Cannot Reach The Main Menu ON DVD Player

[stanleycup]

Using the Big 3 (DoItFast4U, DoCCE4U, ReAuthorist) and Scenarist
to create a DVD with only the main menu, main movie, a 6 channel
audio track, and subtitles.

The DVD is created fine with Scenarist and plays on my PC
DVD-Rom player and on my Apex DVD player but it doesn't play on
any other DVD player I've tried. Is there a trick to ensure that
the DVD is fully compatible with most DVD players. I'm following
Doom's RA guide to the letter to craete the DVDs.

This has happened on 3 DVD players I have created where there is a main menu. When I don't include the main menu (just the main movie), the DVD will then play fine on all the DVD players I try.

Has anybody seen this before? I'm just tempted to not include the
main menu on my next DVD but having the main menu looks nice so that
someone can access whatever options they need from it.

Thanks for the help

[D3s7]

what's it do on your other player? lockup or just stop?

If you removed ANY content you more then likely will need to fix up the ifo files to reflect that change... (look in the advanced authoring section)

Removing VTS's isn't a recommended thing here nor supported 100% - it does work but there's more involved

[stanleycup]

It tries to read the DVD and just stops. I actually kept all 3 VTSs
The first VTS was just a blank VTS, the second was the main movie while the third was the 20th Century Fox Logo.

I did use IFOUpdate to update the original IFOs against the IFOs
that Scenarist created and it does play on one of my DVD players
but not any other ones. Should I be using something else other than IFOUpdate to update the IFO files?

[stanleycup]

My goal was to have the main movie with a main menu. The DVD I'm
using only has a main menu and the main movie. I'm sure now
it's something with the IFO files that's causing the DVD player
not to reach the main menu. I just re-did the same DVD through
ReAuthorist but this time stripped out the main menu (through IFOEdit
first) which essentially just gives me the just main movie. Now it
plays fine on all the 4 DVD players I try it on. With the menu added,
I can only play the DVD on the PC (WinDVD/PowerDVD/IFOEdit) and the
APEX DVD player.

I think I'm updating the IFO files correctly through IFOUpdate.

Hopefully, these steps are correct.

That is, when Scenarist is done, copy all files from the VIDEO_TS
folder (created by DoItFast4U) over to a new folder. Next copy all
*.VOB files that Scenarist created into the new folder

Next use IFOUpdate and point the "Original IFO Path" to the new folder
you created, the "Authored IFO Path" to the folder Scenarist created.
Now update IFO for each IFO file. The IFO files that will be updated
are in the "Original IFO Path"

I thought that if the DVD you created works on the PC using
WinDVD/PowerDVd/IFOEdit that it is pretty compatible with existing DVD players.

I must be missing something.

[Eyes`Only]

Now update IFO for each IFO file. The IFO files that will be updated
are in the "Original IFO Path"

Hopefully you're not ifoupdate-ing the IFOs that are of VTSes that you never reauthored?

[stanleycup]

I only updated the VTS's that Scenarist created so that probably
is not the problem.

One question I had for IFOUpdate is if the "Autocorrect VTS Sectors"
in the Options menu does the same function as the "Get VTS Sectors"
button. I did not use the "Get VTS Sectors" thinking this did the
same thing as the "Autocorrect VTS Sectors"

Am I correct to assume that the Original IFO Path files are updated
when using IFOUpdate?

[Eyes`Only]

Yes and yes.

[EonBlue]

for some reason i kinda had the same problem as you but i solved my problem by doing IFOUPDATE as well as loading up the ifos in IFOEDIT and hitting "Get VTS Sectors"...eyes'only said they're supposed to be the same thing and that's what i thought too but whenever i "Get VTS Sectors" with IFOEDIT, it changes the IFOs a little. i dunno if this will work for you but i guess it's worth a shot

[stanleycup]

Tharakan, thanks for the help. To clarify:

When I use IFOUpdate, I point the "Original IFO Path" to the original
VIDEO_TS folder and point the "Authored IFO Path" to the
Scenarist_OUTPUT folder. I set the following options in IFOUpdate:

Transfer VTS_C_ADT Table
Copy Color Table in Each OGC
Autocorrect VTS Sectors (When Updating)
Autoanalyze Original IFO (When Specified)

When I hit the "UPDATE IFO" button, the IFO file in the VIDEO_TS
folder gets updated. Repeat for all IFO files. I then copy all the
Scenarist .VOB files over to the VIDEO_TS folder. The VIDEO_TS folder
now contains all the files I want to burn to a DVD.

Would I then use IFOEdit and use the "Get VTS Sectors" button to
update the IFO files in the VIDEO_TS folder? I'm assuming all the
files you want to put on the DVD have to be in the same folder when
performing the "Get VTS Sectors" button.

Thanks for the help.

[EonBlue]

yeah that's exactly the way i do it. i do IFOUpdate the same way you described then i transfer my reauthored vobs over to my video_ts folder that DIFU created for me. then i open up IFOEdit and load my Video_TS.ifo and hit "region free" and "remove P-UPs" and lastly i hit "get vts sectors" it will ask then ask if you want to load the other ifo files too (or something along those lines) and just hit OK...then it'll go through each ifo and display the corrections made after each one. after it's gone through all the ifos then you can just exit out of IFOEdit (when exiting it'll say that the ifos aren't saved and ask if you want to save changes...but actually they have been saved so you can safely exit). then all you have to do is make a final directory with an empty AUDIO_TS folder and your VIDEO_TS folder, create image with IMGTOOLS then burn w/ DVD Decrypter.

hope this helps...let me know if it works for you :)

[stanleycup]

Tharakan,

I tried the method you suggested by using IFOEdit, after IFOUpdate
has been run, and applying "Get VTS Sectors" to the IFO files
on the folder that will be burned (the DI4U folder with the
updated IFO and new Scenarist VOB files).

I now get to the main menu and can choose the main movie to play.
It hesitates quite a bit before the main movie plays but at least
I can now reach the main menu when the DVD is inserted.

I probably have some more questions for you a little later since
we've gone through the same problems.

Thanks for the help Tharakan

[stanleycup]

Quick question on IFOUpdate,

I have 3 VTSs in my Scenarist compilation that need the IFOs updated

If I update the VTS_01_0.IFO, should only that IFO be updated. What
I'm seeing is that if I update VTS_01_0.IFO in IFOUpdate,

VTS_02_0.IFO
VTS_03_0.IFO

also get updated. Is this normal? I thought in IFOUpdate, when you
hit the "Update IFO", you are only updating that specific IFO.

Thanks for the any help on this. Still an IFOUpdate novice.

[EonBlue]

yeah that's normal...you'll notice that even your video_ts.ifo gets updated as well even though you haven't even run that through ifoupdate. i don't know exactly why all of the ifos get 'updated' in ifoupdate but dont worry, you're not doing anything wrong.

[stanleycup]

Another 2 quick questions,

If I IFOUpdate VTS_01_0.IFO and the other 2 VTSs get updated also, I
guess I still have to manually update VTS_02_0.IFO and VTS_03_0.IFO
also? I'm asking because when using IFOEdit to "Get VTS Sectors"
afterwards, it updates all the IFO files in one shot.

Second question, do the Scenarist VOB files need to be in the same
folder when the IFOs are being updated by IFOUpdate? I didn't think
so since the IFO files already have the information about them already

Thanks for the help.

[EonBlue]

yeah you have to manually update every ifo. the reason why IFOEDIT can "get vts sectors" with one click is because it detects all of the other ifos in the folder and updates them all at once...but IFOUpdate doesn't do that.

and about the scenarist vobs being in the same folder...i'm not exactly sure what the effects of that are. but i can tell you the way i do it which has been successfull for me. after scenarist creates the reauthored vobs, i leave them in there (that would be the 0\video_ts\ folder) and run ifoupdate on all the ifos. then after i've updated all the ifos, i transfer them into my VIDEO_TS folder created by DIFU...after that i proceed to "GET VTS SECTORS" and then image and burn.

[aquabubble]

Hi stanleycup... did you get this problem fixed? If not I may be able to provide some more assistance re: potential problems in the authored IFOs.

[stanleycup]

I think I have the problem solved now.

It seems in my case, that I need to use IFOEdit after IFOUpdate
and run "Get VTS Sectors" ebfore my DVD can play properly on my
DVD players. I verified this by taking my DVD to the local
Best Buy and trying it out on a bunch of DVD players. If I didn't
use IFOEdit, it wouldn't play on the majority of DVD players. On
the DVD that I had used IFOedit after IFOUpdate, then it would play
on all the DVD players I tested it on. Thanks Tharakan for the help
on this since you and I seemed to have run into the same problem

Aquabubble, do you only run IFOUpdate and IFOEdit afterwards or
just IFOUpdate? I'm just curious as to whether more people have seen
my problem or is it just me because I'm new to using IFOUpdate.

[EonBlue]

this is a strange problem because most of the people i have talked to have told me that running ifoupdate is the same thing as running 'get vts sectors'...so i thought it would be pointless to use ifoedit afterwards. but then 4 coasters later i almost cried and decided to try 'get vts sectors' for the heck of it. WHAT A MIRACLE. after that i've done 'get vts sectors' and every dvd that i've reauthored has worked flawlessly. so the 'get vts sectors' step has been critical for me but for some reason other people don't need to use it.

[Eyes`Only]

i always use the vts sectors correction done by ifoupdate. when i try to 'redo' it in ifoedit, it never tells me there were further corrections to make. I wonder why?

[nash]

I'm the same with Eyes Only, I always "get vts sectors" in IFOedit after I do "Autocorrect VTS sectors" in IFOupdate just to be safe. But there are never any corrections to make. *shrug*