What is NuMenu4u

[Zeul]

NuMenu4U is a program designed to re-encode all of the menus on your DVD to reduce the file size, allowing for greater bitrates to be used on the main movie/extras. Any extras that are stored in the *_0.VOB files (becoming more popular) can also be re-encoded. All the re-encoding is carried out by DoCCE4U, and upon completeion, NuMenu4U integrates with DIF4U for movie/extra stripping. There is also the facility to move all of your new authored vobs (from Scenarist) into your VIDEO_TS folder. IfoUpdate will then be executed on all of the necessary IFO's. Get VTS Sectors etc will be automatically corrected.

This is the very first beta release so I need as much feed back as possible. An updated version will be on the website in the next couple of days to fix a few anomolies.

The update release should have an improved IfoUpdate UI, and hopefully a fix for Non-English OS (although I can't test this!).

Get it at: http://numenu4u.users.btopenworld.com

Adam

[fourtyfour]

servus...

The update release should have an improved IfoUpdate UI, and hopefully a fix for Non-English OS (although I can't test this!).

Hm, fixed the vobedit bug in new version?
Will test it as soon as possbible. (in 8 hours :( )

Or is this an old version number with new bugfix?
*confused*

BTW: how does Numenu4U work?

I thougt, menu encoding doesn´t work, cause buttons "confusing"
Can you explain it al little bit?

I want to know what I do (or the tool for me :D ) to give you better reports, ideas and to understand the stuff :)

[69Mws]

I'm dealing mostly with PAL DVDs and use german Win2K on my machine.

So, I got it to encode, but I had to reset first the paths of decomb.dll and mpeg2dec3.dll to the ones from DIF4U. With the dll's from NuMenu4U it didn't work for me.

I always got in CCE an error like "Framesize 808x56 is not supported".

After changing the dll-paths to the ones from DIF4U it worked fine.

It also worked with CCE 2.66, cause NuMenu4U took control over DoCCE4u and DoCCE4u itself controls every CCE Version thanks to the integration of ECLCCE 1.5b

But after encoding it stops in VobEdit in the File-Open Dialogue :(

Maybe it's the same issue like in former DoCCE4U Versions, as ECLCCE wasn't implemented yet and you had to set the "Title" of the File-Open Dialogue. In my case it would be "Öffnen" 'cause it's german Win2K.

I'm sure BBWoof can tell you something about this language issue :)

Greetz & happy testing :D
69Mws

[Zeul]

new version now available:

couple of minor bug fixes.
Path to CCE is now no longer required
Support for Non-English Windows OS (maybe?)
Improved UI for IfoUpdate

To use the support for non-english please goto the appropriate sub-menu and type into the boxes, the exact wording that is seen in your OS, as follows:

Goto any app that requires you to OPEN a file (eg NOTEPAD). This will bring up the Open Dialog Box. Type into NUMenu4U the exact window name that appears (eg in german Open=Öffnen). Do the same for whatever is written on the Open Button.
The exact same procedure needs to be done for a SAVE AS Dialog Box.
Then press OK. This will automatically save the new wording. To reset, just delete the text in the boxes.

For those of you who require more information on what NUMenu4U does, I will try and explain.

The structure of the menu remains intact, so all of the buttons will work properly, and point to the correct places. There is no facility to disable buttons (I don't care for butchering DVDs so this is unlikely to be implemented). The video stream is removed from the vobs, re-encoded (thanks to DOCCE4U), and then remuxed back into the vobs. This produces a vastly smaller file size. If wanted (Default setting), when NUMenu4U has finished, DIF4U will open for movie/extras processing. To avoid any confusion the VIDEO_TS folder created by NUMenu4U will also be used by DIF4U, for unused VTSs.

When the drive mounting your DVD image is selected, the menu language streams present in the menus will be shown. This is nearly always English and occasionally, French, German, or Spanish.

Choose your preferred language or keep them all. NB there is a problem with this that manifests itself from time to time, due to a bug in IfoEdit. Very occasionally IfoEdit does not auto select all of the vob id's correctly when removing menu languages. (So far I know of R1 JP3 that this happens to). If this indeed does occur, I suggest leaving the language setting as all, run the NUMenu4U. Load up DIF4U, but before launching ReAuthorist, manually strip out the unwanted language stream in IfoEdit, remembering to select the vob id's yourself.

All of the settings can be left at Default, or change tham as necessary. If you prefer to use different AVS scripts just add or overtype where necessary, and save. This will save them for future use. To reset just press reset (suprisingly).

If you change the default settings, don't forget to check save settings.

Until DOCCE4U 1.0.1.5 is released setting the Q Factor for one-pass encoding will do nothing.

If you experience a problem with DOCCE4U 1.0.1.4 and CCE v2.5 when re-encoding (some files won't be encoded), and NUMenu4U might crash, then I suggest changing the ecl.dll and ecl.exe to a previous version (2.67.0.9) appears to work fine.

Hope this gets you started!

[69Mws]

Ah, just got the newest beta after I posted my issues here.

Mkay, so I'm gonna try again :)

Happy hunting :D
69Mws

[Zeul]

69Mws thats odd the decomb.dll and mpeg2dec3.dll are the same as DIF4U

odd?

[69Mws]

Originally posted by adamandhelen
69Mws thats odd the decomb.dll and mpeg2dec3.dll are the same as DIF4U

odd?

I also find that strange but it's not working for me with "your" dll's for some reason :confused:

Pointing to the dif4u dll's works fine :confused:

However it's working one or the other way :D

Greetz
69Mws

[69Mws]

Are you planning to expand the setting for "Language required" to more languages?

That would be really great. I'm dealing with some episodic DVDs at the moment that have way too much menu languages I'll never need....

Greetz
69Mws

[Zeul]

how many language menus are there?

the most i have seen is 3
or are you requesting being able to keep more than one language, (why though?)

[69Mws]

Originally posted by adamandhelen
how many language menus are there?

the most i have seen is 3
or are you requesting being able to keep more than one language, (why though?)

Nope, I don't wanna keep more than one language. In most cases I keep german or english menu.

I'm dealing right now with Sex & the City Season DVDs and they all have at least 4 Menu Languages (german, english, french, italian) some have even more like spanish, dutch and so on.

That's maybe because some of the DVDs here are produced once for the whole european market to save costs and have only different covers in the specific countries I think.

Greetz
69Mws

[Zeul]

ok didn't know a disc would have that many languages. i'll try and fulfill your suggestion

it would be helpfull if you could send me an ifo file of a menu with as many languages you can get hold of.

cheers

[EcchiNut]

lol
/me points to his subject

j/k

Cool tool. Trying it right now on a episode-based dvd. only 2 langs though.

[D3s7]

Interesting issue...

pulls into docce4u but then cce complains w/ following message:

"Frame size 892x56 is not supports. Supported frame size is up to 720x576"

[D3s7]

aaah.. found the problem

meg2dec3.dll and decomb.dll are not for avisynth 2.5...

might need to detect avisynth ver like dif4u does :D

[Zeul]

thanks thought i had mentioned avs 2.5 not supported, yet. sorry guys, apparently i didn't. it should be in the next release though

[Zeul]

6dmws

got your ifo, but it only has english language menu listed (LU_1)
numenu4u will look for LU_2, LU_3 etc inidicating another menu in a different language

[D3s7]

here's a question...

NuMenu only copies IFO and _0.VOB files over then recommends shutting off "create VIDEO_TS" folder in DIF4U

DIF4U says "make sure VIDEO_TS folder exists" so...... when/where does the rest of the non-ripped files get copied over?? - copy them before launching DIF4u?

IE: DVD I'm working on... 5 VTS's.. only ones getting re-encoded is 1,2,4 so.. what about 3,5?

[D3s7]

oh and FYI:

the modified IFOEdit that comes w/ newer DIF4U causes NuMenu to lock up... needs a pure .95 to work

[69Mws]

Originally posted by D3s7
aaah.. found the problem

meg2dec3.dll and decomb.dll are not for avisynth 2.5...

might need to detect avisynth ver like dif4u does :D

good point, that explains why it also didn't work for me 'til I set the paths to the dll's from dif4u ;)

Greetz
69Mws

[69Mws]

Originally posted by Zeul
6dmws

got your ifo, but it only has english language menu listed (LU_1)
numenu4u will look for LU_2, LU_3 etc inidicating another menu in a different language

Strange.....I was sure that this one was from a menu that had at least 4 languages.....I'll look into that again and will see if I find something else for you :)

Greetz
69Mws

[69Mws]

I still have problems with the file-open dialogue in VobEdit on my german Win2K.

It writes now the path and the filename into the file-open dialogue, but doesn't proceed any further.

I noticed that the dialogues are not always named the same in every application. So I took the namings which are in dialogues from VobEdit, but it's not working :(

Greetz
69Mws

[jerschwab]

I am using the programs as specified in NUMenu4U, but it seems to hang when "Correcting Navigation Pointers" on the Reservoir Dogs (special edition) main menu. This menu was small anyway, but I was trying it just as a test.

Any ideas?

[Zeul]

69Mws
have you renamed the Open button aswell?

jerschwab
what version of ifoedit are you using? are you using the special one that comes with dif4u? is ifoedit actually called and openend?

d3s7
only the ifos and *_0.vobs will be copied to the VIDEO_TS folder. DIF4U says "make sure VIDEO_TS folder exists" this is normal and means that any vts's you have decided not to reencode in dif4u will now be copied to the VIDEO_TS folder from NUMenu4U instead of dif4u actually making a VIDEO_TS folder as it has done in the past.

[69Mws]

Originally posted by Zeul
[B]69Mws
have you renamed the Open button aswell?


Yup, I did that too. I assume this setting is for the Open Button inside the File-Open dialogue, right?

I'm just wondering 'cause no other "non-english" user posted a problem 'bout that. Fourtyfour is also german, but he didn't mention having this problem 'til now.

I'll take a look again later after work, but I'm quite sure that I configured everything as needed.

Greetz
69Mws

[Zeul]

yes thats right the open button inside the open-file dialog, must be written aswell. the important thing to remember is when using this function, NUMenu4U will search for a dialog box or button with the exact text you have specified. if you have mispelt etc then it will fail!
If I am unable to get this right I will have to try and determine the language of your OS and hard-code it. Don't want to do that!!

[D3s7]

Zeul -

Yeah.. talked with eyes last night.. 1.1.2+ will see the menu files exist and copy everything else over where 1.1.1 he said to leave it unchecked

Excellent job with the app... ran 2 last night and saved almost 500mg on one from menu reductions...

Very stable once setup for an early beta IMHO

[squancey]

Originally posted by jerschwab
I am using the programs as specified in NUMenu4U, but it seems to hang when "Correcting Navigation Pointers" on the Reservoir Dogs (special edition) main menu. This menu was small anyway, but I was trying it just as a test.

Any ideas?

I get this same problem and I think it is to do with IfoEdit.

I have version 0.95 and I point NuMenu4U to the file but when the program invokes the IfoEdit I see that is is version 0.94.

Anybody have any ideas as I have search my machine and only found version 0.95 ??

[D3s7]

known bug w/ IFOEdit

delete your IFOedit.ini from your \windows dir

[Zeul]

d37s

delete ini file for ifoedit
this is done by numenu4u autoamtically.

v0.94 always shows in the taskbar - i don't know why, however, it doesn't affect numenu4u - i have it searching for a wide array of names, but not the special ifoedit from DIF4U. for the moment i suggest you d/l a clean version of ifoedit from doom9, and put it into numenu4u folder. I could do this on the install but it will add another .99MB to the d/l (fine for us broadband - but not for dialup).

d37s glad to see it is working for you. happy with the quality?

this a general question for you guys. can everyone check their windows directory (not system32) to check that ifoedit.ini is there.
i suggest delete it. then start up ifoedit (any version) and close. does ifoedit.ini re-appear - it should. i have numenu4u pointing to the windows directory for the ini file. please tell me if yours is somewhere else!

[D3s7]

Zeul,

IFOEdit.ini for me is always in the windows dir

Quality is decent....only thing I noticed is one of them seems to run in slow-motion for about 5seconds at startup (in powerdvd) - haven't tried settop yet....

[squancey]

I deleted ifoedit.ini and new one gets created when I restart.

Still says v0.94 in taskbar and on the title bar of ifoedit when invoke from NuMenu4U

Still freezing at "correcting navigation pointers". Tried on various movies same problem

[D3s7]

Run IFOEdit directly....

if it's truely .95 it'll say .95 when you execute it normally

otherwise it probably really is .94

[squancey]

I think I found the problem....and it has nothing to do with IfoEdit version

It think it is to do with filenames/directories.

In NuMenu4U I used a save directory of "fight club", which it didn't like and froze.

I then tried again in a different directory with a space in the name and it froze again.

So then I proceeded to specify the save directory as "temp" and it seems to run fine.

So it seems that a space in the directory path caused the problem.

squancey

[Xesdeeni]

@Zeul

Since you've delved into the world of menus, would you have any insight into this set of questions: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50052 ?

Xesdeeni

[69Mws]

Ok, I cross-checked again the non-english OS settings with the dialogues from VobEdit.

Open dialogue is labeled with "Öffnen", same is the button.

Save As dialogue is labeled as "Datei speichern unter", button is named "Speichern".

I put it exactly that way into the settings, but it's not working.

When it comes to the VobEdit File Open dialogue it fills in the path and the name of the first m2v, but doesn't proceed any further :(

Greetz
69Mws

[Eldorado]

Very interesting new tool! We've been missing something like this!

I'm wondering, I'm currently in the process of doing a PAL -> NTSC conversion, audio and video are rather easy, but I have never attempted converting a menu.

The menu is animated, and has multiple menu's, languages, chapter selection (with animated clips in boxes), will this be able to handle them? I'm assuming that since NuMenu4U uses CCE to re-encode, I can use the same Avisynth script I used to convert the movie?

There is also audio tracks that go along with the movie, but I don't think it would really matter if the audio isn't the same rate... ? But the big thing would be the positioning of the buttons, since I'm resizing what would I need to do to ensure the button highlights are correct?

[Zeul]

New version out now.

Changes include:

Support for AVS 2.5+ (i hope)
New UI - you can now select a different language (if available) per menu.

Updated UI for IfoUpdate - you can now choose any setting for any IFO. Usefull for cell only mode etc.

Better integration with DIF4U

Possibly a fix for our Non-English OS friends

Zeul

[69Mws]

The language selection is very nice, thx :)

But I have a strange thing going on now:
I configured File-Locations of IfoEdit and VobEdit and the Non-English OS Settings. So far, so good.

When I fired it up, it starts IfoEdit and IfoEdit just stands there doing nothing :confused:

Taskmanager shows NuMenu4u using whole CPU Power and not responding :confused:

I took a look into the destination folder to see whether it's writing files, but there are just the automatically created folders and nothing more, no demuxed files and stuff :confused:

I don't seem to have luck with your nice program 'til now, but I'm not giving up that soon :D

Greetz
69Mws

[Zeul]

69Mws this language barrier is causing me a headache!

[69Mws]

Originally posted by Zeul
69Mws this language barrier is causing me a headache!

Well, you asked for non-english os Testers and here I am, your worst non-english-os-beta-testing-nightmare :D :devil: ;)

BTW: when I leave the non-english os settings empty, it opens at least the file-open dialogue in IfoEdit, but that's it...no further processing.

Did you talk to BBWoof about that language issue? Maybe he can help you, 'cause he also had that problem before the ECLCCE integration.

Greetz
69Mws

[D3s7]

a line from Pulp Fiction comes to mind :D

[Zeul]

69Mws had a thought
do you have access to spy++ program?
i need to verify what the class name of the text box is.
in english OS its called EDIT, if it is different in german, NUMenu4u will always fail

[D3s7]

Zeul, you want bug reports here or in email (prefered method?)

had the sad face because vobedit was pointing to the wrong location - fixed that and the face was still sad but it let me start

face just never updated

[Zeul]

new version is up and running.
I have rewritten the code for ifoedit and vobedit, so it should now work for different language OS (fingers crossed!) (thanks for eyes'only for a very good idea).
D3s7 The smiley face is corrected

[69Mws]

Originally posted by Zeul
...so it should now work for different language OS (fingers crossed!)

Tested again, still not working for me.

I figured that it has different issues, depending on how many language units are available.

If more than one language is available it hangs in IfoEdit after closing the file-open dialogue, no matter which language I choose.

If only one language is present it's working 'til VobEdit. File-open dialogue closes and then VobEdit also just stands there doing nothing more.

Greetz
69Mws

[Zeul]

69Mws thanks for your continued support

what screen res are you using, is it 800*600 or different. i think this is the problem with ifoedit. the problem has been sending a message to the checkbox to select the language, and up until now have had to use automated mouse clicks (unreliable). after some extensive research into subclassing i am sure i can sort ifoedit in the next release. glad to see the open/save dialog is now working, although i made a silly mistake and forgot to delete a line of code, but at least i have got it recognising the open dialog box correctly.

ps bug reports here i think are best so everyone can see and agree/disagree.

Zeul

[69Mws]

No prob, betatesting on nice programs is always interesting :)

I'm using a resolution of 1024x768@32bit color-depth

Greetz
69Mws

[Zeul]

just a thought
you say ifoedit hangs. if you test with minimize external app unchecked so everything is shown, at what point does ifoedit stop responding. does the vob extras window and streamlist windows appear?

[squancey]

Originally posted by 69Mws
Tested again, still not working for me.

Just a thought....are you using spaces or non-alphanumeric characters in your destination path / file names, because this caused the app to pause at Ifoedit stage for me.

squancey

[69Mws]

Originally posted by Zeul
just a thought
you say ifoedit hangs. if you test with minimize external app unchecked so everything is shown, at what point does ifoedit stop responding. does the vob extras window and streamlist windows appear?

It only hangs when more than one language unit is present! It does that after opening and "filling" the file-open dialogue. Then this dialogue closes and it does nothing more.

When only one language unit is present it's all working 'til it comes to VobEdit. There's then the same behaviour as mentioned with IfoEdit.

Hm...don't know what you mean by vob extras window and streamlist windows, so I guess they didn't show up :( ;)

Greetz
69Mws