining the subtitles are sync but then they start to loose sincronization.

[CrazyPortuguese]

Well I give up have tryed everything resinstalling dvd2svcd and deleting the settings, but I've tryed at least 3 different avi files and I get exacly the same problem with the subtitles sync.
Anybody can recomend me an other program to do avi to svcd with external subtitles ?

[smiller667]

I can't see which subtitle format you are using ... depending on the type (like srt), there is no way to tell the framerate of the subs, thus any fps displayed would be just a default assumption.
As you are doing ntsc -> pal & the subs are well synced in your source file, you should do the pal-speedup step & see if it solves the problem (I am pretty confident :)).