Matrix outcome

[ToiletDuck]

ok i am having an arguement at work with someone about the matrix. I think that Neo is actualy a product of the matrix. I think this because when talking to to the architect in reloaded, The architect said that the Oracle came up with an equation for human beings so that the architect could make the matrix more adaptable to the humans and that the equation showed that no matter what he did there would still be some %.1 that would rebel. Then the architect said, "Now we couldn't have people rebelling against us now could we? So we gave those people a fight to fight." I think what he is saying is that he made one world for people to live in, the already known matrix, and one world for the rebels to live in. THat they are actually all still in the matrix. I also think that Neo will find out that he was built by the matrix to give the rebels someone to follow. The architect said that Neo had been there 6 times before and that he knew what neo was going to do, however when he noticed that neo was in love, he realized that his program had been changed and that now there is no telling what he will do.
Does anyone else see where I am going with this? Can any of you give me your thoughts? I think they are still in the matrix because once neo did the opposite of what the architect thought he realized that while even in the "real world" he still has some powers.
Also when Neo was talking to the Oracle she told him that when programs are about to be deleted they do what they can to stay alive, could that have anything to do with Neo choosing the other door? And could the finale be that Neo realizes he is part of the matrix and that he has to choose to kill the whole matrix, including himself, to set trinity and the others free? Or could the delima be more on trinity's end where she and everyone else realize what is going on and don't really know what the outside world is and don't know if they should risk killing the entire matrix to find out?

Duck

Please leave your thoughts

[Doobie]

The trouble with dumb movies (like Reloaded) is that the creators think they're being smart when they allow so many possibilities for the ending but all they do is the middle just a bunch of nonsense.

Yes, everything could be the Matrix. But, then that makes the first movie stupid. All those people in pods aren't real but just representations. For that matter, there could be no machines because the machines could be just a representation by the Matrix.

[adam]

Don't read if you haven't watched the movie.



















ToiletDuck I think it is pretty obvious that they never left the Matix...ever. The "real world" is still a part of the Matrix, and its just a means of controlling the humans. The machines are letting the humans sort themselves out. All those who would rebel against the Matrix, rebel against this "Matrix within a Matrix" and basically go live in Zion, which is still just a part of the program. Once the numbers get large enough, the machines move in and kill them all and then just start all over again. Meanwhile, they are constantly modifying the Matrix to try and eliminate that 1% that rebel, once and for all.

Neo's love for Trinity is not what changes things this time around. Remember this is specifically a part of the prophecy, which is just the way the machines get the humans to do what they want. The change is agent smith. Like he said when talking to one of his clones, (paraphrased) "This is just like the last time"..."Well not EXACTLY like last time." The previous 6 times, when Neo killed him, he stayed dead. This time he decided not to follow the rules. His actions have somehow altered the matrix and somehow tipped off Neo to truth. At the end of Reloaded Neo truly "frees his mind" for the first time. That is why he can kill the sentinals in the end. He realizes they are still in the Matrix, so he realizes that he basically has the same powers in the "real world" as he does in the "matrix." In Revelations this is all going to become clear and we will all get to see what the real world really looks like, which is where Neo is right now.

[wmansir]

I think anyone who has read this far is either not avoiding spoilers, or very stupid but in any case spoilers ahead...


I think you nailed it right on the head Adam, with the possible exception of Agent Smith being the catalyst for Neo's true awakening. I still don't buy that, but hopefully it will all be clear (or at least clearer) in the next chapter. I also tend to agree with Doobie in that by going down this path they have altered the original, which could be a very bad thing (ex: Highlander 2).

So, if we are to assume that "The Real" is actually just another part of the matrix, does that not leave us asking the question "What is The Matrix?" (deja-vu anyone) Are we to assume all the information presented in "The Real" is fundamentally true and there was a war between humans and machines, ect, ect. OR could the truth be something entirely different.

[ToiletDuck]

Adam you and I are exactly on the same page :) Glad to see others think like I do.

[kaitsuburi]

@duck

Could you perhaps add something like "spoilers" to the title of the post? So that poor people like me who haven't had a chance to see matrix2 yet don't unsuspectingly stumble into your post and get spoiled :D :eek:

thanks,

-kaitsuburi

ps. it's coming out june 7 in japan. got my tickets for opening night :cool:

[dTb]

You both put forward pretty good arguments but I'm still not convinced, I think what you've proposed is a definate possibility though.
I've given up trying to figure out exactly what is going on because there simply isn't enough information imo to be totally sure. Of course the makers aren't going to let us in on everything because then there wouldn't be anywhere near as big a reason to see the last installment.

[ToiletDuck]

kaitsuburi: I'm sorry. I never post on moviesd and that thought hadn't hit me. however if a post is slugged as a movies title beware :)

[ToiletDuck]

What if the sentinals couldn't attack Neo at the end because they are programed not to? In the trailer of part III it showed tons of agent smiths. What if the Matrix made it so that Neo couldn't be killed because the Matrix knows that he is the only one that can kill agent smith?
Duck

[bilu]

Remember that Neo had felt the sentinel's presence before they arrive.
If he is human and not software, then they should be inside a second Matrix.

@ToiletDuck

"What if the Matrix made it so that Neo couldn't be killed because the Matrix knows that he is the only one that can kill agent smith?"

We'll, it could be that the machines need Neo's hacking capability inside this second Matrix to keep some viral software like Agent Smith under control. Maybe they are using Neo for it.

Maybe Neo comes from a superior level than this two Matrices, which could be another Matrix also ;)


Bilu

[Didée]

What makes me grin is, that this idea of multiple embedded virtual realities was already present in "Welt am Draht", a German TV movie, in the year 1973. Really new ideas are quite seldom ...

[wmansir]

You also have to consider the prospect that some people or perhaps everyone int "The Real" is an AI program. This would explain how Agent Smith infected the "human" and left the matrix. Of course having him infect an actual human mind wouldn't be totally outside the rules of the matrix. After all if you can upload skill sets and knowledge into a mind perhaps you can upload brainwashing. But then again if everyone was an AI program uploading skill sets would make even more sense.

[bilu]

@wmansir

Well, if they could upload brainwash what would they need the Matrix for? ;)

Bilu

[Wilbert]

Remember that Neo had felt the sentinel's presence before they arrive. If he is human and not software, then they should be inside a second Matrix.
Exactly. Another reason is that he stopped the robots with his hand. This is not possible in the real world. I'm not saying that they haven't been in the real world at all (like some other people here). It could be, I don't know. But at the end, they were definitely in an old version of the matrix. It is also consistent with my view, that Zion is not destroyed. The only evidence for this is an eye-wittness telling that in an old version of the matrix. So, no evidence ...

[bilu]

Not necessarily an old version of the Matrix.
Remember what was told about the Oracle: it was an intuitive program that designed the most effective Matrix, which still had flaws.

The Chosen One was a mean of control. This means the Chosen is predicted, and possibly a manipulated human or designed software to be able to do more than those that "woke up" from the first Matrix.

By being able to do more and reveal more to those who live in the second Matrix (which includes Zion) it becomes the prophet, gathering attentions around him.

That helps deviating the minds of those who "woke up" from the first Matrix and prevents them from "waking up" from the Second. Because they want to be there. They believe their hero.

This serves the purpose of the machines: a Matrix for those confortable with a material society, and another for those who seek spiritual meaning and heros. One for the head, one for the heart.

[Dazzla]

Originally posted by ToiletDuck
What if the Matrix made it so that Neo couldn't be killed because the Matrix knows that he is the only one that can kill agent smith?
Duck

I was thinking that, If Neo is another form of control on behalf of the Matrix and Smith is now disobeying everything the Matrix tries to do, then the Matrix will do everything to aide Neo. If Morpheus et al all became aware of this possible "Matrix within a Matrix" then they'd be rooting for Smith to destroy the Matrix :devil: . Smith wants out (I think). Before the burly brawl when he's talking to Neo he says:

"Apparently free, we're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free. No escaping reason, no defined purpose because as we both know, without purpose we would not exist. We're here to take from you what you tried to take from us: Purpose."

He's pissed, and watching the Revolutions trailer when Neo and Smith face off, Morpheus says "He fights for us?!?" and he could possibly mean Smith. If Neo is in fact another program designed to control those in the fake Zion world then Smith would be anti that, leading Morpheus to believe he would really be freed this time but not by Neo (another form of control) but by Smith, a Virus/Rogue within the Matrix.

Smith being a program as well would inherently know the role of Neo as well (if he is indeed a program).

Tonnes of stuff flying around and I've simply never seen this much conversation happen regarding a film before, not a sign of a bad film in my books. Revolutions can't come soon enough!

[adam]

Originally posted by Wilbert
Exactly. Another reason is that he stopped the robots with his hand. This is not possible in the real world. I'm not saying that they haven't been in the real world at all (like some other people here). It could be, I don't know. But at the end, they were definitely in an old version of the matrix.

I think that the matrix within a matrix is supposed to be everyone's gut reaction for how Neo stops the sentinals, and this will probably be what happens, but they intentionally made it ambiguous. If you notice, the other ship was on their way to the Nebakanezzer (sp?)when they were attacked by sentinals. The ship sets off their emp right before Neo stops the sentinals attacking them. The question is how close were the two ships? It could have been the emp that killed the sentinals. I don't think this is what happened but I think this is supposed to play in your mind until you get the real explanation in revolutions.

Originally posted by Wilbert
It is also consistent with my view, that Zion is not destroyed. The only evidence for this is an eye-wittness telling that in an old version of the matrix. So, no evidence ...

Zion is definitely not destroyed. In one of the trailers for Revolutions someone says, "Zion will fall in 72 hours." I think in Reloaded when they said that "it was a slaughter and only 1 survived" they were just talking about the initial battle between the sentinals and all of the ships. That one survivor, the Smith clone, was a crewmember of a ship, so this would make sense.

[compunerd632]

In response to the emp idea, I too thought that was a possibility until I thought about it. All an emp does is disable electrical systems. Those sentinels stopped dead in their tracks, meaning some force was stopping them; an emp would stop their navigation, but Newton's first law says that they would continue in a straight line if they were just disabled.

Also, my theory for how Smith took over a body in the real world: My guess is that when one goes into the Matrix his/her consciousness is converted to computer code and inserted into the Matrix. Similarly, when a person comes out that consciousness is reloaded back into the person's mind. Since your mind is just computer code it would be very simple to rewrite that with a virus. Then, when your mind is copied back to your body it is that of the virus while your body remains yours.

Personally, I don't believe the Matrix within a Matrix idea. I believe that Neo has some sort of a connection to the Matrix even when not connected directly. In the video game there is a cut scene where the oracle states that when Neo touched the source, his mind was separated from his body and now he exists somewhere between the Matrix and the real world. I believe this is his new connection to the Matrix. I figure all the machines are probably connected to the Matrix, so Neo could send a signal through the Matrix to the sentinels and stop them.

One thing's for sure, the Matrix series is one of the most thought provoking things ever made.

[Doobie]

Half the Virtual Reality movies end up being Virtual Reality within Virtual Reality (13th Floor, eXistenZ, etc.) So, for the Matrix to do this would be far from original.

Compunerd may be on the right track. Neo having some control over the machines in the real world would do the least damage to the original movie. But, how if he isn't plugged in?

Already, Reloaded has shown us that the attempts to kill Neo in the first movie were bogus.

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by Doobie
Half the Virtual Reality movies end up being Virtual Reality within Virtual Reality (13th Floor, eXistenZ, etc.) So, for the Matrix to do this would be far from original.

Compunerd may be on the right track. Neo having some control over the machines in the real world would do the least damage to the original movie. But, how if he isn't plugged in?

Already, Reloaded has shown us that the attempts to kill Neo in the first movie were bogus.

How do they "jack" into the matrix in the first place. They go to broadcast level, get a hardline into the ships computer system and broadcast wirelessly into the matrix. Maybe somehow Neo found a way to do this without the broadcasting used on the ships.

[duartix]

the Matrix series is one of the most thought provoking things ever made I can think at least of 4 more thought provoking :confused: :eek: :confused: :eek: movies just by David Lynch.

Don't get me wrong, "Reloaded" makes you think a bit but once you have seen this kind of movies (12 Monkeys, Barton Fink, Doobie pointed some obvious others), it's one rationalization you get used to do.
I'm glad the movie included these questions because if you squeeze it there's little else to take...:(
I just wished the brothers had worried less about the action scenes and constructed a better and less linear plot.

Just one question to leave this thread:

It's not the first time I've seen this.
What is it with American directors that makes them push the idea that a Ducati 996 can be sucessfully chased by highway patrolers? :angry: In the highway?? :angry: :angry: In the middle of traffic??? :angry: :angry: :angry:

Arrghhhh, you have watched too much American trash, you Mazeltovsky Brothers!!!

What do you think a Ducati is?
A Harley Davidson with a red paint job? :o :o :o

Why do you think americans with real money buy japaneese/italian bikes and german/italian cars?

[b0b0b0b]

Does anyone else think that Reloaded was Retarded?

[bilu]

@duartix

1) I think David Lynch is american too ;)
2) You should make a smiley-diet :D

About american action movies: I mostly agree with you that most american action movies are just too ... easy :rolleyes:

The generic "good guy VS bad guy" script:

- a good guy with no power, much luck and talent, and some chick gets in love with his rebel spirit;

- a bad guy with power, with a history of oportunities he took advantage by dirty means, and chicks around him because he's the boss;


Most common exception:

An ex-cop who becomes the boss of organized criminal VS the ex-partner who has also made some mistakes in the past. This ex-partner may be on duty or been suspended prior or during the movie. His family may be in danger now or may have been killed by this ex-partner. He may know from the beginning of the film or during the film, but allways ends up in revenge.

The Kickboxer/Rambo movies fit in a similar category, and so does the F-16 pilot vs Russian pilot movies.



This isn't supposed to be a bashing post, i'm just showing that I'm a bit tired of this logic.

There should be more "good guy VS good guy" based on misunderstandings or conflicts of interest and sad endings.

I haven't seen much american action movies that follow different paths
and the new Benicio del Toro action movie seems like Rambo I.

Sorry for killing this thread by making it so offtopic
:scared:


Bilu

[duartix]

1) I think David Lynch is american too
2) You should make a smiley-diet 1 - I know, he's one of the one in a hundred.
2 - Yes, you are probably right. I will start right now.:o
Does anyone else think that Reloaded was Retarded?Yes and no.

Take this example:
Tim Burton & Batman, and the Wachowski Brs. & The Matrix.
I believe we all agree the first movies are very good and were comercial hits.

What did Burton do afterwards?
Well he probably thought:
"F**k that retarded narrow minded croud that makes 90% of moviegoers, I'm going to do an even better movie!"
And he did.

What did the Brs. do?
- "Jim, how can we make a better movie?"
- "Jon, we'll give them more headaches."
- "Yes Jim, but we must give them more pills too! If we want to make a 3rd...Remember what happened to Burton!"

And they did.

I have very mixed feelings about "Reloaded". Even though it deals with more complex (un)realities I feel the movie is unbalanced as if they felt they had to make averything else plain simple so they wouldn't tire those 90% they need to watch Revolutions/Revelations...

[DAvenger]

A very interesting article can be found here : http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/new_phil_fr_chalmers.html

Thanks God we have our own real world ;) And it took only 6 days to boot it up :)

[epere4]

Originally posted by compunerd632
Personally, I don't believe the Matrix within a Matrix idea. [...]I figure all the machines are probably connected to the Matrix, so Neo could send a signal through the Matrix to the sentinels and stop them.

I believe that the "Real World" is just another security step, like some of the guys here said. I mean, another Matrix.

When I saw Neo stopping the sentinel I couldn´t believe it. It looked like crap for me. I didn´t want him having powers in the real world. It would brake the rules, I believed. But then, after the movie ended and I started to think about it I realized what a lot aof people realized: The real world wasn´t real. "Real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain", said Morpheus in the first Matrix. So nothing is real and the directors can play with that all they want.

And have you thought about the spoon the kid gave Neo? The kid said that one of the other kids gave him that and said Neo would understand it. To me, what that spoons means is that the "potential kid" realized that in the so called real world there wasn´t spoons. I mean, the spoons weren´t real in Zion, neither.
In the first movie the frase "There is no spoon" is said twice. Once by the potential and once by Neo. And I remember seen an interview to the Wachowsky in which they mentioned a lot this there-is-no-spoon thing. So I belive that is a very clear message: There is nothing real

[int 21h]

The Oracle was not the female counterpart that the Architect is talking about. The first time I thought she was... The fifth time, when finally not so many distracting people were in the theatre, I caught on that the Architect's reaction to Neo suggesting that it is the Oracle is pure disagreement, which leads us to Persephone. Who if you really think about, facilitated Neo's trip to the source.

[Solo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by duartix
[B]I can think at least of 4 more thought provoking :confused: :eek: :confused: :eek: movies just by David Lynch.

David Lynch was once asked how he comes up with such creative ideas
in his movies and he replied with "bullshit baffles brains" so I
don't ponder about his movies too much anymore.

Personally I find the idea of Neo being a product of the Matrix
hard to accept although it would explain a lot. Then again if an
entire season of Dallas was just a dream at one time then anythings
possible.

[Doobie]

Originally posted by epere4 And I remember seen an interview to the Wachowsky in which they mentioned a lot this there-is-no-spoon thing. So I belive that is a very clear message: There is nothing real [/B]

I'm absolutely certain that in the original movie, the "real world" was the real world. This was a stand-alone movie. Only after it became so popular was the decision made to make sequals. If the real world isn't real, it's just BS.

Solo has it right with "David Lynch was once asked how he comes up with such creative ideas in his movies and he replied with 'bullshit baffles brains.'"

I've said as much in this thread and another thread here on the Matrix. If they make the "real world" also part of the matrix, they're just BSers. Already, great damage has been done to the original movie because if they wanted Neo to survive to create a new Zion then the whole premise in the first movie of them trying to stop Neo is nonsense. They were just playing with Neo.

[adam]

Originally posted by Doobie
I'm absolutely certain that in the original movie, the "real world" was the real world. This was a stand-alone movie. Only after it became so popular was the decision made to make sequals. If the real world isn't real, it's just BS.

Whether or not the "real world" is really real or not is still on the table, but your reasoning is completely inaccurate.

The Matrix was never intended to be a stand alone movie. If you watch the Matrix Revisited (Behind the Scenes of Matrix Reloaded) the Wachowsky's mention numerous times that they had the concept of all three movies from the very beginning and that it was always meant to be a triology.

They actually wanted to film all three movies at the same time, but the studio wouldn't let them. After Matrix became so popular, that's when the studio increased their budget 10 fold and allowed them to film the last two installments simultaneously.

Whatever the explanation is for Neo's new powers, it was conceived of from the very beginning. It was not just an afterthought.

[Jazz]

Already, great damage has been done to the original movie because if they wanted Neo to survive to create a new Zion then the whole premise in the first movie of them trying to stop Neo is nonsense. They were just playing with Neo.

Not necessarily. The machines' control strategy could be something like this: First, we try as much as possible to contain and surpress rebellion in the Matrix. Then, for those rebel forces that become unmanageable (or close to), we build in an extra control mechanism - Zion. Finally we recognize that even then the pressure may run too high (in fact statistically speaking we're certain it will happen every once in a while - the anomaly), and then we have The One (The Singularity may have been a better term...) reboot the system. In other words: they may be able to stop Neo at control levels two or threee, but they'd much prefer doing it at level one.

Personally I expect to be OK with Zion being a second level matrix if the Revolutions plot adds value and expands from the idea. To me Reloaded expanded by saying "don't think you escape us so easily - we thought about opposition and we have ways of dealing with it". The only thing that I found vaguely disturbing about the Reloaded plot is that the protagonists went through a process stipulated by the machines with almost no sense of criticism or resistance. "See the Oracle => Go find the Keymaker => Be at door so-and-so at midnight." Thank goodness at the end Neo showed some spine and rejected the obvious choice at the Architect's. Other than that they were so busy running around following directions that they seemed very much subject to a control system to me.

Hmmm... Rereading the above I'm not sure I'm making myself very clear. It must be yet another "poor English" day...

[dTb]

Originally posted by int 21h
The Oracle was not the female counterpart that the Architect is talking about. The first time I thought she was... The fifth time, when finally not so many distracting people were in the theatre, I caught on that the Architect's reaction to Neo suggesting that it is the Oracle is pure disagreement, which leads us to Persephone. Who if you really think about, facilitated Neo's trip to the source.

Five times :eek:
You've brought up an interesting point though, the majority of people including me regard the Oracle as the 'mother' the architect refers to. I'm seeing the movie for a second time tonight so I'll keep and eye out for this.

@Jazz, don't worry it made sense to me. I think the reason the protagonists don't protest the directions they're given is because they've been fooled completely. Virtually their every action has been manipulated but it's not until neo meets the architect that he realises and I guess the most common response it to rebel against it. Are the machines expecting this is the big question imo, are their actions still being controlled?

[int 21h]

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The Matrix Reloaded: The IMAX Experience Opens in Select IMAX(R) Theatres on Friday, June 6th

Wednesday June 4, 8:03 am ET

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[ToiletDuck]

The Creation Hypothesis says: Physical space-time and its contents were created by beings outside physical space-time.



This is a familiar hypothesis. A version of it is believed by many people in our society, and perhaps by the majority of the people in the world. If one believes that God created the world, and if one believes that God is outside physical space-time, then one believes the Creation Hypothesis. One needn't believe in God to believe the Creation Hypothesis, though. Perhaps our world was created by a relatively ordinary being in the "next universe up", using the latest world-making technology in that universe. If so, the Creation Hypothesis is true.

i always thought this :)

[bilu]

@ToiletDuck

A main philosophycal problem is to know which of the references/dimensions in this universe are properties inherent to this universe or inherited from where (see? "where" is dimension talk again) our universe came from.

How can we describe something before the universe if no describable property was available before?


Sorry for getting OT.


Bilu

[((( atom )))]

the idea about a matrix "within" the matrix makes sense on the one hand. on the other hand, neo was capable to actually see through the illusion and see everything in "code". it would be a bit strange, if he couldn't see the code of the 2nd matrix, or?

[adam]

I don't know ((( atom ))) it seems logical enough to me. I mean you could look at the source code for dvd2avi and not see any of the source code for WinXP even though the former is being run on the latter. I guess you could think of the "first Matrix" as being just one of the programs being run by the "big Matrix."

[((( atom )))]

yeah, it could be either way.. i mean, the movie is not made like something sophisticated you can make out by thinking enough about it. total recall used to clear up after we discussed it a million times when we were small.. ;)

reloaded kinda reminds me to the x files..

above someone mentioned that its perhaps not the oracle that constructed the matrix.. if it is not the oracle i would tend to believe it must be trinity. this is not based on analyzing her behaviour but simply on the fact, that she is the only woman besides the oracle wich is around since the matrix was introduced. but actually... i believe it is the oracle and mister architect was only pissed to hear neo call her an oracle, wich is something that is so much against his way of seeing things..

[mf]

Originally posted by DAvenger
Thanks God we have our own real world ;) And it took only 6 days to boot it up :)
What if you interpret the "resting day" as the "bogomips measurement" ? That would mean the world took 7 days to boot up properly.

[ToiletDuck]

@ATOM: The whole thing about the matrix is that anyone can have powers once they "realize" they are in it. It wasn't till Neo was shown what he could do that he realized things. He has never second guessd the real world so maybe he just now realizing that he has his power's afterall. Also has anyone thought that the Architect might be human? That he is runnign the matrix so that human kind doesn't have to suffer from a crappy life in a crappy world? Because how else would the first matrix be a perfect world if the machines didn't know what perfect world was??/ Also in the animatrix it does mention, "Thus man became the architect".
Duck

[mf]

Originally posted by ToiletDuck
"Thus man became the architect".
Actually, it says "Thus man became the architect of his own demise", simply referring to how they were designing these robots which would eventually kill them. I think your association is a bit far-fetched.

[((( atom )))]

i think this thread is funny ;)

[duartix]

With so many great software developers running around in this forums, can any of these people please look at the source code of "The Matrix"
and settle this discussion?
:p

[Jazz]

They don't have the time. They are too busy coding their own open-source version.

[Wilbert]

Does anyone have any idea what it meant that the oracle gave Neo a red candy (was it a candy or a pillow) in the beginning (when they were at that square)?

[bilu]

maybe that's a pill for the second Matrix, and that's how he got to stop the sentinels...

Bilu

[Atamido]

I thought maybe it was something like that the second time that I watched it. But, the third time I decided that she was just being funny.

[((( atom )))]

she keeps feeding him drugs (remember the cookie?) and he is hallucinating all the time!

[bilu]

LOL

And so did Morpheus with the blue and red pills !!! :D :D :D


Great joke! LOL


Bilu

[Morbo]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/cx/uc/20030616/ga/ga030616.jpg

I think Jim Davis has been to see it.His strip lately shows it.

Cheers!