IFOUpdate after Reauthorist

[SVCD4Me]

Am I the only one who has screwed up doing this part?

For the last 6 hours I have been trying to get Die Another Day to play past 1 hour 8 min 47 seconds. Every time it would just lock up.

I finally figured out what I did wrong was in IFOUpdate. I was doing the following...

(CORRECT)Original IFO: IFO from DIF4U VIDEO_TS directory
...Makes sense, can't screw that part up...
(INCORRECT)Authored IFO: IFO that I transfered to the Recompile Directory before creating an image.
...DUH!!!
(CORRECT)[/I]Authored IFO[/I]: IFO in the \0 directory that Scenarist created.
...Well that makes a little more sense, if you think about it (which I didn't for quite some time)...

This was my first official backup keeping the structure in tact except for some audio/sub tracks, but I can't help but feel semi-stupid. Anyway, just posted this mainly in case some other n00b has the same problem as me and does a search ;)

Maybe Doom9's guide is a bit confusing to people like me who have never tried to do it without the 1 click tools. It does say "Select the path of the original IFO file to be updated under Original IFO Path (DIF4U put this in the corresponding VTS folder for you, it's the same file as on your DVD disc)" which I did, but I didn't take into account that I moved the same file to the Recompile directory that was also suggested and thats the one that counts when the image is created.

Hopefully thats not too confusing because I'm really tired.

[stanleycup]

Yup, I did that mistake the first time I backed up a DVD using
this method. The guide is slightly confusing when it explaining
how to use IFOUpdate. Probably my mistake because I had never used
IFOUpdate before.

What I do is copy the original VIDEO_TS directory (DI4U created this)
and the IFO files from the Scenarist folder to separate backup
directories (in case you make a mistake, you still have the
original files to start over again with IFOUpdate).

I then apply IFOUpdate to all IFO files in the original DI4U VIDEO_TS
folder and the Scenarist folder. The IFO files in the DI4U
VIDEO_TS folder gets updated. I then copy all the .VOB files that
Scenarist created to the DI4U VIDEO_TS folder.

I had a couple of problems where the main menu of the DVD didn't
play in some my DVD players after using IFOUpdate. I had to use
IFOEdit and apply the "Get VTS Sectors" (after I had used IFOUpdate)
to make the main menu show up properly on my DVD players. Not sure
if this is a bug in IFOUpdate or not.

These threads mention this problem using IFOUpdate.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54960

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55029

[Doom9]

when was the last time you looked at that guide?
now it says Select the path of the original IFO file to be updated under Original IFO Path (DIF4U put this in the corresponding VTS folder for you, it's the same file as on your DVD disc), then set the Authored IFO Path to the corresponding IFO file Scenarist has created for you, make sure there's a valid Backup IFO path but before you press Update IFO let's have a look at the options first:
and there's another paragraph that explains when to ifoupdate and when not to. It's still not perfect so there are going to be more changes, but the screenshot shows the authored ifo in the 0/VIDEO_TS/ directory so that part should be clear.

Now that Scenarist is no longer preventing people with too little Scenarist knowledge to do proper backups to make such backups the ifoupdate steps seems to be problem number one, but nobody has yet managed to give an ifoupdate description that always works and that people will understand even if they don't bother looking at the directory listings and thinking really hard what the written words mean (I have to admit, the procedure is only straightforward after you've successfully done it one time, but thist mostly means that people who think about what they're doing before they do it managed to get it right whereas people who just click may have a problem). So, if you have a works-for-all solution feel free to share it.

[SVCD4Me]

@Doom9: I assure you no offense was meant towards you. I know I as well as other people greatly appreciate you making a guide for this procedure. I was simply blaming my inexperience and pointing out how green I was.

P.S. The screen shot shows the dir (for authored IFO), but to tell you the truth I didn't know if that was the one that you were using to recompile or the one that you ripped to. I'm sure everyone uses different varieties of dirs. I did it the wrong way every way possible until I got it right...

If I were to write that section, now knowing what I know, here's what it would say:

"Once it is done start up IfoUpdate"[Doom9]
There are 3 files that need to be selected.
Original IFO Path, Authored IFO Path, and Backup IFO Path. Pay attention!!!
Original IFO Path is the original, from the DVD IFO for the Reencoded VTS that is contained in your final compilation. If you followed the guide step by step, it will be in the new directory that you created to merge all original files with new VOBs from Scenarist.
Authored IFO Path is the IFO that Scenarist created for your newly reencoded VTS. By default it is contained in your Scenarist Root Dir/0/VIDEO_TS
Backup IFO Path is a backup IFO and can be wherever you wish because it only backs up your original IFO in case something goes wrong. [SVCD4Me]

I'm not sure about this, but... I would also add something into the putting it all back together section about the dummy VOBs that Scenarist creates for the VTS that aren't reencoded. For my project the only reencoded VTS was VTS_05_1.vob thru VTS_05_5.vob but Scenarist created VTS_01_1.vob, VTS_02_1.vob, VTS_03_1.vob and VTS_04_1.vob which were all 66Kb. I understand you were doing a different movie so the situation applied to you perfectly, I just wanted to bring that to your attention and make sure I was right when not copying the first 4 VTS VOBs to the recompile dir. I did James Bond Die Another Day Disc 1 and the only VOBs large enough to be transcoded were the actual movie which in turn meant they were the only ones made by Scenarist that actually should have been moved. Had I done the extras disc I'm sure it would have applied fully.

Once again, I appreciate all your work as well as everyone else who made this backup method possible.

Go aquabubble!
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Go Eyes`Only!
Go Doom9!

You guys kick some serious ass!:D

I plan to do The Recruit next so If you would like to add a Complete n00b Guide to your pages I would be happy to write one from my perspective.

[stanleycup]

SVCD4Me, I was in exactly the same situation as you with the DVD
I was working on with the dummy VOBs created by Scenarist.

In my case, I had 3 VTS where

VTS1 = dummy
VTS2 = main movie (re-encoded)
VTS3 = 20th Century Fox logo

Here is my question, I have used 2 methods for IFOUpdate:

1) Original IFO Path
- copy original DVD IFO files & Scenarist VOB files to new folder

Authored IFO Path
- this is where Scenarist created the re-encoded files

When IFOUpdate is done, burn the contents of the new folder. I thought
you also moved the dummy VOB files over to the new folder. Doom's
guide said to move all Scenarist VOB files over to the new folder
prior to using IFOUpdate. I'm assuming this also meant the dummy
VOB files. I know you're not suppose to IFOUpdate VTSs that haven't
been re-authored but does this apply also to dummy VOBs?


2) Original IFO Path
- leave this folder where the original DVD IFO files are as is

Authored IFO Path
- this is where Scenarist created the re-encoded VOB files

When IFOUpdate is done, copy VOB files from Scenarist folder to the
VIDEO_TS folder (Original IFO Path) and burn this folder.


I've used method 1 and 2 and both seem to work but was wondering
if both methods are actually the same?

[SVCD4Me]

I would say the original VOB is probably the FBI warning or something like that and it just doesn't matter that its not there but who knows. Open the original and see whats in it. If the first play PGC was VTS 1 and that was replaced by a split second of darkness before it goes on to the Fox logo then you probably wouldn't notice. It seems that you could get away with it sometimes, but sometimes not. I don't know enough thus far to be able to tell you what you can and can't leave out. One thing I like to say is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" ;) But make sure you test it fully before you decide its all good.

Have fun :cool:

[Kb_cruncher]

I too found this rather confusing so heres what i do.

>>Copy the scenarist authored files(including ifo's ect) to a sperate directory(eg D:\movie).

>>Copy all vobs(only vobs,no ifo's)from the vts01 directory that doitfast4u left alone to D:\movie

>>Copy all original ifo's and bups from the mounted iso used as source to D:\

>>open IFOEdit and select the ifo from D:\ as "original ifo" and "BAK ifo"

>>select ifo from D:\movie as "authored ifo"

>>press update

>>copy all ifo's from D:\ to D:\movie except *.BAK.

>>DONE.

hope this helps.

its even more confusing when using NuMenu4U:D

It would be a little less confusing if IFOupdate copied the updated ifo to the senarist authored directory,eliminating at least one step.

[killingspree]

hi
sorry but this has managed to totally confuse me. I've had some prvious problems, described in this thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55326), but as stated i've managed to compile the files successfully with scenarist anyway.

so here's the folder compilation i use:

original: video_ts created by doitfast4u + vob files created with scenarist

authored: /0/video_ts folder created by scenarist when building the files

i get the following error:

Error: The original IFO's PGC area is not large enough to hold the new PGC. Aborting.

:confused:
i've also tried it by creating a new folder containing the doitfast4u files + the scenarist vobs but i get the exact same error.

thanks for any help
steVe

[SVCD4Me]

I think we'll need more info to try and help you out.

First off, how did you get your scenarist problem to go away?

1. How many VTS are on the disc?
2. Which VTS(s) were reencoded?
3. Do your manually reencoded VTS match the VTS number of the original VTS?
4. Are you sure you are inputting original ifo, authored ifo, backup ifo correctly?

Try to give as many details as possible and maybe we can narrow this down.

[killingspree]

hi

here's the details!

first, i didn't do anything that the problem in scenarist goes away. it appears after each file is loaded. as written in the other thread it is just trying to validate the files when the error pops up. anyway i just decided to try to build the vobs and it worked without an error. i can play them perfectly and when loading any vts_xx_0.ifo it starts the dvd correctly going to the main menu. i can also navigate through the menu, view all the extras etc. if i try to use video_ts.ifo it just plays the short comlumbia tristar intro and then stops again. oh btw... i've kept everything except the french audio, the directors commentary and the french subs, if this matters. this only applies to the main movie though.

1) VTS's: 14, 2 is the main movie...
2) 1 to 6
3) i didn't reencode them manually but used 'The Big 3' - did everything exactly as the guide tells you to. and yes they match the original vts numbers
4) well i wasn't sure at first, but then i've found this thread and i've tried all ways that are described in this threads...

as i said i took the original ifos that were untouched (date last modified october 10th 2002) and for the authored ones i took the ones that scenarist put into the

[killingspree]

now i really prooved my stupidity :/

update... read first:hmm btw... i just rechecked and found out that this error only happens while updating vts_01_0.ifo. all other's seem to work fine. damnit... i'm investigating the problem further while writing this... hope you can follow. i just checked the original and the authored and found out that the authored (!!) movie is about 3 minutes longer. furthermore the authored vob file doesn't play correctly it kind of repeats every few seconds the last 10th of a second... this must be the problem in some way... i guess i'll have to reencode this part then... ): sorry for the inconvenience... [endupdate]

steVe

[SVCD4Me]

Well hopefully it was just a bad encode. You might get more help in a different forum about your specific problem of repeats/longer encode.

You didn't use IFOUpdate on VIDEO_TS.IFO did you?

Doom9 quote: NEVER!!! update VIDEO_TS.IFO!!!).

[killingspree]

no i didn't (:, i followed the guide :D

thanks for your time
steVe

[killingspree]

Originally posted by SVCD4Me
Well hopefully it was just a bad encode.
hi,
i've finally gotten around to replace the badly encoded clip with a simple blankclip() avisynth CCE encode... everything seems to be fine now...
thanks for your help once again
steVe